Trump to almost for sure end the Dreamers Program (illegal immigrants)

[SolomonVII]

They just might -- a lot of people are none too pleased with Donald's announcement, and if Congress doesn't step in, the GOP will feel the brunt of their wrath come election time for being complicit.

Good.
That is what people have been wanting from Congress for a long time now.
But I don't personally expect Democrats doing anything to make good legislation on Trump's watch, and Republicans are too divided on any issue to do it on their own.

 

[Allandavid]

Well, we can give them a choice you can put your kids in an overcrowded foster system or take them with you, When the kid turns eighteen he or she will have the right to reenter as any other citizen who left the country on business, vacation whatever.

Just take them with you huh...?

You forget one tiny detail...

Those children of the dreamers are US CITIZENS. As far as the destination country is concerned, THEY ARE FOREIGNERS. What is Donald's brilliant solution if that country refuses to take these 'immigrants' that have been forced upon them...?

 

[Allandavid]

They were not born here though. They were born in wherever their parents came from, but came over when they had no say in the matter and in many cases may not have even understood what was happening.

I am talking about the CHILDREN OF THE DREAMERS, not the dreamers themselves....

 

[TLK Valentine]

Good.
That is what people have been wanting from Congress for a long time now.
But I don't personally expect Democrats doing anything to make good legislation on Trump's watch, and Republicans are too divided on any issue to do it on their own.

The dems are making some interesting legislation -- for example one of my Senators, Cory Booker, is trying to get the feds to decriminalize marijuana.

Sen. Cory Booker puts marijuana legalization at the center of his new racial justice bill

Personally I agree with this -- the states, one by one, are waking up to the reality that marijuana is harmless, and our already overcrowded prison system could use the relief.

Of course, it's unlikely to gain any traction from the GOP in Congress, and there's certainly no way in Hades Donald will sign it...

 

[SolomonVII]

Putting things into legislation that ensures it will not get signed defines Congressional dysfunction.


All this means is that America will return to the status quo as it existed before Obama signed things through by executive order.

 

[Allandavid]

At that point, the onus is on the other nation to do the humanitarian thing and keep the families together. Besides, sine the kids can't stay here, they literally have nowhere else to go.

Indeed, in such a horrible situation one would hope that the other nation would display a little more humanitarianism than the country kicking out its own citizens...and I would argue that the kids of the dreamers can stay...they are citizens after all...

 

[TLK Valentine]

Indeed, in such a horrible situation one would hope that the other nation would display a little more humanitarianism than the country kicking out its own citizens...and I would argue that the kids of the dreamers can stay...they are citizens after all...

Which brings us to a practical question -- if the parents go, the children stay... where?

Foster care? Remember, Trump's supporters already hate this children as it is for being "leeches..." this will not improve their lot.

 

[Allandavid]

Which brings us to a practical question -- if the parents go, the children stay... where?

Foster care? Remember, Trump's supporters already hate this children as it is for being "leeches..." this will not improve their lot.

Exactly. You and I are arguing the same case...namely, that such an action that is proposed by Trump is a failure on all sides.

You either end up with families being split apart, with a greater burden on your welfare systems, or you thrust essentially immigrant children onto a (usually) poorer nation that may not be equipped nor willing to take them.

Sounds like a Donald plan all right...

 

[Arcangl86]

Good.
That is what people have been wanting from Congress for a long time now.
But I don't personally expect Democrats doing anything to make good legislation on Trump's watch, and Republicans are too divided on any issue to do it on their own.

The last time immigration reform was attempted, it wasn't the democrats that were the problem. It was Speaker Boener who refused to even allow the bill to go to a vote. There is an excellent compromise bill that has in the past been easily passed in the Senate, but hardliners in the House GOP refused to even consider it because it had a path to citizenship.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Just take them with you huh...?

You forget one tiny detail...

Those children of the dreamers are US CITIZENS. As far as the destination country is concerned, THEY ARE FOREIGNERS. What is Donald's brilliant solution if that country refuses to take these 'immigrants' that have been forced upon them...?

I said let the parents CHOOSE. If they did take the children they ( the children) could upon reaching 18 come in the country just like any other citizen coming back from business or vacation abroad.

 

[dogs4thewin]

The last time immigration reform was attempted, it wasn't the democrats that were the problem. It was Speaker Boener who refused to even allow the bill to go to a vote. There is an excellent compromise bill that has in the past been easily passed in the Senate, but hardliners in the House GOP refused to even consider it because it had a path to citizenship.

and they broke the law by coming so why should they be offered a path to citizenship other than leaving and coming back the RIGHT way?

 

[dogs4thewin]

Exactly. You and I are arguing the same case...namely, that such an action that is proposed by Trump is a failure on all sides.

You either end up with families being split apart, with a greater burden on your welfare systems, or you thrust essentially immigrant children onto a (usually) poorer nation that may not be equipped nor willing to take them.

Sounds like a Donald plan all right...

For the record many nations past citizenship through the parents, so if the parents were born in a particular country then in many ( if not most) cases the child is a citizen of THAT country as well, so if they did that then they would be refusing to "take back" their OWN citizens.

 

[SolomonVII]

The last time immigration reform was attempted, it wasn't the democrats that were the problem. It was Speaker Boener who refused to even allow the bill to go to a vote. There is an excellent compromise bill that has in the past been easily passed in the Senate, but hardliners in the House GOP refused to even consider it because it had a path to citizenship.

Yup. Of course there was a point in time in which Democrats held the hammer, and that would be the time to strike their own immigration law. They dropped the ball on that one.
The ball is in the hardliners court now. Walls and stricter border controls are on their agenda, and bipartisan support might make the sell of those hard line items a lot easier with a dreams act thrown in to grease the passage.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Which brings us to a practical question -- if the parents go, the children stay... where?

Foster care? Remember, Trump's supporters already hate this children as it is for being "leeches..." this will not improve their lot.

I happen to be a Trump supporter and the children cannot help it ( ironically that was part of the thinking of the dreamer act. This is why I say give the parents a choice you can have them placed in the foster system ( which as most people know is overcrowded.), OR you can take them with you and upon attaining the age of 18 they will be permitted to return just as any other citizen who left the country for a time for any number of reasons.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

I happen to be a Trump supporter and the children cannot help it ( ironically that was part of the thinking of the dreamer act. This is why I say give the parents a choice you can have them placed in the foster system ( which as most people know is overcrowded.), OR you can take them with you and upon attaining the age of 18 they will be permitted to return just as any other citizen who left the country for a time for any number of reasons.

Would you alert authorities if you know of a family with illegal parents but citizen children?

 

[dogs4thewin]

Would you alert authorities if you know of a family with illegal parents but citizen children?

I do not know hopefully I will never be in that spot.

 

[Arcangl86]

Yup. Of course there was a point in time in which Democrats held the hammer, and that would be the time to strike their own immigration law. They dropped the ball on that one.
The ball is in the hardliners court now. Walls and stricter border controls are on their agenda, and bipartisan support might make the sell of those hard line items a lot easier with a dreams act thrown in to grease the passage.

They tried multiple times to pass the DREAM Act, but could never get it through a filibuster, even though they had the votes to pass it.

And as for bipartisan-ism, I'm not holding my breath. The Border Security, Economic Opportunity, and Immigration Modernization Act of 2013 was a comprehensive compromise bill that included both enhanced enforcement and a road to citizenship, and while it easily passed the Senate, the House refused to consider it, even though there likely were enough votes for it to pass.

 

[Rion]

Huh...???

We put Australian citizens into concentration camps...??

Please move away from that bottle....

Did I say your own citizens? I was sarcastically referring to your illegal aliens.

Refugee camp company in Australia 'liable for crimes against humanity'

 

[wing2000]

and they broke the law by coming so why should they be offered a path to citizenship other than leaving and coming back the RIGHT way?

After 3 plus decades of illegal immigration, it simply isn't practical to round up 10-12 million and people send them back to their home country. As it is, the immigration court system is backlogged by over 600,000 cases.

The 2013 "Gang of Eight" bill provisions (in part):

Path to Citizenship

Most of the 11 million people who are in the country illegally could apply for a green card after 10 years and citizenship three years after that.

Applicants must pay a $1,000 fine, pay back taxes, learn English, remain employed and pass a criminal background check.

Immigrants must have arrived in the United States before Jan. 1, 2012, to be eligible.

Dream Act youth can obtain green cards in five years and citizenship immediately thereafter.

The path to green cards and citizenship is predicated on a “trigger” related to border control measures that must first be implemented.

Key provisions in 'Gang of Eight' Senate proposal - The Washington Post

 

[TLK Valentine]

Exactly. You and I are arguing the same case...namely, that such an action that is proposed by Trump is a failure on all sides.

You either end up with families being split apart, with a greater burden on your welfare systems, or you thrust essentially immigrant children onto a (usually) poorer nation that may not be equipped nor willing to take them.

Sounds like a Donald plan all right...

Ah, but you're forgetting -- once the children are shipped out like so much unwanted baggage, they become someone else's problem.

Indeed -- sounds like a Donald plan...