If So Certain of Alien life Why Send Signals?

[GeorgeJ]

You will not be included in these. But if you google it you will get an idea of how this is exploding... One question to ask is why is there so much activity in Antarctica and why did Admiral Byrd state that they encountered crafts, in Antarctica, that could navigate from pole to pole in an astonishing short amount of time.
Not only that but his "operation High Jump" was cut short and upon his return he gave a very confusing interview. Confusing yet very interesting.

The Truth About Admiral Byrd's "Bitter Reality" At Earth's End - The Gralien Report

 

[Armoured]

The question still is why are they frantically signaling where we are if they don't know what's out there?

Who do you think is "frantically signalling"?

We're blasting copious quantities of EM radiation into space in every direction and frequency with just our radio traffic. Beyond that, our atmosphere bears clear marks of our civilisation in it's very spectronomy. Any sufficiently advanced intelligence to do us any meaningful harm already knows we're here.

 

[JacksBratt]

They send signals because they don't know if there are aliens who are advanced or not.
Why would A God with the Power to create a whole Universe not have the power to create another advanced species around?

He obviously has the power to create anything He wants to. Thing is, He never mentioned that He did.

Do you think that He would create a civilization and not tell us, only to have it make contact with us? I find this very hard to believe.

 

[GeorgeJ]

Do you think that He would create a civilization and not tell us, only to have it make contact with us? I find this very hard to believe.

Considering that the bible was written by man, who has a finite knowledge of the universe (and still does in many aspects), I don't find this hard to believe at all; however, I'm not a proponent of the whole "alien conspiracy" or "aliens are among us" claptrap.

 

[JacksBratt]

The Truth About Admiral Byrd's "Bitter Reality" At Earth's End - The Gralien Report

I find it quite intriguing, all the things he talked about.

Here is the actual interview:

 

[JacksBratt]

Considering that the bible was written by man, who has a finite knowledge of the universe (and still does in many aspects), I don't find this hard to believe at all; however, I'm not a proponent of the whole "alien conspiracy" or "aliens are among us" claptrap.

The Bible was written my men, of finite knowledge, for sure. Yet it was inspired by an all knowing God who wanted us to know things that where beyond our knowledge or ability to know. It is God inspired, God breathed and penned by men. Far more than just a book of the thoughts of mere mortals.

 

[GeorgeJ]

The Bible was written my men, of finite knowledge, for sure. Yet it was inspired by an all knowing God who wanted us to know things that where beyond our knowledge or ability to know. It is God inspired, God breathed and penned by men. Far more than just a book of the thoughts of mere mortals.

Sorry, bud. Doesn't do it for me, especially since I don't believe in the whole "God breathed" aspect of it.

 

[Solomons Porch]

I find it quite intriguing, all the things he talked about.

Here is the actual interview:

Interesting video thank you for sharing

 

[JacksBratt]

Sorry, bud. Doesn't do it for me, especially since I don't believe in the whole "God breathed" aspect of it.

Well, that's too bad. Oh well......to each their own.

 

[JacksBratt]

Interesting video thank you for sharing

You're welcome.

 

[jayem]

Who do you think is "frantically signalling"?

We're blasting copious quantities of EM radiation into space in every direction and frequency with just our radio traffic. Beyond that, our atmosphere bears clear marks of our civilisation in it's very spectronomy. Any sufficiently advanced intelligence to do us any meaningful harm already knows we're here.

But it's only in the last 100+ years or so that the radio frequency emission from our planet has been so large. Meaning that any extraterrestrial civilization that could detect it now it would have to be 100 LY or less away. Are there any potentially life-friendly planets within 100 LY radius of Earth?

 

[Armoured]

But it's only in the last 100+ years or so that the radio frequency emission from our planet has been so large. Meaning that any extraterrestrial civilization that could detect it now it would have to be 100 LY or less away. Are there any potentially life-friendly planets within 100 LY radius of Earth?

Loads, we think. But weve been causing industrial changes to our atmosphere for even longer, so there ould be observers significantly further out that already know about us.

My point was that no one has to actively signal anything. We're already actively signalling to anything that cares to listen.

 

[Shemjaza]

Loads, we think. But weve been causing industrial changes to our atmosphere for even longer, so there ould be observers significantly further out that already know about us.

My point was that no one has to actively signal anything. We're already actively signalling to anything that cares to listen.

Even without magic like faster then light ships and internationalism travel and even without a desire to expand and colonise a civilisation that has harnessed its star and pulled apart its asteroids has the energy and resources to send probes to every corner of the galaxy.

Life on Earth has been flaunting it's existence with the oxygen atmosphere for billions of years. If there were an advanced aliens, they could have found us long before the first man walked.

I just never buy the scenario:
1) Conquer the galaxy
2) Find some primitive aliens
3) Flash around in the sky to get worshiped as gods
4) Teach them dark secrets like... piling up some rocks to make a cool triangle building
5) Vanish forever without a signal or relic of any significance anywhere in the galaxy

 

[Armoured]

Even without magic like faster then light ships and internationalism travel and even without a desire to expand and colonise a civilisation that has harnessed its star and pulled apart its asteroids has the energy and resources to send probes to every corner of the galaxy.

Life on Earth has been flaunting it's existence with the oxygen atmosphere for billions of years. If there were an advanced aliens, they could have found us long before the first man walked.

I just never buy the scenario:
1) Conquer the galaxy
2) Find some primitive aliens
3) Flash around in the sky to get worshiped as gods
4) Teach them dark secrets like... piling up some rocks to make a cool triangle building
5) Vanish forever without a signal or relic of any significance anywhere in the galaxy

I'm... not sure why this is a response to me?

 

[MadotsukiInTheNexus]

You make a well argued case up until this point where you seem to imply that, since the probability of hostile aliens is so low, there is no reason not to announce our presence with signals.

The probabilty of my house burning down is quite low, but I still buy insurance. The probability of winning the lottery is low, but I still buy the occassional ticket. If my house burns down civilisation continues unaffected. If I win the lottery, civilisation continues unaffected. If hostile aliens sterlise humanity, civilisation ends.

There are different levels to which something can be unlikely. You buy insurance for your house, because house fires are something that we know to be possible and that happens fairly often in the big scheme of things. I don't really play the lottery, but I would assume that you do because it's fun, since there's a chance you'll win a prize at the end of the day. A lot of people wouldn't if there were no prize but the grand prize, though. You may be the exception to the rule, but there's a reason why there aren't that many lotteries that offer nothing but the grand prize.

Technically, there could be an incredibly predatory or territorial civilization near where we live that's just lying in wait for us to make a mistake and send a signal to it. If there were, though, and it were actually capable of doing anything about it, the chance that it wouldn't have found us by now is low to a much greater extent than winning the lottery. Even ignoring the most extreme possibilities (like a civilization so advanced that it's figured out a way to get around what, by all accounts, seems to be a hard limit on how fast something can go), a civilization capable of sending something to destroy all life on Earth would have sent out probes to explore its surroundings very thoroughly by now. We would if we could just out of curiosity, and if a civilization capable of doing so were actually looking to wipe out any potential competitors, it stretches credulity to think that they wouldn't have done it by now. We'd be a lot more likely to be given away by a small probe hidden somewhere on one of the countless unexplored asteroids than by a signal we sent out ourselves.

 

[Shemjaza]

I'm... not sure why this is a response to me?

General kind of agreement with, and a comment on people who believe that aliens have already contacted us. Sorry, i didn't phrase it that well.

 

[Tanj]

You will not be included in these.

Well obviously if I was already included I wouldn't be asking to be included.

But if you google it

Oh, so you have no evidence at all to support your comments. How disappointing.

 

[Tanj]

But it's only in the last 100+ years or so that the radio frequency emission from our planet has been so large.

Actually it's worse than that. Analog signal might be interpretable by an alien race but digital is just so much static without an appropriate decoder, and most if not all of our traffic is digital now.

 

[Radrook]

Who do you think is "frantically signalling"?

We're blasting copious quantities of EM radiation into space in every direction and frequency with just our radio traffic. Beyond that, our atmosphere bears clear marks of our civilisation in it's very spectronomy. Any sufficiently advanced intelligence to do us any meaningful harm already knows we're here.

Since that is so then why go out of our way to send messages on how they can locate us on disks?
Voyager - The Golden Record

Obviously we do want to be found. Also notice that the ones finding the disk are expected to be technically sophisticated enough to decipher it and perhaps even respond or perhaps locate our position and pay us a visit.

 

[Radrook]

Ignoring, for a second, all of the responses about Native American rock art and demons.

There are a few different schools of thought on how common life is in the Universe, how frequently intelligence evolves, and how often intelligence survives for long enough to allow a species to even reach out to its neighbors through radio or any other sort of signal. On the one hand, you have the idea that life is totally unique, which is very unlikely. Not impossible, but unlikely. On the other, you have the idea that there are extremely advanced civilizations all over the place, which invites skepticism since...well, we haven't found any yet.

Between those two, you have a lot of more probable views. Maybe life is rarer than it would seem, because of some factor that we don't know about yet. Maybe it's fairly common for life to develop, but not for human-level intelligence to evolve (which is what I lean more heavily toward), and the civilizations that do exist are too few and far between to discover each other except serendipitously. After intelligence develops, maybe it's rare for it to really go anywhere, remaining at subsistence or near subsistence levels for the course of its entire existence.

Or, maybe it's common for intelligence to evolve, and then run itself right off of a bridge. Not a particularly optimistic standpoint, since we're driving about two hundred miles per hour right now over the metaphorical causeway.

It's impossible to be sure, without any evidence, which of those ideas is correct. What seems unlikely, though, is that there are a lot of extraterrestrial societies out there who are capable of practical interstellar travel and that we're going to accidentally contact them and have them show up to rain fire on our planet. It's a fun plot point in science fiction, but there's a good chance that it's not possible at all, and if it is then it seems likely that it's extremely rare for a society to reach the point of being able to do that. We'd know by now if we were absolutely surrounded by extraterrestrials with the ability and desire to colonize every planet within reach. Either we'd see evidence of their existence in the form of megastructures like Dyson Spheres, or we'd fail to see evidence because we would be dead. One of the two, probably the latter.

Most likely, we won't know one way or another whether we're alone in our fairly close neighborhood for a very long time. Sending out signals probably won't get a response in the near future, but it's also probably harmless.

So from your standpoint that "probably"" justifies taking the risk.