Will you still go to hell if you're saved and commit suicide?

[Aldebaran]

No, God clearly tells us through the prophet Ezekiel that the sinner will die only. We have the responsibility of meeping ourselves clean and free from sin no matter what the situation. If we are to be disciples then we are to be disciplined: a trait which has been lacking in the church and outside the church.

Does that mean I could still be sent to Hell after death because I committed a sin after being saved? In other words, if I accept Christ into my life and ask Him to forgive me of my sins, and then just before I die, I think a hateful thought toward someone just as my life is slipping away, am I no longer saved?

 

[Kenny'sID]

Really? Are you that demented? With that logic we can live in sin as that passage will automatically forgive us for every sin we are about to commit.

Nope that's just what you choose to get out of it because you need to discredit me as a form of defense for something you have no defense for.

I didn't bother with the rest of your post...maybe some other time once things have sunken in, and we can have a sensible, productive conversation. .

 

[ConvictionofGod]

What if the man was in severe pain and pretty much dead already from last stage cancer?

Then there are mental disorders that are just as painful but in different ways. See? it's just not that simple, especially when we throw in the fact God is certifiably strict/just, but he's compassionate as well, and understands there are extenuating circumstances better than us.

If our courts that God put in place, make exception for extenuating circumstance, how much more will the God that mandated such action/the rules?

no need to get into scenarios and play the "what if" game, I believe God's law must be followed in absolution, maybe I'm a zealot, but its what i feel God asks of us, in all the way, or not at all.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

What if the man was in severe pain and pretty much dead already from last stage cancer?

Then there are mental disorders that are just as painful but in different ways. See? it's just not that simple, especially when we throw in the fact God is certifiably strict/just, but he's compassionate as well, and understands there are extenuating circumstances better than us.

If our courts that God put in place, make exception for extenuating circumstance, how much more will the God that mandated such action/the rules?

God tells us to no show partiality to anyone as He does not. Sin is sin no matter who it is committed by. The important thing to remember is that we cannot truly know the heart of man as God can. And concerning murder God makes provision for those who commit man slaughter in the Book of Numbers. Though God knew that an accidental killing with no intent to do harm is an accident: He still judges it as murder and allows vengeance to be taken against the killer. The only way the killer escapes this is by fleeing to one of the sanctuary cities where he must stay until the high priest dies or else he will be killed. In conclusion murder is murder whether committed on purpose or on accident.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

no need to get into scenarios and play the "what if" game, I believe God's law must be followed in absolution, maybe I'm a zealot, but its what i feel God asks of us, in all the way, or not at all.

It's probably best if we leave him be as Paul advised us to leave from the profane babblings of cancerous worms who wish to squabble over words. The worms will be found in the lake of fire.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

A fool will rage against all wisdom as he considers himself wiser than seven men who can summon reason.

 

[Kenny'sID]

no need to get into scenarios and play the "what if" game, I believe God's law must be followed in absolution, maybe I'm a zealot, but its what i feel God asks of us, in all the way, or not at all.

It's not a game, they're real life scenarios and not just what if's, IOW, they really happen. But if those don't concern you and if the "fact" that they do concern God as I made clear, doesn't concern you, that's up to you.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Does that mean I could still be sent to Hell after death because I committed a sin after being saved? In other words, if I accept Christ into my life and ask Him to forgive me of my sins, and then just before I die, I think a hateful thought toward someone just as my life is slipping away, am I no longer saved?

Yes that is correct and what scripture preaches. Just read the book of Ezekiel and Revelation on who will be sent to the lake of fire: only the sinners who die in their sins.

 

[ConvictionofGod]

God tells us to no show partiality to anyone as He does not. Sun is sin no matter who it is committed by. The important thing to remember is that we cannot truly know the heart of man as God can. And concerning murder Go makes provision for those who commit man slaughter in the Book of Numbers. Though God knew that an accidental killing with no intent to do harm is an accident: He still judges it as murder and allows vengeance to be taken against the killer. The only way the kills escapes this is by fleeing to one I the sanctuary cities where he must stay until the high priest dies or else he will be killed. I'm conclusion murder is murder whether committed on purpose or on accident.

Because murder begins in the heart, if we hold murder, or even the intent to previously harm others in our heart, then consequently our heart is not beholden to God but rather sin. To contemplate suicide you replace god in your heart with sin, therefore even thinking about suicide is grounds for asking for forgiveness for you have invited weakness in your heart.

 

[Aldebaran]

Yes that is correct and what scripture preaches. Just read the book of Ezekiel and Revelation on who will be sent to the lake of fire: only the sinners who die in their sins.

But if Christ has forgiven us of our sins, then how would we still die in them? John 10:28-30 says:
“I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one."

Is it Eternal life if we can keep losing it and then have to regain it again?

Also from John 3:15-18 “The Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.”

This makes it sound like it's more about believing in Christ rather than never committing another sin afterwards.

 

[ConvictionofGod]

It's not a game, they're real life scenarios and not just what if's, IOW, they really happen. But if those don't concern you and if the "fact" that they do concern God as I made clear, doesn't concern you, that's up to you.

it is unfortunate however you must weigh in between pain of the flesh, and your devotion to God. i trust that holding God fully in thy heart, pain of the body will have a complete different feeling. i reference to the Pope who was shot and pulled the bullet out himself. miracles by God do occur.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

We know that we don't have eternal life now as we are still dying. Genesis and Revelation make it clear that only those who God allows to enter into the garden of Eden will have the right to eat from the Tree of Life and live forever. Jesus is our golden ticket into the Kingdom of Heaven: therefore it is possible to lose our ticket or have it voided and lose out on our reservation.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

But if Christ has forgiven us of our sins, then how would we still die in them? John 10:28-30 says:
“I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one."

Is it Eternal life if we can keep losing it and then have to regain it again?

Also from John 3:15-18 “The Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son.”

This makes it sound like it's more about believing in Christ rather than never committing another sin afterwards.

We know that we don't have eternal life now as we are still dying. Genesis and Revelation make it clear that only those who God allows to enter into the garden of Eden will have the right to eat from the Tree of Life and live forever. Jesus is our golden ticket into the Kingdom of Heaven: therefore it is possible to lose our ticket or have it voided and lose out on our reservation.

 

[Kenny'sID]

it is unfortunate however you must weigh in between pain of the flesh, and your devotion to God.

I'm sorry but you have show me anyway, you are not in touch with what devotion to God even is.

One thing for certain, this thread has made me appreciate the less small minded all the more.

 

[ConvictionofGod]

I'm sorry but you have show me anyway, you are not in touch with what devotion to God even is.

One thing for certain, this thread has made me appreciate the less small minded all the more.

very interesting self-certain attitude you have..

 

[Aldebaran]

We know that we don't have eternal life now as we are still dying. Genesis and Revelation make it clear that only those who God allows to enter into the garden of Eden will have the right to eat from the Tree of Life and live forever. Jesus is our golden ticket into the Kingdom of Heaven: therefore it is possible to lose our ticket or have it voided and lose out on our reservation.

You're calling Jesus a "Golden Ticket" as if He is something we can easily lose. However, from the first passage I quoted to you in post #50, Jesus says, "no one can snatch them out of my hand."
It sounds like Jesus isn't a "Golden Ticket" that we have in our hand and can accidently lose. From what Jesus Himself says, we are in His hand---and no one can snatch us out of it.

 

[RisenInJesus]

Yes that is correct and what scripture preaches. Just read the book of Ezekiel and Revelation on who will be sent to the lake of fire: only the sinners who die in their sins.

Ezekiel was written before Christ. Those who are born again and saved by Jesus Christ are covered by His blood and righteousness and do not die in their sins.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Ezekiel was written before Christ. Those who are born again and saved by Jesus Christ are covered by His blood and righteousness and do not die in their sins.

Then you'll have to explain the warning Jesus gives to believers in Revelation who continue in their sins.

 

[RisenInJesus]

We know that we don't have eternal life now as we are still dying. Genesis and Revelation make it clear that only those who God allows to enter into the garden of Eden will have the right to eat from the Tree of Life and live forever. Jesus is our golden ticket into the Kingdom of Heaven: therefore it is possible to lose our ticket or have it voided and lose out on our reservation.

He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life. 1 John 5:12-13

 

[GirdYourLoins]

Will you still go to hell if you're saved and commit suicide?

Why do you ask?