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proving evolution as just a "theory"

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No, on the contrary, I am providing a door way for evolution to prove its real and true worth, if and I mean if it is a valid theory.

On the contrary, you're strutting around, acting like you know everything when you know nothing. What does it say in the Bible? Oh yeah, Proverbs 16:18. "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall."
 
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You clearly do not understand how evolution works. AT ALL.
And caterpillars in to butterflies and tadpoles in to frogs isn't evolution, it's metamorphosis, a fact that you should have remembered from primary/elementary school science class!

Exactly so, that is why those supposed evidence for evolution of extinct species also fall within the category of metamorphosis and inherent adaptations within the same species and not evolution as in the case of cross species contamination. Do you understand?
 
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On the contrary, you're strutting around, acting like you know everything when you know nothing. What does it say in the Bible? Oh yeah, Proverbs 16:18. "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall."

You still sound religious to me.
 
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Exactly so, that is why those supposed evidence for evolution of extinct species also fall within the category of metamorphosis and inherent adaptations within the same species and not evolution as in the case of cross species contamination. Do you understand?

It's obvious you don't understand. Evolution doesn't occur within individuals, it occurs within populations.
 
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No, on the contrary, I am providing a door way for evolution to prove its real and true worth, if and I mean if it is a valid theory.

You're about a 150 years to late. Scientists have moved past trying to "prove its real and true worth". Nowadays it's an applied science.

Heck, there are even patents for biological applications based directly on the Theory of Evolution.
 
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Not sure what you mean by "cross contamination", considering that one of the means by which a new species can arise is via hybridization. That's how that species of lizard in which all of them are female came to be.

Hybridisation is not a process that happens overnight in the tug of war for one species to prevail over another. In this regard there would be many failed attempts that would lead to death, as in the case of neomorphs and eventually you would have gradual xenomorphing occuring where a species is seen to be winning out over a period of millions of millions of years. In the case of sea based becoming land based, we would expect numerous and I mean numerous morphing to occur because the inclination for the sea based is to copy its parent and yet the force of reckoning is the land based which begins a process of transmutation in the cross contamination of one species over another, until the land based wins out. It could be vice versa also.

So, I actually looked this one up. DNA doesn't have a Fibonnici pattern in it, it occurs in segments 21 angstroms wide by 34 angstroms long, and 21 and 34 happen to be numbers that can occur in the same Fibonnicci sequence. Given that DNA is the genetic material of all known living organisms, it'd be much more mysterious if these numbers weren't consistent between different species. In fact, the chemical properties of molecules demand the consistency.

There is no rule of a chemical property of molecules demanding consistency, when there is hybridisation occurring from one species to another. The pattern in the chaotic changing process are anything but consistent, they would be an unstable state, a tug of war, which would give evidence to countless patterns throughout the process. It is not about starting point and destination in an evolutionary process, rather it is about how you get there and the paths should be infinite in number and need to be proven by the infinite number of patterns connecting one to another. It would be like a murder mystery, because one species has just murdered another through dominance.

species is a label we assign to organisms, not an inherent property of them. Thus, the lines that define the distinctions between species have a level of subjectivity to them. As a result, despite the fact that the genetics of a population are always changing, one cannot pinpoint the exact moment when said population transitions from its "original species" to another.

Orangisms cannot be defined as species, because they are yet to take form and they do not have intellegence. The machinery in organisms are fully automated and not conscious and it would be no different to an engineering plant consisting of machinery. You would still need intellegence and a form to define what the species is. Therefore Evolutionists use wrong defintion of terms like organisms are species and adaptations are evolution.

due to shared ancestry, entirely alien DNA that didn't seem to be related to any other would be evidence AGAINST evolution. Heck, just by virtue of all living things having genetic material made of the same 4 base pairs, the degree of similarity between random DNA segments of equal length is 25% just by random chance. The fact that everything on this planet is more genetically similar to each other than that is part of why we conclude shared ancestry.

I fully am aware that the destined lifeform will still have a common ancestry. This is not what is being contended, rather the processes leading up to the intellegent lifeform , please highlight FORM, is anything but shared, it would be a transitioning process which should by rights highlight something else. That something else has not been given into evidence by Evolutionists. This something else would be so numerous, if we take evolution theory at its word that these failed DNA processes would yield variations straight out of science fiction movies, especially when they are happening slowly over millions of millions of years.
 
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Says the man who continually talks about a single intelligent creator behind everything which also created everything at once.

That is scientifically proven without faith my friend. All species must have existed simultaneously and had been incorporated a single embedded algorithm within them that allows them to adapt within their own kind/species. Cross species contamination is not science, but an assertion by Evolutionists that dogmatically insist that there is no single intelligent designer and that countless neomorphing to xenomorphing was occurring over millions of millions of years, in a tug of war of life, until one completely different species wins out over another. This by any defintion is ALIEN INSURRECTION and it smells of science fiction and therefore the Evolutionists are the science fiction army who religiously hold to their doctrines.

Obviously the insurrection is against the intelligent designer in this case. To believe that there is no intelligent designer in the vastly interconnected and detailed processes of life is a faith statement in itself.
 
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That is scientifically proven without faith my friend. All species must have existed simultaneously and had been incorporated a single embedded algorithm within them that allows them to adapt within their own kind/species. Cross species contamination is not science, but an assertion by Evolutionists that dogmatically insist that there is no single intelligent designer and that countless neomorphing to xenomorphing was occurring over millions of millions of years, in a tug of war of life, until one completely different species wins out over another. This by any defintion is ALIEN INSURRECTION and it smells of science fiction and therefore the Evolutionists are the science fiction army who religiously hold to their doctrines.

Obviously the insurrection is against the intelligent designer in this case. To believe that there is no intelligent designer in the vastly interconnected and detailed processes of life is a faith statement in itself.

Except you are wrong.
 
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You're about a 150 years to late. Scientists have moved past trying to "prove its real and true worth". Nowadays it's an applied science.

Heck, there are even patents for biological applications based directly on the Theory of Evolution.

Applied science you said?

So we should see some really nasty hybridisation stuff coming out in the not too distant future.

To push the envelope of life, is to self destruct in the process. A wise man sees what trouble comes from afar, yet an unwise looks down and sees a ray of sun shine before the storm.

We shall see what follows from those mingling in hybridisation of species.

What do you think?
Death or Life
 
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1. fossils are rare and fragile; the vast majority of organisms that die never become fossils, and plenty that do end up breaking apart long before we have a chance to discover them.
2. the worst of the worst mutations result in death before birth/hatching, and those don't end up fossilizing either.
3. we have found fossils of sick organisms before.


Sure, you will find the product of hybridisation in vast majority of organisms which are NOT species, yet what is missing?

The smoking gun, that is the infinite transmutated species themselves. If they can find a vast majority of organisms which are small, why can they not find the larger transmutated species fossils. Something smells fishy to me my friend.
 
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Not taught at school, but we learn from the people around us from a very young age.

Sure, but after we have become independent learners we can formulate our own findings without needing to plagrise others.
 
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Problem is when we invent terms and use language that no one else understands it's difficult to get your "ideas" across.

But when they do understand and they acknowledge that they do, then we have a common language to speak in dialogue, otherwise we lie when we continue to say that we do not understand.
 
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False, since God's Truth agrees in every way with every discovery of science and history.

Yes, I agree. That all species were created simultaneously, without any cross hybridisation.

Adam's Earth was Flat. Put dry ground on top of water and you too will have a model of Adam's Earth, which was "clean dissolved" in the flood. Isa 24:19

Ok, sounds religious to me, but good for you!

How bout me, since I support what I post with the AGREEMENT of Scripture, science and history? You seem to have a problem with your interpretation of Genesis. Amen?

I have a problem!

God said that he created everything perfect the first time and you say that I have a problem with the interpretation of the Genesis account.

I have to say, that you are entitled to your interpretation and will leave it at that. Thanks.
 
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Yes, BUT it hasn't happened yet. How could a perfect God look upon the 20k children who will die of starvation and disease in the next 24 hours and say, It is very good? The perfect God, who sees the end from the beginning Isa 46:10 will NOT say, It is very good, until it is perfect, at the end of the present 6th Day/Age. Amen?


So are you saying that it is his fault?

Well, I see it as proof that creation is de-volving and not evolving because of the fall, due to the rebelliousness by man against the one intelligent Creator. We witness this all the time, especially in these threads. How many times can man choose to deny God and still get away with it?

Once, twice, a thousand times, or maybe billions of billions of times. Somehow there must be a cutoff point, where God has to allow the fall to take its course and for the insurrection to pick up pace like never before, until he begins to give back all those things that have been given to him, by the rebellious ones who had anticipated no recourse. Ha! I can't bear to watch!
 
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God said that he created everything perfect the first time and you say that I have a problem with the interpretation of the Genesis account.

Chapter and verse please since there was darkness or death upon the air, dust and water God created in the beginning. Gen 1:1-2 The question is WHEN did God make His Creation perfect?
 
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So are you saying that it is his fault?

No, I am saying that the prophecy of Genesis 1:28-31 has NOT happened, yet. It won't happen until the end of the present 6th Day/Age in the 7 Day creation of the perfect Heaven. Since the end of the creation is future, God's rest from ALL of His work of creating is also future. Gen 2:1-3 God will NOT rest/cease creating until then. Amen?
 
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