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What Jesus is saying here is that following him is a total commitment of your life, it is not just a momentary fad, but a lifetime commitment. The persons father in the parable was not dead so what he was saying was after all my Earthly attachments are gone I will follow you, but that was unacceptable to Jesus. You could look at it this way " let the lost bury the lost"
 
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When Jesus was dragged before the high priest and the “elders’ it is quite unlikely that there was any kind of formal trial at this time. To begin with there was no substantive religious charge that could be brought against him. It was not blasphemy to claim to be the "messiah" or a "son of God". If there was a blasphemy, a trial before the Sanhedrin would have brought that out and a sentence of death by stoning could have been brought down. The Sanhedrin did not lose the right to impose the death penalty until the year AD 39. The execution would have to be ratified by the Roman governor. This was just a rubber stamp procedure, after all what did the Romans care about Jews stoning one of their own to death for some obscure religious crime?

We also must take into account the nature of the Sanhedrin itself. It was a very dignified body of seventy elders somewhat in the nature of a supreme court. The high priest chaired but did not control the Sanhedrin, the majority of whose members were Pharisees. The Pharisees opposed the high priest at just about every turn. The high priest was in fact perhaps the most hated man in Judea. Under Roman administration, the high priest was personally appointed by the Roman governor. Caiaphas was the personal choice of Roman procurator Valerius Gratus. The Pharisees regarded Caiaphas as a collaborator and a traitor. The Sanhedrin was not likely to respond to a sudden midnight summons from the high priest. As a matter of fact, it was explicitly forbidden for the Sanhedrin to meet at night or on a religious holiday. They were also not to meet in any place but the Chamber of Hewn Stone on Temple Mount.

You might recall from the Acts of the Apostles that Peter and some of the disciples were actually charged with blasphemy and brought to trial before the Sanhedrin. They were dismissed after being defended by Rabbi Gamaliel who was himself a member of the Sanhedrin and a prominent Pharisee. If Jesus appeared before the high priest at all it was simply to be remanded over to Pontius Pilate. The Romans wanted him for a lot more than disturbing the peace in the temple. They wanted him for sedition and treason.

I am also convinced that the trial before Pilate was a foregone conclusion... a trial in name only. The Bible, however, portrays Pontius Pilate as a reasonable person, a gentleman who thought Jesus was innocent, albeit a little deluded. We also get the impression that Pilate is somewhat of a wimp in that he allows himself to be manipulated by the high priest and elders into executing Jesus.

In truth this portrayal of Pilate is far from factual. He was an ambitious, greedy and brutal man. He once ordered his troops into the temple to loot the treasury. It must be noted that he was not the first nor the last Roman governor to do this. This serves to indicate just how much he was swayed by the opinions or threats of the elders or the high priest who was after all his personal appointee. He was also responsible for the suppression of a number of rebellions at great loss of life. His main objective during his tenure of office seems to have been to be to see just how much he could get away with in offending Jewish religious sensibilities. He was eventually dismissed from office by the emperor for "causing an unnecessary massacre". I suppose that this by way of contrast to all the necessary massacres he was responsible for. Are these the marks of a wimp? of a reasonable man? Certainly not! The trial of Jesus, if there was one, was in name only. Jesus had challenged Roman political authority...Jesus must die.

I choose to believe what that Bible says about the subject not some godless historian trying to sale a book about his opinions.
 
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Jesus was a total radical. Probably wouldn't be happy with the state of Christianity today seeing that it is so wrapped up in the world's affairs. My guess is if old JC walked into one of 'His' houses today, he would most likely be thrown out or arrested.
 
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What Jesus is saying here is that following him is a total commitment of your life, it is not just a momentary fad, but a lifetime commitment. The persons father in the parable was not dead so what he was saying was after all my Earthly attachments are gone I will follow you, but that was unacceptable to Jesus. You could look at it this way " let the lost bury the lost"

Well, we know that thoughts come and thoughts go,
unless we grab hold of one.

This is what happened last evening when I started this thread,
for some reason, totally uninvited, the thought came that perhaps there is much more to the story.
 
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I choose to believe what that Bible says about the subject not some godless historian trying to sale a book about his opinions.

To best understand what the Bible says it is wise to understand the full context. That context includes history, religious understandings, societal attitudes, etc., etc.
 
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I choose to believe what that Bible says about the subject not some godless historian trying to sale a book about his opinions.

According to the story, three men, wise, kings or astrologers,
I think astrologers,
because they had followed a star,
What was the reaction of Herodes to this?

It is very similar to at the birth of Abram,
The night before Abram was born,

Nimrods astrologers were gathered in Terahs house,
looking into the night sky,

they read in the constellation of stars that the newly born child was to become the chief
and the father of a mighty nation.

Nimrod became afraid that the new star would darken his own.

Thereafter Nimrod wanted the child dead.

Similar to Herodes,

So, there is more to it.
 
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To best understand what the Bible says it is wise to understand the full context. That context includes history, religious understandings, societal attitudes, etc., etc.

I understand context, I happen to be a historian and Theologian by profession I also recognize the attempt to change the context to further an agenda. Changing what the Bible teaches to make it more acceptable to a modern political correctness agenda is unacceptable to true Bible believers.
 
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According to the story, three men, wise, kings or astrologers,
I think astrologers,
because they had followed a star,
What was the reaction of Herodes to this?

It is very similar to at the birth of Abram,
The night before Abram was born,

Nimrods astrologers were gathered in Terahs house,
looking into the night sky,

they read in the constellation of stars that the newly born child was to become the chief
and the father of a mighty nation.

Nimrod became afraid that the new star would darken his own.

Thereafter Nimrod wanted the child dead.

Similar to Herodes,

So, there is more to it.

Where do you find this story at?
 
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According to the story, three men, wise, kings or astrologers,
I think astrologers,
because they had followed a star,
What was the reaction of Herodes to this?

It is very similar to at the birth of Abram,
The night before Abram was born,

Nimrods astrologers were gathered in Terahs house,
looking into the night sky,

they read in the constellation of stars that the newly born child was to become the chief
and the father of a mighty nation.

Nimrod became afraid that the new star would darken his own.

Thereafter Nimrod wanted the child dead.

Similar to Herodes,

So, there is more to it.

Nimrod and Abram did not live in the same time line.
 
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it comes from,
Our people, a history of the Jews,

The life of our forefather Abraham.

Publishen and coyrighted by
Kehot publlication society.

I noticed that it was not in the Old Testament or the Jewish Bible.
 
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"Follow me and let the dead bury their dead."

What do you make of it?
I've been wondering if the person who wanted to go home to bury his father had actually wanted to go home to claim a share of his father's inheritance? Jesus is telling this person to let others squabble over the inheritance? (I believe Jewish burials happen within 24 hours so this person could not have hoped to return home in time to participate in the actual burial? I suppose it is possible that Jesus was visiting the town where the father's death occurred, but I always imagined that it was some distance away.)
 
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^ I suppose another possible explanation of "let the dead bury their own dead" is that the followers of Jesus might have been a type of Essenes. The Essenes consisted of middle-aged men (and sometimes women) who usually renounced their ties to their previous family life and donated all their money to the sect for common use. This would also explain the similar story of a rich man who was reluctant to follow Jesus because Jesus said he must give away all his money first.
 
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I've been wondering if the person who wanted to go home to bury his father had actually wanted to go home to claim a share of his father's inheritance? Jesus is telling this person to let others squabble over the inheritance? (I believe Jewish burials happen within 24 hours so this person could not have hoped to return home in time to participate in the actual burial? I suppose it is possible that Jesus was visiting the town where the father's death occurred, but I always imagined that it was some distance away.)

That is a possibility,

I checked out paralell verses and they were about money and belongings.
 
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