proving evolution as just a "theory"

[MrAnderson9]

How do you know that? You're making sweeping metaphysical claims as if they were self-evident. They're not.

How do I know that everything in existence requires defining? What exists .. but doesn't exist in our physical world? There's nothing "sweeping" about that.. Everything requires a definition..

 

[MrAnderson9]

How do I know that everything in existence requires defining? What exists .. but doesn't exist in our physical world? There's nothing "sweeping" about that.. Everything requires a definition..

To further elaborate to make it as easy to understand as possible.. imagine creating a video game from nothing. Everything in this video game must have code behind it.. every action must have code behind it.. In order for anything to be... it has to be predefined by the developer of the game.

 

[Kylie]

Why does everyone think that evolution and God can't go together? Evolution is a process that needs direction. The direction comes from God.

Evolution is undirected. There is no "end goal" that evolution is striving for. Evolution simply works to make life forms as well adapted for their environment as possible.

 

[Kylie]

But you have to understand the process you describe above requires defining.. it requires definition like every other thing in existence. Without a defining standard of interaction.. nothing would exist in the physical world. There is a definition behind every object.. every process .. everything that requires a hard coded definition of how it will interact in the physical world. This hard coded definition comes from GOD .. also known as the "Creative Process responsible for Everything".

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

 

[MrAnderson9]

Evolution is undirected. There is no "end goal" that evolution is striving for. Evolution simply works to make life forms as well adapted for their environment as possible.

Evolution is very directed. What determines the evolution required for adaption? Why makes a caterpillar turn into a butterfly? All of this is directed. The formula for everything is predetermined.

 

[MrAnderson9]

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

I tried to break it down as simple as I thought necessary.. but I'll try to make it even simpler. You have object A and Object B. Each Object has a specific interaction with each other. That interaction had to be defined prior to either objects existence.

Water puts out fire.. why? Says who? Who says that the interaction between water and fire happens the way it does? Where did this definition come from? God.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I tried to break it down as simple as I thought necessary.. but I'll try to make it even simpler. You have object A and Object B. Each Object has a specific interaction with each other. That interaction had to be defined prior to either objects existence.

Why?

 

[MrAnderson9]

Why?

Because we exist in a physical world where interaction between objects has to be predefined or else nothing would work. Science wouldn't work.. logic wouldn't work.. nothing would work.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

To further elaborate to make it as easy to understand as possible.. imagine creating a video game from nothing. Everything in this video game must have code behind it.. every action must have code behind it.. In order for anything to be... it has to be predefined by the developer of the game.

That would mean that any bugs or unexpected behavior are pre-defined.

 

[MrAnderson9]

That would mean that any bugs or unexpected behavior are pre-defined.

Yes.. you get it.. pre-defined.. accidently.. but logically explained.. Fixes are the correction.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Because we exist in a physical world where interaction between objects has to be predefined or else nothing would work. Science wouldn't work.. logic wouldn't work.. nothing would work.

There are laws of physics which explain how objects interact You appear to be arguing for something more than that.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Yes.. you get it.. pre-defined.. accidently.. but logically explained.. Fixes are the correction.

Sorry, I missed an important point. You said they're predefined by the developer" That would mean they are not there accidentally but intentionally. Which means they are not a bug or unintentional behavior. But our experience tells us this is not the case. So your logic fails.

 

[MrAnderson9]

There are laws of physics which explain how objects interact You appear to be arguing for something more than that.

I am arguing that the "laws" were established by an "Intelligent Designer". You seem to be implying that the laws existed on their own or created themselves.

In order to understand what "something" is.. you have to understand what "nothing" is. Nothing is the absence of everything. No objects.. and no laws.. to define the interaction between the objects. Just as the objects require creation.. the laws governing interaction in the physical world (definition)... require creation as well.

 

[AV1611VET]

Sorry, I missed an important point. You said they're predefined by the developer" That would mean they are not there accidentally but intentionally. Which means they are not a bug or unintentional behavior. But our experience tells us this is not the case. So your logic fails.

I think his point is that God carefully designed things to work just a certain way.

Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Take his example: water.

Water consists of H2O.

H ignites on contact with fire.
O ignites on contact with fire.

But put the two together and they put fire out.

 

[MrAnderson9]

Sorry, I missed an important point. You said they're predefined by the developer" That would mean they are not there accidentally but intentionally. Which means they are not a bug or unintentional behavior. But our experience tells us this is not the case. So your logic fails.

Your inability to understand doesn't mean my logic fails .. just means you're not capable of understanding at this level.

The developer made a mistake.. but the mistake doesn't change absolute logic. It only changes the outcome the developer was looking for... we are humans.. we don't technically "create" .. we manipulate/discover things that God has already pre defined.

For example.. there is a person that exists that can only be brought into this physical world via 2 specific people procreating. There are people that will never be brought into the physical world because their code for existence requires people that will never mate or people that are already dead.

 

[MrAnderson9]

I think his point is that God carefully designed things to work just a certain way.

Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Take his example: water.

Water consists of H2O.

H ignites on contact with fire.
O ignites on contact with fire.

But put the two together and they put fire out.

Exactly! : )

 

[pitabread]

Just as the objects require creation.. the laws governing interaction in the physical world (definition)... require creation as well.

Why?

 

[pitabread]

H ignites on contact with fire.
O ignites on contact with fire.

But put the two together and they put fire out.

Just don't try that with a grease fire.

 

[MrAnderson9]

Why?

Because logic exists. Because science exists. ... and most importantly.. because we can THINK. without structure.. there is no thought. There is no reason to have a mind if everything just does anything.

: )

 

[AV1611VET]

Just don't try that with a grease fire.

Correct.

That's excellent advice.

There are four classes of fire: A, B, C, and D.