Trump to almost for sure end the Dreamers Program (illegal immigrants)

[Targaryen]

They are not American citizens in the first place.

Sorry but the phrase you are looking for was they aren't American citizens yet.

 

[HannahT]

Sorry but the phrase you are looking for was they aren't American citizens yet.

DACA recipients cannot apply to become the U.S. citizens and can't become residents despite what many people think. They get work permits.

 

[Arcangl86]

DACA recipients cannot apply to become the U.S. citizens and can't become residents despite what many people think. They get work permits.

And this is what I was talking about earlier. A lot of the opposition to DACA is driven by people not actually knowing what it does.

 

[trunks2k]

And this is what I was talking about earlier. A lot of the opposition to DACA is driven by people not actually knowing what it does.

Frankly, I think it's a shortcoming of DACA. It should allow for a path to citizenship based on various criteria - like being part of the program for X number of years.

IMO if you came over here as a child, and the government failed to deport your family in a timely fashion, then that's the government's problem, not yours, when it's 15 years later and all you've basically known your entire life is this county. You've been educated here. On the purely pragmatic, non-moral level you are a potential asset that we'd like to keep, if you do break the law or the like, it gives the government a convenient excuse to just get you out of the country entirely.

 

[HannahT]

Frankly, I think it's a shortcoming of DACA. It should allow for a path to citizenship based on various criteria - like being part of the program for X number of years.

IMO if you came over here as a child, and the government failed to deport your family in a timely fashion, then that's the government's problem, not yours, when it's 15 years later and all you've basically known your entire life is this county. You've been educated here. On the purely pragmatic, non-moral level you are a potential asset that we'd like to keep, if you do break the law or the like, it gives the government a convenient excuse to just get you out of the country entirely.

Now Congress has that chance to change it. We will see if they are all mouth and no action - as usual. Let's hope not.

 

[Arcangl86]

Frankly, I think it's a shortcoming of DACA. It should allow for a path to citizenship based on various criteria - like being part of the program for X number of years.

IMO if you came over here as a child, and the government failed to deport your family in a timely fashion, then that's the government's problem, not yours, when it's 15 years later and all you've basically known your entire life is this county. You've been educated here. On the purely pragmatic, non-moral level you are a potential asset that we'd like to keep, if you do break the law or the like, it gives the government a convenient excuse to just get you out of the country entirely.

And IIRC that was how the DREAM Act was set up. But the president does not have the power to determine naturalization policy. All he could do was determine how best to use the resources he was granted, even if he disagreed with the policies that he was forced to follow.

 

[Allandavid]

If I may say so, I think it's very disheartening to see this kind of apathy and uncompassionate attitude from these right wing Christians toward these innocent children.

Perhaps they could consider joining this organisation...?

 

[pat34lee]

Sorry but the phrase you are looking for was they aren't American citizens yet.

I prefer "They aren't American citizens. Now it's too late."

 

[pat34lee]

And this is what I was talking about earlier. A lot of the opposition to DACA is driven by people not actually knowing what it does.

It doesn't send them home, so whatever it does do, doesn't matter.

 

[pat34lee]

Frankly, I think it's a shortcoming of DACA. It should allow for a path to citizenship based on various criteria - like being part of the program for X number of years.

IMO if you came over here as a child, and the government failed to deport your family in a timely fashion, then that's the government's problem, not yours, when it's 15 years later and all you've basically known your entire life is this county. You've been educated here. On the purely pragmatic, non-moral level you are a potential asset that we'd like to keep, if you do break the law or the like, it gives the government a convenient excuse to just get you out of the country entirely.

Unlike most misdemeanors, there is no statute of limitations
on illegal aliens. They never stop being illegal, so it is still as
much a crime for them to live here today as when they were
brought here. Many have fake licenses and social security cards.
They work illegally.

 

[SolomonVII]

Sorry but the phrase you are looking for was they aren't American citizens yet.

No. What I am saying is that they are not citizens now. The rescinded executive does not make them citizens, but merely bestows upon them the quasi-legal status of an underclass.
An act of law is required to make them, like anyone else, American citizens.
Only a prophet or a fortune teller could tell us the future, or pretend that he knows what future is laid out for these people.
I am neither a prophet or a fortune teller, and don't trust anyone who purports to be on this matter.

 

[Arcangl86]

It doesn't send them home, so whatever it does do, doesn't matter.

Would you rather the President focus on deporting the young 20 something who is a productive member of the community or the drug dealers and murderers?

 

[Allandavid]

Unlike most misdemeanors, there is no statute of limitations
on illegal aliens. They never stop being illegal, so it is still as
much a crime for them to live here today as when they were
brought here.

How does a 2, 4, 6 year old commit a a "crime"...?

Many have fake licenses and social security cards.
They work illegally.

Evidence please. I understand that DACA people are rigorously monitored for any infractions of the law. Put up, or withdraw your claim...

 

[Tallguy88]

But I was referring to the children of those dreamers. I understand that many of the dreamers are now in their 20s and 30s, so many of them would have kids of their own...born in the USA.

So, not only does this action of Trump's serve to remove nearly a million very worthwhile and productive people from your society, it would also involve the forced removal of legal US citizens, through no fault of their own.

How crazy is that...?

I don't believe the children could be forcibly deported, since they are US citizens. They could either live with US relatives or go into foster care.

 

[Tallguy88]

Frankly, I think it's a shortcoming of DACA. It should allow for a path to citizenship based on various criteria - like being part of the program for X number of years.

IMO if you came over here as a child, and the government failed to deport your family in a timely fashion, then that's the government's problem, not yours, when it's 15 years later and all you've basically known your entire life is this county. You've been educated here. On the purely pragmatic, non-moral level you are a potential asset that we'd like to keep, if you do break the law or the like, it gives the government a convenient excuse to just get you out of the country entirely.

That's beyond the scope of an executive order. Congress makes the laws. The President enforces the laws. The ball is squarely in Congress' court now.

 

[Non sequitur]

I don't believe the children could be forcibly deported, since they are US citizens. They could either live with US relatives or go into foster care.

That could be a lot of children going into foster care.

Seems easier (and cheaper for the country) to let those currently employed, and being productive members of society, stay (in their work visa-type status).

 

[Tallguy88]

That could be a lot of children going into foster care.

Seems easier (and cheaper for the country) to let those currently employed, and being productive members of society, stay (in their work visa-type status).

It's not really a change of circumstances. This is now it has always been when illegal aliens are deported when they have US-born children. It's one of the common criticisms of our immigration system in general. It also doesn't really depend on whether the President is a Democrat or Republican. For example, Obama deported more illegals as Bush did (2.5 million vs 2 million), though roughly half of those were caught near the border and thus probably did not have US-born children.

 

[Non sequitur]

It's not really a change of circumstances. This is now it has always been when illegal aliens are deported when they have US-born children. It's one of the common criticisms of our immigration system in general. It also doesn't really depend on whether the President is a Democrat or Republican. For example, Obama deported more illegals as Bush did (2.5 million vs 2 million), though roughly half of those were caught near the border and thus probably did not have US-born children.

The illegal aliens deported had a different standard to meet (actually none), than the DACA recipients. DACA recipients pay federal income taxes, can't have a criminal record (felony and significant misdemeanors) and have to be in school or graduated. One is closely monitored, and self identifying, and the other is not.

Since these requirements apply to one, and not the other, it appears that they cannot be lumped together in the same general "illegal aliens" category and circumstances.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Sarah Huckabee Sanders says over and over: Immigration reform is Congress's 'job'

 

[Allandavid]

I don't believe the children could be forcibly deported, since they are US citizens. They could either live with US relatives or go into foster care.

Fantastic 'solution', right...?