Was Jesus the God of the Old Testament?

[Neostarwcc]

I believe he was, and is the God Yahweh, and the God from Genesis and all of the other OT. Why? Several reasons. For one, scripture says so. John 1:1-3, John 1:18, John 5:37, John 6:46 states:

John 1:1-3,

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.


John 1:18,

"No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known."

John 5:37,

"And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form,"

John 6:46,

"No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father."


So we learn from these four verses that Jesus is God, who was always with God the Father, and he created everything we see along with the Father. We also learn that nobody has ever seen God except for Jesus. Even Jesus himself states that nobody has seen God the Father but him. But wait! Adam and Eve saw God! Isaiah saw God! Ezekiel saw God! Countless people of the OT saw God! So, either Jesus is lying or Jesus is stating that he is the mighty Yahweh, the God of the Old Testament that created the heavens and the Earth and all we see around us. The Jews knew what Jesus was saying when he stated these things along with when he said in John 8:58:

John 8:58,

"Before Abraham was born, I am!"

To which the Jews tried to stone him for because God called himself "I am" in Exodus 3:14.

Exodus 3:14

"God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

So what do you think? Was Jesus the God of the Old Testament? Or was Jesus just plain a God along with the Father and God the Father is the God of the OT? Tell me what you think. I'm curious.

 

[SkyWriting]

So what do you think? Was Jesus the God of the Old Testament? Or was Jesus just plain a God along with the Father and God the Father is the God of the OT? Tell me what you think. I'm curious.

There is no comparable parallel in humanity to describe the facets of the Trinity.
I could say "The Trinity is like....such and such."
But it's not.

 

[brinny]

I was going to mention John 1:1-3 as well.

 

[Neostarwcc]

I was going to mention John 1:1-3 as well.

There's probably other evidence contained in other parts of the NT besides the Gospel of John. But, I figured the Gospel of John would be good at proving my point.

 

[Living Soul]

Respectfully, one question I've always had about the Holy Trinity is, why did God use anger, war, and violence to solve problems in the OT and then use love, compassion, and healing in the NT to solve problems?

 

[brinny]

There's probably other evidence contained in other parts of the NT besides the Gospel of John. But, I figured the Gospel of John would be good at proving my point.

I agree. It's quite profound in that it's going all the way back to the "beginning" (Genesis) and before that.

 

[Tsquared]

I believe he was, and is the God Yahweh, and the God from Genesis and all of the other OT. Why? Several reasons. For one, scripture says so. John 1:1-3, John 1:18, John 5:37, John 6:46 states:

John 1:1-3,

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.


John 1:18,

"No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known."

John 5:37,

"And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form,"

John 6:46,

"No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father."


So we learn from these four verses that Jesus is God, who was always with God the Father, and he created everything we see along with the Father. We also learn that nobody has ever seen God except for Jesus. Even Jesus himself states that nobody has seen God the Father but him. But wait! Adam and Eve saw God! Isaiah saw God! Ezekiel saw God! Countless people of the OT saw God! So, either Jesus is lying or Jesus is stating that he is the mighty Yahweh, the God of the Old Testament that created the heavens and the Earth and all we see around us. The Jews knew what Jesus was saying when he stated these things along with when he said in John 8:58:

John 8:58,

"Before Abraham was born, I am!"

To which the Jews tried to stone him for because God called himself "I am" in Exodus 3:14.

Exodus 3:14

"God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

So what do you think? Was Jesus the God of the Old Testament? Or was Jesus just plain a God along with the Father and God the Father is the God of the OT? Tell me what you think. I'm curious.

I couldn't agree with you more! God bless

 

[Dkh587]

There are 3 beings called God/YHWH in the Tanach, commonly called Old Testament

The Most High YAH(The Father)
The Angel of YAH(The Word)
The Spirit of YAH(the Holy Spirit)

 

[brinny]

Respectfully, one question I've always had about the Holy Trinity is, why did God use anger, war, and violence to solve problems in the OT and then use love, compassion, and healing in the NT to solve problems?

From reading the Old Testament, have you read about times that He showed compassion and grace?

 

[brinny]

There are 3 beings called God/YHWH in the Tanach, commonly called Old Testament

The Most High YAH(The Father)
The Angel of YAH(The Word)
The Spirit of YAH(the Holy Spirit)

Would you be so kind as to post those verses from the Tanach?

Thank you kindly.

 

[Neostarwcc]

Respectfully, one question I've always had about the Holy Trinity is, why did God use anger, war, and violence to solve problems in the OT and then
use love, compassion, and healing in the NT to solve problems?

That's a really good question and one that I wondered when I first came across this. If Jesus was really the God of the OT why did he show so much anger and vengeance in the OT and then in the NT come down as a God of love and grace? It's true, in the NT he said and did some things out of righteous anger but for the most part he was a God of love. I still cannot answer this and it ponders me so if somebody can answer it I'd like to know the reason too.

From reading the Old Testament, have you read about times that He showed compassion and grace?

I haven't read the OT all the way through so I don't know. From what I've read in the OT though most of the stuff he did was wrathful. Like when Lots wife got turned into a pillar of salt and like when God killed all the male babies in Exodus.

 

[Baby Cottontail]

I believe he was, and is the God Yahweh, and the God from Genesis and all of the other OT. Why? Several reasons. For one, scripture says so. John 1:1-3, John 1:18, John 5:37, John 6:46 states:

John 1:1-3,

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.


John 1:18,

"No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known."

John 5:37,

"And the Father who sent me has himself testified concerning me. You have never heard his voice nor seen his form,"

John 6:46,

"No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father."


So we learn from these four verses that Jesus is God, who was always with God the Father, and he created everything we see along with the Father. We also learn that nobody has ever seen God except for Jesus. Even Jesus himself states that nobody has seen God the Father but him. But wait! Adam and Eve saw God! Isaiah saw God! Ezekiel saw God! Countless people of the OT saw God! So, either Jesus is lying or Jesus is stating that he is the mighty Yahweh, the God of the Old Testament that created the heavens and the Earth and all we see around us. The Jews knew what Jesus was saying when he stated these things along with when he said in John 8:58:

John 8:58,

"Before Abraham was born, I am!"

To which the Jews tried to stone him for because God called himself "I am" in Exodus 3:14.

Exodus 3:14

"God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

So what do you think? Was Jesus the God of the Old Testament? Or was Jesus just plain a God along with the Father and God the Father is the God of the OT? Tell me what you think. I'm curious.

Yes -- Jesus is YHWH along with the Father and the Holy Spirit. All three Persons are the one God, YHWH.

 

[Baby Cottontail]

There are 3 beings called God/YHWH in the Tanach, commonly called Old Testament

The Most High YAH(The Father)
The Angel of YAH(The Word)
The Spirit of YAH(the Holy Spirit)

I'd revise the wording and say that there are three Persons, not three Beings.

 

[brinny]

That's a really good question and one that I wondered when I first came across this. If Jesus was really the God of the OT why did he show so much anger and vengeance in the OT and then in the NT come down as a God of love and grace? It's true, in the NT he said and did some things out of righteous anger but for the most part he was a God of love. I still cannot answer this and it ponders me so if somebody can answer it I'd like to know the reason too.



I haven't read the OT all the way through so I don't know. From what I've read in the OT though most of the stuff he did was wrathful.

Thus why it is crucial to read it.

He showed grace again and again and again and yet again to not only the Israelites when they repented but to others as well. In addition, He, from the very beginning, had determined to do as John 3:16 says.

 

[Neostarwcc]

Thus why it is crucial to read it.

He showed grace again and again and again and yet again to not only the Israelites when they repented but to others as well. In addition, He, from the very beginning, had determined to do as John 3:16 says.

Didn't he give the Isrealities the promised land too? That's a show of grace. Or will he being doing that at his second coming?

 

[brinny]

Didn't he give the Isrealities the promised land too? That's a show of grace. Or will he being doing that at his second coming?

He gave it to the Israelites. Parting the Red Sea after freeing them from bondage/slavery is merciful and gracious as well. Showing mercy and grace to Rahab the harlot who helped the Israeli spies was gracious as well, as well as providing for Naomi and embracing Ruth a non-Israelite, who was the descendant of David and then Christ Himself was gracious as well.

There's also that stellar verse where God invites all who are willing to come and reason together with him. This is in the Old Testament.

For anyone who wants to get a glimpse of God's heart, read Isaiah 54.

 

[RaymondG]

Yes, God is the same yesterday, today and forever more..... I Am the Lord, I Change not. God is not a Man, that he should lie.....

 

[Neostarwcc]

He gave it to the Israelites. Parting the Red Sea after freeing them from bondage/slavery is merciful and gracious as well. Showing mercy and grace to Rahab the harlot who helped the Israeli spies was gracious as well, as well as providing for Naomi and embracing Ruth a non-Israelite, who was the descendant of David and then Christ Himself was gracious as well.

There's also that stellar verse where God invites all who are willing to come and reason together with him. This is in the Old Testament.

For anyone who wants to get a glimpse of God's heart, read Isaiah 54.

So Jesus is the same God (A God of wrath and mercy) in both the OT and the NT. Because, in the NT he said and did some things that were wrathful too. Like for example, when he overturned all of the tables in the temple because people were turning a place of worship into basically a market. Thanks for answering the question I think that question is answered now.

 

[Christie insb]

There is no comparable parallel in humanity to describe the facets of the Trinity.
I could say "The Trinity is like....such and such."
But it's not.

Exactly. Any comparison is heresy. I like leaving it like that. Contemplating this Mystery gives me great joy.

 

[brinny]

So Jesus is the same God (A God of wrath and mercy) in both the OT and the NT. Because, in the NT he said and did some things that were wrathful too. Like for example, when he overturned all of the tables in the temple because people were turning a place of worship into basically a market. Thanks for answering the question I think that question is answered now.

Yes. There is a holy wrath, which means wrath, without sinning. As Jesus Himself demonstrated, "anger/wrath" is not necessarily "sinful". Therefore God's wrath and judgment isn't sinful. It's a holy wrath and judgment. There is also grace, and Jesus Christ's sacrifice is the epitome of God's grace. All the more reason we are admonished to embrace Jesus Christ as our Savior.