[POLL] Should Christians Rest and Keep Holy the Sabbath Day?

[stuart lawrence]

Where did LGW say that?

In another thread.
He states.
If you don't obey the TC it shows you dont love Jesus so you cannot be in a saved state.
And frankly, from all his writing that should be obvious anyway.
He told me repeatedly if I loved Jesus I would obey the TC, and many others have taken notice of those comments.
It's just a roundabout way of preaching righteousness by observing the law. For if you can only be in a saved state if you obey the TC, you can only be justified/ righteous before God if you obey the law

 

[stuart lawrence]

When people say:
You must obey the TC, with the inference heaven hinges in it. This normally involves not committing the physical act of adultery, have physical affairs, murdering, committing theft, taking the Lord's name in vain( though many dont seem to understand what that entails) Most excuse bearing false witness. And of course, churches like sda state you must set aside a set Saturday sabbath And of the people I have known who state you must obey the TC, this normally involves not drinking or smoking, or using foul language also.
The Pharisees of Jesus day would have passed all those tests with flying colours and they didn't know God!

 

[stuart lawrence]

There is the true spiritual message contained in the letter, and a shallow/ superficial understanding of the letter which believes you must look to and obey the law in order to obey God with the inference heaven hinges on it.

The power of sin is the law 1cor15:56

Hence:

For sin shall no longer be your master for you are not under law but under grace
Rom6:14

 

[stuart lawrence]

The true dividing line in Christianity is not according to denominational churches but the Holy Spirit. No one who accepts the fulness of the holy Spirit can water down the law of God from the pristene level it is set at, in order to believe they are in a saved state because they obey Gods laws

 

[LoveGodsWord]

In another thread.
He states.
If you don't obey the TC it shows you dont love Jesus so you cannot be in a saved state.
And frankly, from all his writing that should be obvious anyway.
He told me repeatedly if I loved Jesus I would obey the TC, and many others have taken notice of those comments

Hello Friend,

What you are accusing me of is not what I am saying at all. No one is saved by keeping the 10 commandments. God's Law only points out sin (1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). All I have said to you is that Jesus says...

"If you love me keep my commandments" John 14:15. These are the Words of Jesus to everyone.

None of us can obey God without faith in God's Word. It is by Faith that God writes His Law of Love in us so we can walk after the Spirit. Love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:1-4). This is the operation of God as we have Faith in His Words. If we are willfully and knowingly sinning against God however, we are not following him and do not know him (1 John 2:4).

Please do not accuse me of something I am not saying. I will leave this between you and God.

In Christ Always!

 

[stuart lawrence]

Hello Friend,

What you are accusing me of is not what I am saying at all. No one is saved by keeping the 10 commandments. God's Law only points out sin (1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). All I have said to you is that Jesus says...

"If you love me keep my commandments" John 14:15. These are the Words of Jesus to everyone.

None of us can obey God without faith in God's Word. It is by Faith that God writes His Law of Love in us. Love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit. This is the operation of God as we have Faith in His Words. If we are willfully and knowingly sinning against God however, we are not following him and do not know him (1 John 2:4).

Please do not accuse me of something I am not saying. I will leave this between you and God.

In Christ Always!

Can a person be In a saved state unless they obey the TC?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Can a person be In a saved state unless they obey the TC?

Is a person in a saved state when they are willfully and knowingly breaking any of God's 10 commandments?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Hello Friend,

What you are accusing me of is not what I am saying at all. No one is saved by keeping the 10 commandments. God's Law only points out sin (1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). All I have said to you is that Jesus says...

"If you love me keep my commandments" John 14:15. These are the Words of Jesus to everyone.

None of us can obey God without faith in God's Word. It is by Faith that God writes His Law of Love in us so we can walk after the Spirit. Love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:1-4). This is the operation of God as we have Faith in His Words. If we are willfully and knowingly sinning against God however, we are not following him and do not know him (1 John 2:4).

Please do not accuse me of something I am not saying. I will leave this between you and God.

In Christ Always!

Do you obey all of Jesus commandments in the Gospels? If you do not, according to your scriptural quote, does this prove you don't love Jesus?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Is a person in a saved state when they are willfully and knowingly breaking God's 10 commandments?

Please just answer the question.
Can a person be in a saved state unless they obey the TC?
The law God desires you to keep is written in your mind. Therefore you must know what is in your mind.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Is a person in a saved state when they are willfully and knowingly breaking God's 10 commandments?

Let me ask you a different question
Do you believe the leaders of the Christian church in the first century gave gentile converts a licence to sin, as they did not ask them to abstain from the Levitical unclean foods?(Acts ch15)
SDA believe that is active law under the NC, therefore you sin if you eat the Levitical unclean foods.
Can you answer this question?

 

[stuart lawrence]

The power of sin is the law 1cor15:56

What happens if you remove something's power? It must weaken!

Hence the born again Christians heartfelt desire to obey( for that is where the law has been placed) can now come to fruition. For what opposes obedience( sin) has been dealt a crushing blow by Christ dying to remove it's true power from the believers life( the law of righteousness)
Hence:
For sin shall no longer be your master for you are not under law but under grace
Rom6:14.

But.
Many keep looking to the letter of the law, and strive to obey it, in reality believing that is how they remain in a saved state/ righteous before God

As Jesus said:

Many after drinking the old wine don't want the new, for they say: The old is better
Luke5:39

 

[CDF47]

When people say:
You must obey the TC, with the inference heaven hinges in it. This normally involves not committing the physical act of adultery, have physical affairs, murdering, committing theft, taking the Lord's name in vain( though many dont seem to understand what that entails) Most excuse bearing false witness. And of course, churches like sda state you must set aside a set Saturday sabbath And of the people I have known who state you must obey the TC, this normally involves not drinking or smoking, or using foul language also.
The Pharisees of Jesus day would have passed all those tests with flying colours and they didn't know God!

The Scripture is clear that Christians ought to strive to live righteously. Scripture then defines what righteous living means. The poll question does not say must, it says should. We ought to strive to live righteously as described in the Scriptures.

 

[CDF47]

There is the true spiritual message contained in the letter, and a shallow/ superficial understanding of the letter which believes you must look to and obey the law in order to obey God with the inference heaven hinges on it.

The power of sin is the law 1cor15:56

Hence:

For sin shall no longer be your master for you are not under law but under grace
Rom6:14

Continue reading to Romans 6:16 to be obedient onto righteousness.

 

[CDF47]

The true dividing line in Christianity is not according to denominational churches but the Holy Spirit. No one who accepts the fulness of the holy Spirit can water down the law of God from the pristene level it is set at, in order to believe they are in a saved state because they obey Gods laws

True, the Law cannot save, only Jesus can.

 

[CDF47]

Hello Friend,

What you are accusing me of is not what I am saying at all. No one is saved by keeping the 10 commandments. God's Law only points out sin (1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). All I have said to you is that Jesus says...

"If you love me keep my commandments" John 14:15. These are the Words of Jesus to everyone.

None of us can obey God without faith in God's Word. It is by Faith that God writes His Law of Love in us so we can walk after the Spirit. Love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Romans 8:1-4). This is the operation of God as we have Faith in His Words. If we are willfully and knowingly sinning against God however, we are not following him and do not know him (1 John 2:4).

Please do not accuse me of something I am not saying. I will leave this between you and God.

In Christ Always!

I agree.

 

[CDF47]

Let me ask you a different question
Do you believe the leaders of the Christian church in the first century gave gentile converts a licence to sin, as they did not ask them to abstain from the Levitical unclean foods?(Acts ch15)
SDA believe that is active law under the NC, therefore you sin if you eat the Levitical unclean foods.
Can you answer this question?

I don't agree with the SDA on a number of things including their food and drink teachings. It is fine if people do not eat pork or shellfish or other unclean foods out of choice but they should not hold others to the same standard. It is fine if they just want to bear that additional yoke for the Lord.

 

[CDF47]

The power of sin is the law 1cor15:56

What happens if you remove something's power? It must weaken!

Hence the born again Christians heartfelt desire to obey( for that is where the law has been placed) can now come to fruition. For what opposes obedience( sin) has been dealt a crushing blow by Christ dying to remove it's true power from the believers life( the law of righteousness)
Hence:
For sin shall no longer be your master for you are not under law but under grace
Rom6:14.

But.
Many keep looking to the letter of the law, and strive to obey it, in reality believing that is how they remain in a saved state/ righteous before God

As Jesus said:

Many after drinking the old wine don't want the new, for they say: The old is better
Luke5:39

Living righteously and following the Holy Spirit takes a level of self control and a knowledge of what righteous is. The two greatest commandments define what righteousness is and the Ten Commandments hinge on those two greatest commandments.

I feel that if you believe the Ten Commandments lead to salvation then you are guilty of drinking the old wine but one should strive to live righteously. Jesus' burden is light.

 

[CDF47]

I think we are close to being on the same page. It is stated in Revelation 21:8, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Many of these are drawn from the Ten Commandments. Again, living righteously does require knowledge of righteous living spoken by God's Word and a level of self-control.

 

[stuart lawrence]

[Staff edit].

The scripture is clear, you die to the written code and follow after the holy spirit

 

[CDF47]

[Staff edit].

Personally, I strive to live righteously but I fall short to bear the perfect yoke Jesus was able to bear. I do what I can and I repent of my sins and weaknesses. Since I cannot bear this full yoke does not mean that I don't love Jesus. I love Jesus with all my heart, all my might, all my soul, and all my will.