Is God constrained?

[SBC]

Father Adam H.E,

Please quote the scripture saying "father Adam".

was made in the image and after the likeness of GOD.

Therefore, as GOD is the Supreme Spirit Being, so too is Father Adam H.E a Spirit Being.

Please quote the scripture saying; THEREFORE, Adam was a "spirit being".

You are not your body.

Your body is your body.

Please quote scriptures saying what you claim.

You are the Spirit Being

Please quote scripture saying mankind IS "the" Spirit Being.

The body which Father Adam H.E had, was a body coupled by the hands of GOD from the dust of an earth not yet fallen, that is to say, Celestial.

Nonsense. Everything out of the earth is Terrestrial NOT Celestial.

Thus the body of Man before the fall is a Celestial Garment, which Father Adam H.E, was baptised into. The Heavenly Body which Father Adam H.E had before the fall is Celestial and Glorious. Father Adam H.E was not made a mortal, else you say that GOD is mortal. For He was made in the image and after the likeness of GOD.

Therefore, you and I and every human being which has come from our Principal Ancestor, Father Adam H.E, are in the image of Father Adam H.E after the fall. Your body is formed in the womb of a woman because the Sperm of the man fertilised the egg. But you, are not your body, you are the Spirit which is sent to pick up that body which gives you access, nay, qualifies you to run your race in the earth.

With this alone, GOD did not form your body specially, like HE did Father Adam H.E and Mother Eve. No, He designed the and moulded the mortal body which we all have. You are not the Principal Ancestor of Man, Father Adam H.E is. You did not eat the fruit which cause the alteration - the fall, Father Adam H.E did. You did not choose to die to procreate His Children, Father Adam H.E did.

Father Adam H.E is the Son of GOD, the only Son of GOD. JESUS CHRIST Our Supreme LORD is GOD. The same GOD that birthed Father Adam H.E, the same GOD that delivered Israel out of Egypt. JESUS CHRIST Our Supreme LORD is GOD the Son of the trinity, not the Son of GOD. GOD is not impotent. HE is not HIS own Son. HE has a Son, and it is he, that the builders have rejected.

Thus, you are not a Son, as Father Adam H.E is a Son. You are not equal to, or greater than Him. Father Adam H.E is the head of Mankind. the only one above Father Adam H.E is GOD Almighty.

You teach a jumbled mess of madeup nonsense, that is not scriptural.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[Newlyrestoredgospel777]

Please quote the scripture saying "father Adam".





Please quote the scripture saying; THEREFORE, Adam was a "spirit being".




Please quote scriptures saying what you claim.



Please quote scripture saying mankind IS "the" Spirit Being.



Nonsense. Everything out of the earth is Terrestrial NOT Celestial.



You teach a jumbled mess of makeup nonsense, that is not scriptural.

God Bless,
SBC

I will simply say this:

this is a fallen earth and Man is in his fallen state. The fallen earth is terrestrial but its original state is Celestial. The body of Man was made as a Celestial being and it was the body that was disfigured in the fall. That is why there is a transfiguration. Heaven and the transfigured body are not ghostly things. They are real physical Celestial things.

The Spirit Being is that breath of life which was breathed into Father Adam H.E and Man became a living soul. The body was lifeless before that revealing that the person is not the body. Man is a Spirit. He is a Spirit Being once he is programmed in the soul and is called a living soul (live in soul). The Soul is the body for the Spirit which is then sent into the womb of an expecting mother during the 6th-7th month of pregnancy to pick up his mortal body and run his race to transfiguration.

Now regarding Father Adam H.E
Father Adam His Eminence is the Principal Ancestor of Mankind. HE is the seed that had to die to being forth the body (body of Christ) because the Body of Christ is the church. No man would be here if it were not for his choice to fall. Father Adam H.E is the chief Cornerstone that the builders rejected, the Son of GOD.

If this truth does not resonate with you, So be it.

 

[SBC]

I will simply say this:

this is a fallen earth and Man is in his fallen state. The fallen earth is terrestrial but its original state is Celestial. The body of Man was made as a Celestial being and it was the body that was disfigured in the fall. That is why there is a transfiguration. Heaven and the transfigured body are not ghostly things. They are real physical Celestial things.

The Spirit Being is that breath of life which was breathed into Father Adam H.E and Man became a living soul. The body was lifeless before that revealing that the person is not the body. Man is a Spirit. He is a Spirit Being once he is programmed in the soul and is called a living soul (live in soul). The Soul is the body for the Spirit which is then sent into the womb of an expecting mother during the 6th-7th month of pregnancy to pick up his mortal body and run his race to transfiguration.

Now regarding Father Adam H.E
Father Adam His Eminence is the Principal Ancestor of Mankind. HE is the seed that had to die to being forth the body (body of Christ) because the Body of Christ is the church. No man would be here if it were not for his choice to fall. Father Adam H.E is the chief Cornerstone that the builders rejected, the Son of GOD.

If this truth does not resonate with you, So be it.

Repeating the same things, does not make your speech verifiable in scripture, or believable.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[Steve Petersen]

At this point 'Constrained' is winning by 18 to 9.

 

[SBC]

At this point 'Constrained' is winning by 18 to 9.

The thing is: God constrained Himself.

When Gods says He can not lie - whelp - then He can not lie.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[Hammster]

The thing is: God constrained Himself.

When Gods says He can not lie - whelp - then He can not lie.

God Bless,
SBC

Why is that a constraint?

 

[YouAreAwesome]

We are in a fallen world. This is not a perfect picture at all. GOD is the GOD of Pre-destiny. HE knows the end from the beginning. Nothing takes GOD unawares.

With which of these three do you disagree:
1. Omnipotence (All powerful)
2. Omniscience (All knowing - including the total future)
3. Omnibenevolence (All loving)

It is contradictory to believe all three of these things are true because evil exists.

How does saying that an almighty God allows evil because he gave free will solve the problem or exonerate him from all responsibility?

From my perspective, the worth of free-beings was and is greater than the potential damage of evil. If beings are truly free then God did not and does not know our future actions. Evil was caused by a free-being or beings who God created - but God is not held responsible for the actions of a free being unless He knows their future actions before creating them.

Along with power comes a certain responsibility to intervene.

Here is where Open Theism adds to this thread. I believe God is constrained from certain actions in this world. He constrained Himself by creating free-beings and giving them responsibility over this universe. Not a pretend responsibility, but a real responsibility where humans play a very real and primary part in the outcome. While He has the power to act, He doesn't have the jurisdiction. Hence prayer. Hence spiritual war. Etc. If God was all powerful and all knowing then "war" doesn't make any sense, evil wouldn't be present, and there'd be no freedom.

 

[Radrook]

With which of these three do you disagree:
1. Omnipotence (All powerful)
2. Omniscience (All knowing - including the total future)
3. Omnibenevolence (All loving)

It is contradictory to believe all three of these things are true because evil exists.



From my perspective, the worth of free-beings was and is greater than the potential damage of evil. If beings are truly free then God did not and does not know our future actions. Evil was caused by a free-being or beings who God created - but God is not held responsible for the actions of a free being unless He knows their future actions before creating them.



Here is where Open Theism adds to this thread. I believe God is constrained from certain actions in this world. He constrained Himself by creating free-beings and giving them responsibility over this universe. Not a pretend responsibility, but a real responsibility where humans play a very real and primary part in the outcome. While He has the power to act, He doesn't have the jurisdiction. Hence prayer. Hence spiritual war. Etc. If God was all powerful and all knowing then "war" doesn't make any sense, evil wouldn't be present, and there'd be no freedom.

So the creator you are proposing is not almighty, not all knowing, and both unwilling and incapable of exerting full control over his universe. In other words, it is not the biblically-described God and is only God because he created. Right? Is that what open-theism teaches?

 

[YouAreAwesome]

So the creator you are proposing is not almighty, not all knowing, and both unwilling and incapable of exerting full control over his universe. In other words, it is not the biblically-described God and is only God because he created. Right? Is that what open-theism teaches?

Open Theism teaches God is:
+ All Powerful (i.e. Almighty)
+ All Knowing in the present, past and the settled future

As for exerting full control over His universe, do you believe He exerts full control? Including evil? As an all-loving God He is incapable of doing evil therefore the evil that occurs is outside of His control. To exert complete control over the universe is to turn every free-being into a robot. His goal of freedom is worth more than all the evil that the creatures might create for themselves. We live in our own consequences, both of our own choices, and the choices of those who have gone before us. God is the One with the Power, He is the One with direction, He is the One with Peace, we worship Him and walk the battle with Him. I say these things to make clear Open Theism is not reducing God to anything lesser, the opposite, He is greater because He is not a control freak, He is Love and opened up the freedom we enjoy.

 

[SBC]

Why is that a constraint?

God Himself controls and limits Himself.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[Newlyrestoredgospel777]

With which of these three do you disagree:
1. Omnipotence (All powerful)
2. Omniscience (All knowing - including the total future)
3. Omnibenevolence (All loving)

It is contradictory to believe all three of these things are true because evil exists.



From my perspective, the worth of free-beings was and is greater than the potential damage of evil. If beings are truly free then God did not and does not know our future actions. Evil was caused by a free-being or beings who God created - but God is not held responsible for the actions of a free being unless He knows their future actions before creating them.



Here is where Open Theism adds to this thread. I believe God is constrained from certain actions in this world. He constrained Himself by creating free-beings and giving them responsibility over this universe. Not a pretend responsibility, but a real responsibility where humans play a very real and primary part in the outcome. While He has the power to act, He doesn't have the jurisdiction. Hence prayer. Hence spiritual war. Etc. If God was all powerful and all knowing then "war" doesn't make any sense, evil wouldn't be present, and there'd be no freedom.

You are assuming that the GOD who knows the end from the beginning thereby controls the actions of his people. This is where you err. How then can Prophets Prophesy what is coming if GOD does not know? How then can the GOD say: I know what you will ask for before you ask? The evil that exists is defining darkness so we can know the light. The children of darkness chase after the things of the darkness, the children of light after the LAW and STATUTES of GOD, HIS WAYS, HIS ORDINANCES, and HIS WORD. The evil that is defining darkness is a result of the fallen earth and the fallen Man. Not a result of GOD.

GOD is not constrained. HE is not held back from HIS free will. HE is all knowing, all powerful, All Loving, All Hearing, GOD of Salvation, GOD of Mercy who Predestines HIS children. Everything about the person is in the seed (Spirit) that shall sprout at its time determined by GOD when the child is walking in the ways of GOD and has Sacred Mentality. IF GOD is not a GOD of Pre-destination, then how are you destined to go to heaven?

 

[Hammster]

God Himself controls and limits Himself.

God Bless,
SBC

I don’t think He does. I don’t think He needs to. If that was the case, it would indicate that it’s possible for Him to do other, but He keeps Himself in check.

 

[YouAreAwesome]

You are assuming that the GOD who knows the end from the beginning thereby controls the actions of his people.

See Argument from free will - Wikipedia for the following argument:

1. God knows choice "C" that a human would claim to "make freely".
2. It is now necessary that C.
3. If it is now necessary that C, then C cannot be otherwise (this is the definition of “necessary”). That is, there are no actual "possibilities" due to predestination.
4. If you cannot do otherwise when you act, you do not act freely (Principle of Alternate Possibilities)
5. Therefore, when you do an act, you will not do it freely.

Furthermore, if you argue that God knows the end from the beginning in the sense of knowing every single occurrence between beginning and end, then God knowingly created evil by creating free creatures. If God knows a creature will do evil, yet still creates it, then He made a choice between creating evil and not creating it, and chose to create evil. Open Theism teaches that God did not know if the free creation would choose evil. It was a risk. He constrained Himself from knowing the total future when He created the free creature and therefore is not responsible for evil.

God can know the overall plan and outcome for our universe without controlling specifics and without knowing every little individual action before it happens.

How then can Prophets Prophesy what is coming if GOD does not know?

He knows some things. He doesn't know other things (He is constrained by free will).

IF GOD is not a GOD of Pre-destination, then how are you destined to go to heaven?

By receiving His pre-destined salvation a person becomes one with Him now. Salvation was pre-destined.

 

[SBC]

I don’t think He does. I don’t think He needs to. If that was the case, it would indicate that it’s possible for Him to do other, but He keeps Himself in check.

Disagree.

God is always JUST, in the POSITIVE. He can not Stand against Himself.


God Bless,
SBC

 

[Hammster]

Disagree.

God is always JUST, in the POSITIVE. He can not Stand against Himself.


God Bless,
SBC

I’m not sure exactly what you are disagreeing with.

 

[Newlyrestoredgospel777]

See Argument from free will - Wikipedia for the following argument:

1. God knows choice "C" that a human would claim to "make freely".
2. It is now necessary that C.
3. If it is now necessary that C, then C cannot be otherwise (this is the definition of “necessary”). That is, there are no actual "possibilities" due to predestination.
4. If you cannot do otherwise when you act, you do not act freely (Principle of Alternate Possibilities)
5. Therefore, when you do an act, you will not do it freely.

Furthermore, if you argue that God knows the end from the beginning in the sense of knowing every single occurrence between beginning and end, then God knowingly created evil by creating free creatures. If God knows a creature will do evil, yet still creates it, then He made a choice between creating evil and not creating it, and chose to create evil. Open Theism teaches that God did not know if the free creation would choose evil. It was a risk. He constrained Himself from knowing the total future when He created the free creature and therefore is not responsible for evil.

God can know the overall plan and outcome for our universe without controlling specifics and without knowing every little individual action before it happens.



He knows some things. He doesn't know other things (He is constrained by free will).



By receiving His pre-destined salvation a person becomes one with Him now. Salvation was pre-destined.

free will is not the choice between good and bad. Free will is the ability to do as you wish according to your time and actions, and not according to being bound by someone else, or their will or their time.

When we are transfigured and are in heaven and are no longer capable of breaking the LAW - that is to say, choose between good and evil, then do you say we no longer have free will? Rather as mortals, in the fallen nature, we do according to our nature, which is to transgress. So can a perfect Man also have free will according to your understanding? did JESUS CHRIST Our Supreme LORD have free will? yet HE did no Evil.

So free will has nothing to do with choosing between good and bad, it is about doing according to your will and according to your own time and according to your desire. That could be all good things none of it evil and is still free will.

The evil is a result of the fallen nature. GOD does know the end from the beginning. GOD Predestines HIS children only. Evil and the things which are evil are not in the count, as they were not created by HIM.

The fallen nature is the nature of Man after the fall. It is not the Man that GOD created. The Man that GOD created is the Celestial, immortal Man, in HIS image and after HIS likeness, and that Man is Father Adam H.E, who then produced Mother Eve. We are in in the image and likeness of Father Adam H.E after his fall. So, GOD did not create evil.

 

[YouAreAwesome]

free will is not the choice between good and bad. Free will is the ability to do as you wish according to your time and actions, and not according to being bound by someone else, or their will or their time.

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So free will has nothing to do with choosing between good and bad, it is about doing according to your will and according to your own time and according to your desire. That could be all good things none of it evil and is still free will.

I agree.

The evil is a result of the fallen nature. GOD does know the end from the beginning. GOD Predestines HIS children only. Evil and the things which are evil are not in the count, as they were not created by HIM.

So you are saying not all things are pre-destined, only people, and not only that, only Christians? Also, how did the perfect nature fall? At what point did the creation become UN-pre-destined? This is where free will answers the question and predestination, in the classical sense, causes problems.

 

[Radrook]

There is a contradiction here. Adam is described as being in the form of perfection, spiritual and incapable of evil and then he is described as choosing evil. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Radrook]

Open Theism teaches God is:
+ All Powerful (i.e. Almighty)
+ All Knowing in the present, past and the settled future

As for exerting full control over His universe, do you believe He exerts full control? Including evil? As an all-loving God He is incapable of doing evil therefore the evil that occurs is outside of His control. To exert complete control over the universe is to turn every free-being into a robot. His goal of freedom is worth more than all the evil that the creatures might create for themselves. We live in our own consequences, both of our own choices, and the choices of those who have gone before us. God is the One with the Power, He is the One with direction, He is the One with Peace, we worship Him and walk the battle with Him. I say these things to make clear Open Theism is not reducing God to anything lesser, the opposite, He is greater because He is not a control freak, He is Love and opened up the freedom we enjoy.

Well, Non-Open Theism doesn't contradict Open Theism in that area since it doesn't teach that God is in full control at present either. That's why it teaches a restoration of al things and a replacement of the present situation by a new one as prophesied.

2 Peter 3:13 ►
New International Version
But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

 

[SBC]

I’m not sure exactly what you are disagreeing with.

Your view;

If that was the case, it would indicate that it’s possible for Him to do other,

I disagree, "it would indicate".

Gods word is in the positive. He declares what IS. He is Truth, He can not Lie. -
No need for Him to indicate otherwise.

Men simply have the option to trust and believe Him, or not.

God Bless,
SBC