COL 2:14-17 The REAL truth from God's Word

[LoveGodsWord]

Where does the law say do not have respect to persons? James can not be talking a bout the law on this point. bugkiller

Yes he is. Let me write it out for you again maybe you did not see it. I will underline the sections for you to look at. Hope it helps.

Jam 2:8-12,
If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: But if ye have respect to persons <G4380 means Show partiality>, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I do not think Jesus ever called any one to a pious life. bugkiller

1Pe 1:14, As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
1Pe 1:15, But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
1Pe 1:16, Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord
Mat 5, 17, Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5, 18, For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5, 19, Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 19, 17, And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
John 14, 15, If ye love me, keep my commandments.
John 15, 10, If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1 John 2, 3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1 John 2, 4, He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
James 2:10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
James 2:11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Matt 5:27, Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Matt 5:28, But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
James 2:12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
James 2:13, For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Romans 2:6, Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Romans 2:7, To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Romans 2:8, But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath.
Heb 10:26, For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Ecc 12:13, Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

 

[stuart lawrence]

It is the Word of God. Believe it or not it is up to you friend I do not judge you

So I repeat. Did King David knowingly and wilfully sin when he coveted Bathsheba, committed adultery with her, and was responsible for her innocent husband being killed?
If so. In your view, did David not know God?
According to your quotation and understanding of scripture?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

This is not understood because they try an apply it to the flesh and not the soul.
bugkiller

Yes you indeed do not understand.

Eze 18:4
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Anyways, hope work goes well for you. Be happy to actually discuss your thread again, IF you can bring a verse of scripture forth from the NT/ covenant that states under the NC gentile converts must observe a set Saturday sabbath. Just one verse will do. After all, I have given you a verse endorsing my belief

Firstly you have not given any verse endorsing your belief. You have quoted Romans 14:5-6 which is talking about the Jewish annual feast days. God's 7th Day Sabbath commandment is not even mentioned. Now if the scripture you used does not even mention the 7th Day Sabbath what makes you think it is talking about it? Now you would think if that is what Paul was talking about he would be very clear what he is talking about considering God's people, had been keeping the commandment since is was given 490 years earlier and Jesus and all his follows kept it as a Holy day according to God's Law? So no Romans 14:5-6 does not even mention the Sabbath but it is consistent with what Paul is talking about in Col 2:14-17 about the Jewish annual feast days and holy convocations as discussed in the OP. Go read the OP Parts 1 to 4. You will get a blessing.

Ok tell you what. You show me one verse in the bible (Old or New Testament) that says God's 4th commandment (7th Day Sabbath) is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day and I will show you not one bible verse but MANY MANY MANY bible verses showing what Jesus taught about the Sabbath, how Jesus and all his followers kept the Sabbath only using the New Testament? Ok I am waiting for your single bible verse.

Now if you cannot show me one bible verse telling us that God's 4th commandment (the 7th Day Sabbath) is now abolished and we are commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day, why do you break God's commandments to follow man made traditions over the Word of God?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I'm not upset at all, quite calm and relaxed in fact. I only really get upset with religious hypocrisy. People who do not practice what they preach/ demand of others. Jesus also got very upset with such people

Yes Jesus does teaches about hypocrisy. He says it is those that pretend to be Christian while knowingly and willfully breaking His commandments.

Mat 15:3-9,
But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honor thy father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou might be profited by me; And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draws nigh unto me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

BTW Would you say king David committed wilfull sin when he coveted, committed adultery and was responsible for an innocent man being murdered? If so. Did he not know God? Just wondered your views on that. And I look forward to your view as to what is and what is not wilfull sin. Thanks in advance for answering these two questions

I am going to put a stop to answering your random questions for two reasons. The main one as mentioned earlier (1) This thread is for the OP of Col 2:4-17 so far you have not discussed it at all and have shared very little scripture; (2) I have answered nearly all of your questions with scripture but you like to ignore my questions. So this is not much of a discussion.

If your asking did King David sin when he organized a murder of Bathsheba's husband and took Bathsheba to wife. Absolutely he did. Did King David repent of His sin? Absolutely he did (2Sam 12:13) Did David receive consequences for His sin? Absolutely (2Sam 12:10-14) 1 John 3:6 is in reference to someone in unrepentant sin and the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). When using the term willful it is referring to unrepentant sin.

Heb 10:26-27,

For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Now tell me, if David did not repent from his sin was he in a saved state or an unsaved state?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Nope it was the other way around. Are you telling the truth?

Absolutely. You gave no scripture at all from. The NT/ covenant that states gentiles must observe e a saturday sabbath. I gave you a scripture to support my view

 

[disciple1]

Hi Everyone,

I am new here so nice to meet you all. I thought this may be a good because there seems to be a lot of confusion over the scriptures found in Colosians Chapter 2; especially verses 14-17. This chapter has its basis from the Old Testaments scriptures so this is a study looking at the context and scripture references that are being referred to in this Chapter. I hope you all get a blessing out of of this OP. I believe when sharing God's Word we should correctly divide the Word of truth line upon line and precept upon precept. Anyhow I would like to share this study with you all

PART 1

Col 2:14-17,
14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15, And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath day(s): 17, which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The context is verse 14 which is the blotting out of the handwriting of ordinances to the cross. What is the handwriting of ordinances that were nailed to the cross? The Greek work used here is δόγμα dogma dog'-mah From the base of G1380; law (civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical): - decree; V16 Omit “the”not used in the Greek; Sabbath days is plural; Sabbaton meaning cease from secular work; rest)

Scripture points:

· Blotting out or nailing the handwriting of ordinances to the cross (v14)
· The cross triumphing over principalities and powers (v 15)
· No one to Judge you in meat and drink, holy days, new moon of the sabbath day(s) (v16)
· Which are a Shadow of things to come (v17)

ordinance.

So it is clear the context of Col 2:16-17 is the completion of the civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical laws of Moses which the writer says is finished and nailed to the cross.

Here is the actual Greek to English translation of the Col 2:16-17 verses from the interlinear:

16 Not therefore anyone you let judge in regards to food or in regards to drink or in regards to a feast (or festival) or a new moon or a Sabbath (plural). 17 which are a shadow of things coming but body of Christ.

The word rendered "holy-day" - ἑορτὴ heortē - in the Greek means a "feast" or "festival;"
Now, notice the key context within Col 2:16-17; No one is to judge you in regards to meat or drink, a feast (festival), or of the New Moon or of sabbath(s).

The Greek word for sabbath used G4521; σάββατο; sabbaton which means to cease from secular labor, stop work, rest.

Context within Col 2:16-17:
(1) meat or drink
(2) feast or festival
(3) new moons
(4) sabbath(s)

So the overall context of Col 2:14-17 is in judging in regards to meat and drink, feast days (festivals), new moons and sabbath(s) that are a part of the civil, ceremonial, ecclesiastical laws of Moses (v 14)

Col 2 is talking about the ceremonial laws from Moses that referred to the annual festivals of Lev 23; Deut 10; Num 27 and 28. Now let’s have a look at the Old Testament scriptures to see what Col 2 is talking about. Remember the overall context is in regards to meat and drink, feast days (festivals), new moons and sabbath(s) that are a part of the civil, ceremonial, ecclesiastical laws of Moses that were completed and nailed to the cross. If we can find references to the above context it will help us to understand what Col 2:14-17 is talking about because these are Shadows that pointed to Jesus.

Old Testament references to Col 2:14-17; Line upon Line Precept upon Precept:

Col 2:16-17,
Let no man therefore judge you in (1) meat, or in drink, or in respect of an (2) feast, or of the (3) new moon, or of the (4) sabbath(s): Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Eze 45:17-21,
It shall be the prince’s duty to furnish the (1) burnt offerings, grain offerings, and drink offerings, at the (2) feasts, the (3) new moons, and the (4) Sabbaths, at all the appointed (3) feasts of the house of Israel: he shall provide the sin offerings, grain offerings, burnt offerings, and peace offerings, to make atonement on behalf of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel. Thus says the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary: And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering, and put it upon the posts of the house, and upon the four corners of the settle of the altar, and upon the posts of the gate of the inner court. And so thou shalt do the seventh day of the month for every one that erred, and for him that is simple: so shall ye reconcile the house. In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the Passover, a Feast of seven days; unleavened bread shall be eaten.

1Ch 23:31
and whenever burnt offerings were presented to the LORD on the (4) Sabbaths, at the (3) New Moon (2) feasts and at the appointed festivals. They were to serve before the LORD regularly in the proper number and in the way prescribed for them.

2Ch 2:4,
Now I am about to build a temple for the Name of the LORD my God and to dedicate it to him for burning fragrant incense before him, for setting out the consecrated bread regularly, and for making burnt offerings every morning and evening and on the (4) Sabbaths, at the (3) New Moons and at the appointed (2) festivals of the LORD our God. This is a lasting ordinance for Israel.

Hos 2:11,
I will stop all her celebrations: her (2) yearly festivals, her (3) New Moons, her (4) Sabbaths and all her (2) appointed festivals.

It is interesting to note in the Old Testament the word Sabbath (shabbath 7676 from shabath 7673 meaning “rest”) is not only used for the weekly Sabbath but is also applied to the first and last days of the annual Jewish Festivals. The Greek Word used in Col 2:16 is Sabbaton meaning to cease from secular work; rest.

The monthly New Moon Sabbaths in relation to these festivals could fall on any day of the week. These were to start the beginning of the annual Jewish feasts. They were to be rest (Sabbath) days and restricted or no work was to be done. (Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29)

High Sabbaths, in most Christian and Messianic Jewish usage, are seven annual Biblical festivals and rest days, recorded in the books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy.This is an extension of the term "high day" found in the King James Version at John 19:31-42. The seven festivals do not necessarily occur on weekly Shabbat (seventh-day Sabbath) and are called by the name miqra ("called assembly") in Hebrew (Lev. 23). They are observed by Jews and a minority of Christians. Three of them occur in spring: the first and seventh days of Pesach (Passover), and Shavuot (Pentecost) which occurs in summer. Three occur in fall, in the seventh month, and are also called shabbaton: Rosh Hashanah (Trumpets); Yom Kippur, the "Sabbath of Sabbaths" (Atonement); and the first and eighth days of Sukkoth (Tabernacles). Sometimes the word shabbaton is extended to mean all seven festivals. The Gospel of John says of the night immediately following Christ's burial that "that sabbath day was a high day" (19:31-42). That night was Nisan 15, just after the first day of Passover week (Unleavened Bread) and an annual miqra and rest day, in most chronologies. (In other systems, it was Nisan 14, i.e., weekly but not annual Sabbath.) The King James Version may thus be the origin of naming the annual rest days "High Sabbaths" in English (source: wiki).

All of the above have their origin from the ceremonial laws of Moses found in Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29. All these references are in connection to; (1) Food and Drink offerings, (2) Feast days, (3) New Moons and (4) annual feast Sabbath(s)

So in summary, it should be very clear that Col 2:14-17 is referring to the ceremonial laws of Moses along with the annual Jewish feast days that all pointed to the coming of Jesus. When Jesus died on the cross the Jewish feasts along with the food and drink offerings, festivals and New Moon festival Sabbath(s) which all pointed to Jesus where a shadow of things to come. Many of the feast days in Lev 23 were were none work days in the Greek Col 2:16 were Sabbaton cease from secular work.

Col 2:14-17 is referring to the ceremonial laws of Moses in the annual ceremonial Feast days of Lev 23; Deut and Numbers that all pointed to Jesus and were nailed to the Cross including the annual new moon feast Sabbaths that could fall on any day of the week.

Line upon line and Precept upon precept.....

God's 7th Day Sabbath commandment (Ex 20:8-11) and the annual ceremonial Sabbaths for feast days of Col 2:14-17

What is the difference between God’s 4th commandment and the annual feast sabbath(s) of Col 2:16-17? To answer this question you need to understand the difference between God’s Law (10 commandments) and the laws of Moses. Let’s have a look at what that Word of God says. God’s Law (10 commandments) had a similar (not same) role is it did in the Old Testament as it does in the New and that is;

God’s Law (10 commandments) had a similar (not same) role is it did in the Old Testament as it does in the New and that is to

(1) point out what sin is and the punishment of sin which is death (Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4). It was never a cure for sin. But it was the work of God which is forever and the foundation of the Old Covenant, the New Covenant and the Judgement to come.

Scripture proof:
Ex 32:16; Ex 31:18; 31:18; Ex 20:1-22; Deut 10:5; Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23; Heb 7:19; Ecc 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1John 3:4, Acts 17:31; Ps 111:7-8; Rev 12:17; 14:12; 22:14; 1John 3:5-8; 1John 2:3-4; Ecc 3:14

(2) The laws of Moses however were the prescriptive cure for sin with all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, burnt offerings, annual feast days foretelling the plan of salvation which were connected to Feast days with New Moon sabbaths, food and drink offerings and other Holy days. These where all types pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation.

Scripture proof:
Lev 1:1-13; Lev 23:1-44; Num 28:1-31; 29:1-40; Deut 24:10-11; Ex 24:3; Deut 31:24-26; Col 2:16-16; Heb 10:1; Eph 2:14-15; Lev 4; 5; 6; Heb 4:14; 9;10; John 1:29

Every reference in connection to Col 2:14-17 is in relation to (1) burnt offerings; (2) Sabbaths held at the New Moon feasts and at the appointed festivals and (3) food and drink offerings. The context is referring to the annual ceremonial feast days described in Leviticus Chapter 23; Numbers chapters 28 and 29. As mentioned earlier these were all done away at the cross because they were Shadows of an unfinished word that was completed at the death of Jesus (Col 2:16-17).

Let’s now look at what the 4th commandment actually says?

Exo 20:8-11,
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day.

Now please notice some key points;

Where does it say in the 4th commandment of God’s Law that we need to do (1) burnt offerings (2) keep the annual Sabbaths at the New Moons at the appointed festivals and (3) offer food and drink offerings? It does not because it is God’s Law that points out sin. It is the same Law that we have today and is forever because it was made by God himself and represents the character of God and is the knowledge of good and evil. It shows us what sin is (Rom 3:20; 1John 3:4; Rom 6:23).

Now notice the last part of the commandment in Ex 20:11 this is the reason the commandment was given. (v11) For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day.This is a reference back to Gen 2:1-3
What does Genesis 2:1-3 teach us about God’s 4th commandment the 7th Day Sabbath which is one of the 10 commandments?

GEN 2
1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Scripture context points:
* God finished all the work of creation on the 7th Day of the week (v1)
* God ended His Work on the 7th Day of the creation week and rested from all His work of creation, it was completed no more work required (v2)
* God blessed the 7th Day and set it apart as a holy day as a memorial of creation

Critical questions and answers:

When was God’s 7th Day Sabbath made, before the fall of mankind or after the fall of mankind?
It was made BEFORE the fall of mankind at the end of the creation week on the 7th Day and was the result of a FINISHED work!

Was God’s work of creation a FINISHED WORK or an UNFUNISHED WORK?
The 7th Day Sabbath was the result of the FINISHED AND COMPLETED WORK of creation!

When were God’s Laws and the laws of Moses given, before the fall of mankind or after the fall of mankind? Obviously AFTER the fall of mankind (Ex 20:1-17, Lev 23:1-44, etc) they were part of God’s plan of salvation.

So in summary the 7th Day Sabbath is a memorial of the FINISHED work of creation and if it is a FINISHED work and a memorial of God’s creation that was given BEFORE the FALL of mankind before SIN had entered the world and before the plan of salvation was given to FALLEN man. If it was a part of a FINISHED work then it cannot be a Shadow of salvation because a Shadow was part of an UNFINISHED work given in the laws of Moses and was given AFTER the fall of mankind where the Sabbath was made before the fall.

Overall summary:
* Col 2:14-17 is referring to the ceremonial laws of Moses (v 14)

* The ceremonial laws of Moses included all the (1) food and drink offering, (2) feast days and festivals, (3) New Moons and (4) annual feast sabbaths (v 16)

* These were all Shadows pointing to Jesus and were completed at His death (v14; 17)

* The in text context of Col 2:16 is referring to the Old Testament scriptures word for word in relation to the laws of Moses (Col 2:16-17; Eze 45:17-21; 1Ch 23:31; 2Ch 2:4; Hos 2:11; Lev 23; Num 10; 28; 29)

* God’s Law (10 commandments) was the work of God himself and separate from every other law given to Israel. Its role was to point out sin

* The laws of Moses were to teach Israel the plan of salvation pointing to Jesus which was completed at the death of Jesus. It could not identify sin but its provided a cure for sin in animal sacrificed and burnt offerings and food and drink offerings which all pointed to Jesus (Col 2:14-17)

* Col 2:16 is referring to the annual New Moon ceremonial sabbaths connected to feast days and food and drink offerings and not the 4th commandment of God’s Law.

* God’s 4th commandment is a reference to Gen 2:1-3 which is the 7th day of the creation week which was part of the FINISHED work creation given BEFORE the fall of mankind so cannot be a part of any Shadow plan of Salvation because its origin is in the FINISHED creation week BEFORE the fall.

Closing remarks:

Jesus says the Sabbath was made for man. He is the God of creation that made it for mankind. God commands us to keep the 7th Day Sabbath as a Holy day because he rested on this day. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. If we love him we must follow Him (Mark 2:27-28; John 14:15)

Hope this helps the faithful Bereans.

God bless you all line upon line and precept upon precept.... PART 2 linked below

PART 1 in found in post 1

PART 2 is found here in post 149

PART 3 is found here in post 165

PART 4 in found in post 218

Galatians chapter 3 verse 17
What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.


The law introduced 2000 years later also does not do away with the promise.


1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
Love covers a great many sins.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I am going to put a stop to answering your random questions for two reasons. The main one as mentioned earlier (1) This thread is for the OP of Col 2:4-17 so far you have not discussed it at all and have shared very little scripture; (2) I have answered nearly all of your questions with scripture but you like to ignore my questions. So this is not much of a discussion.

If your asking did King David sin when he organized a murder of Bathsheba's husband and took Bathsheba to wife. Absolutely he did. Did King David repent of His sin? Absolutely he did (2Sam 12:13) Did David receive consequences for His sin? Absolutely (2Sam 12:10-14) 1 John 3:6 is in reference to someone in unrepentant sin and the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). When using the term willful it is referring to unrepentant sin.

Heb 10:26-27,

For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Now tell me, if David did not repent from his sin was he in a saved state or an unsaved state?

I hope everyone notes, the op refuses to address the question asked, which was asked due to his statement that if you knowingly and wilfully sin you do not know God.
All of a sudden he doesn't want to respond.
For in truth he cannot respond.
David wilfully and knowingly broke three of the TC one after the other.
According to the ops understanding of scripture therefore, king David did not know God.
No wonder he doesn't want to respond
So the excuse is:
I'm going to stop answering your random questions.
A question I repeat In response to what the op wrote

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Absolutely. You gave no scripture at all from. The NT/ covenant that states gentiles must observe e a saturday sabbath. I gave you a scripture to support my view

Interesting so according to your understanding of God's Word you believe the Gentiles can sin and be in a saved state?

Where is your scripture you have given none that says that God's people no longer need to keep God's 4th commandment as a Holy day and that it is abolished. You have given no scripture that says we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. God's Word clearly tells us if we break one of God's 10 commandments we are guilty of breaking all of his law and are in danger of the Judgement.

Jam 2:8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jam 2:9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jam 2:10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jam 2:11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jam 2:12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Show me the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Interesting so according to your understanding of God's Word you believe the Gentiles can sin and be in a saved state?

Where is your scripture you have given none that says that God's people no longer need to keep God's 4th commandment as a Holy day and that it is abolished. You have given no scripture that says we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. God's Word clearly tells us if we break one of God's 10 commandments we are guilty of breaking all of his law and are in danger of the Judgement.

Jam 2:8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jam 2:9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jam 2:10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jam 2:11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jam 2:12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Show me the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Ridiculous response.
The op has been repeatedly told the spiritual intent of the fourth commandment is kept every day, and he has been told why.
And he has not one verse of scripture from anywhere in the NT to support his claim

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Galatians chapter 3 verse 17
What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.


The law introduced 2000 years later also does not do away with the promise.

1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
Love covers a great many sins.

Hi disciple1,

So nice to meet you. Also so nice to meet someone that wants to talk about the OP. Thanks for your comments I believe Gal 3:17 is a great verse

God bless

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Ridiculous response.
The op has been repeatedly told the spiritual intent of the fourth commandment is kept every day, and he has been told why.
And he has not one verse of scripture from anywhere in the NT to support his claim

Ok friend lets agree to disagree. I do not judge you

 

[stuart lawrence]

Hi disciple1,

So nice to meet you. Also so nice to meet someone that wants to talk about the OP. Thanks for your comments I believe Gal 3:17 is a great verse

God bless

You were quite happy last night to chat for nearly two hours apart from discussing the thread title most of the time.
You have a strange belief, believing King David did not know God, according to your understanding of scripture. In my view it is an endorsement of your lack of understanding concerning the law under the NC

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Ok I will share a few more with you than I would appreciate it if we can discuss the OP. So far you want to talk about anything but the OP despite me asking you open another thread. So after the next few posts can we discuss the OP? I will respond to your larger post than back to the OP ok?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Now you are not going to be able to answer my question regarding King David are you, and I doubt you will be able to define what is and what is not wilfull sin.

If your asking did King David sin when he organized a murder of Bathsheba's husband and took Bathsheba to wife. Absolutely he did. Did King David repent of His sin? Absolutely he did (2Sam 12:13) Did David receive consequences for His sin? Absolutely (2Sam 12:10-14) 1 John 3:6 is in reference to someone in unrepentant sin and the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). When using the term willful it is referring to unrepentant sin.

Heb 10:26-27,
For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Now tell me, if David did not repent from his sin was he in a saved state or an unsaved state?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Interesting so according to your understanding of God's Word you believe the Gentiles can sin and be in a saved state?

Where is your scripture you have given none that says that God's people no longer need to keep God's 4th commandment as a Holy day and that it is abolished. You have given no scripture that says we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. God's Word clearly tells us if we break one of God's 10 commandments we are guilty of breaking all of his law and are in danger of the Judgement.

Jam 2:8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Jam 2:9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
Jam 2:10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jam 2:11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jam 2:12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Show me the scripture that says God's 4th commandment is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

In regards to your first paragraph. You are a gentile are you not, and you co.mit sin don't you?
But I will give you scripture to answer your point:

If while we seek to be justified in Christ it becomes EVIDENT that we ourselves are SINNERS, does this mean that Christ promotes sin?
Absolutely not! If I rebuild what I destroyed I prove I am a lawbreaker
Gal2:16&17

It appears, once again you disagree with Paul!

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I sincerely wish you could get away from just quoting the literal letter and having this view the letter must be faultlessly obeyed to be in a saved state/ righteous before God. However, only an act of God can open your eyes, no one on this website can. Indeed, only an act of God could have opened my eyes for i used to be as you are now in this regard.

Do you know what these scriptures mean?

Mat 6:22-23,
The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness.

John 1:5,
And the light shined in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

John 12:35-36,
Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth. While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light.

John 12:46
I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

Heb 10:26-27,
For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Let me make absolutely clear. Neither you, nor anyone else who goes to church on a Saturday or Sunday can obey the letter of the law. Paul states that letter kills, and those with their eyes opened understand that. You can follow after the Spirit of the law, but NOT obey the letter of the law.
Hence, when I repeatedly asked you if you ever commit any sin you always refused to answer the question.

No one is trying to obey the letter of the Law, especially not me and not one is telling you to. So what is your argument?