Good Thoughts From Tolkien on Monogamy

[HereIStand]

This is good discussion of monogamy, gender differences, and true self-fulfillment.

 

[Nithavela]

As far as I remember, the elves in his lord of the rings universe tend to sleep around in their youth and then settle down once they get it out of their system.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

As far as I remember, the elves in his lord of the rings universe tend to sleep around in their youth and then settle down once they get it out of their system.

No....that's ElfQuest.

 

[Nithavela]

No....that's ElfQuest.

Never heard of that.

Anyway, it's not really important what Tolkien thinks on this matter.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Never heard of that.

Anyway, it's not really important what Tolkien thinks on this matter.

On a serious note, is that something that Tolkien's elves are supposedly known for? Is that from the Silmarillion?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

This is good discussion of monogamy, gender differences, and true self-fulfillment.

I know that I've appreciated the literary allusions attached to Gandalf, and the striking friendship of someone like Samwise. In my own life, I don't think I've met anyone like either one of these two characters. Although, it seems to me that my wife thinks she is something like Galadriel. Well, I guess she is...

 

[Wolfe]

Anyway, it's not really important what Tolkien thinks on this matter.

On that same note then, it doesn't matter what anybody thinks, and everybody should just shut up about it and never speak of it again.

This applies to everything of course, ever single crime then, is opinion and does not matter what someone says about it, to take it to such an extreme.

 

[archer75]

As far as I remember, the elves in his lord of the rings universe tend to sleep around in their youth and then settle down once they get it out of their system.

I don't recall this. Could you cite something?

 

[Nithavela]

On that same note then, it doesn't matter what anybody thinks, and everybody should just shut up about it and never speak of it again.

This applies to everything of course, ever single crime then, is opinion and does not matter what someone says about it, to take it to such an extreme.

Nonsense.

 

[Nithavela]

I don't recall this. Could you cite something?

Can't find it either, I might have misremembered or my source might have been wrong.

 

[Wolfe]

Nonsense.

I'm glad you agree.

 

[Nithavela]

I'm glad you agree.

Just because you made a faulty argument doesn't mean that my argument is faulty.

 

[Wolfe]

Just because you made a faulty argument doesn't mean that my argument is faulty.

I pointed out how your argument was faulty, if what someone who disagrees with you says is not important then nothing anybody says is important.

 

[PreviouslySeeking...]

When did Tolkien become an expert on women and female sexuality? The last time I checked, women are unfaithful nearly as often as men. Women are hardly more inclined towards monogamy at a significant rate. It is also disturbing that anyone would suggest that women withholding sex could/should result in men bettering themselves in order to "earn"sex.

Blech, glad I'm married.

 

[archer75]

When did Tolkien become an expert on women and female sexuality? The last time I checked, women are unfaithful nearly as often as men. Women are hardly more inclined towards monogamy at a significant rate. It is also disturbing that anyone would suggest that women withholding sex could/should result in men bettering themselves in order to "earn"sex.

Blech, glad I'm married.

Indeed, although I like Tolkien, I'm not aware of how his comments line up with reality. Women are perfectly capable of being unfaithful.

I agree that the notion of "earning sex" is disturbing, but I have had to get used to it, since it's very common.

 

[PreviouslySeeking...]

Indeed, although I like Tolkien, I'm not aware of how his comments line up with reality. Women are perfectly capable of being unfaithful.

I agree that the notion of "earning sex" is disturbing, but I have had to get used to it, since it's very common.

The problem with jumping through hoops to earn sex leaves you with men who believe they are owed it.

Women devalue themselves whenever they approach sex at extremes. Sex isn't nothing, and it isn't everything.

 

[Nithavela]

I pointed out how your argument was faulty, if what someone who disagrees with you says is not important then nothing anybody says is important.

That is not what I said.

 

[archer75]

The problem with jumping through hoops to earn sex leaves you with men who believe they are owed it.

Women devalue themselves whenever they approach sex at extremes. Sex isn't nothing, and it isn't everything.

Another problem with it is that it means every marriage (or other sexual relationship) is just prostitution, which no one seems to think about when they promote this idea.

 

[Nithavela]

Also, why should women who desire sex make men jump through those hoops if they don't want to? Just so that the men stay virtuous?

That's just another flavor of telling women to dress modestly so that they don't tempt men.

 

[HereIStand]

When did Tolkien become an expert on women and female sexuality? The last time I checked, women are unfaithful nearly as often as men. Women are hardly more inclined towards monogamy at a significant rate. It is also disturbing that anyone would suggest that women withholding sex could/should result in men bettering themselves in order to "earn"sex.

Blech, glad I'm married.

I don't know that he was expert. He was writing a letter.

His opinions ring true for me. Women do stray. They're more likely to be lured away by a "good listener." Men are lured by physical attraction, not necessarily connected to communication.