[POLL] Should Christians Rest and Keep Holy the Sabbath Day?

[Hammster]

I don't understand how the Sabbath, as one of the 10 commandments, gets pushed off into Christian liberty territory.

Mainly because we are in Christ and He as fulfilled the Sabbath.

 

[Tree of Life]

Mainly because we are in Christ and He as fulfilled the Sabbath.

The Sabbath is not yet fulfilled. I would call this an over-realized eschatology.

 

[CDF47]

Hi guys well to be honest this poll does not prove anything. It is only the Word of God that matters. The 7th Day Sabbath has never been a Shadow of anything. Without taking away from this OP please see the thread on Col 2:14-17 PARTS 1-4 here

A Shadow is part of an unfinished work and the 7th Day Sabbath of creation has never been one.

GEN 2
1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Scripture context points:
* God finished all the work of creation on the 7th Day of the week (v1)
* God ended His Work on the 7th Day of the creation week and rested from all His work of creation, it was completed no more work required (v2)
* God blessed the 7th Day and set it apart as a holy day as a memorial of creation

Critical questions and answers:

When was God’s 7th Day Sabbath made, before the fall of mankind or after the fall of mankind?
It was made BEFORE the fall of mankind at the end of the creation week on the 7th Day and was the result of a FINISHED work!

Was God’s work of creation a FINISHED WORK or an UNFUNISHED WORK?
The 7th Day Sabbath was the result of the FINISHED AND COMPLETED WORK of creation!

When were God’s Laws and the laws of Moses given, before the fall of mankind or after the fall of mankind? Obviously AFTER the fall of mankind (Ex 20:1-17, Lev 23:1-44, etc) they were part of God’s plan of salvation.

So in summary the 7th Day Sabbath is a memorial of the FINISHED work of creation and if it is a FINISHED work and a memorial of God’s creation that was given BEFORE the FALL of mankind before SIN had entered the world and before the plan of salvation was given to FALLEN man. If it was a part of a FINISHED work then it cannot be a Shadow of salvation because a Shadow was part of an UNFINISHED work given in the laws of Moses and was given AFTER the fall of mankind where the Sabbath was made before the fall.

In Christ Always!

Absolutely, God's Word is what matters. I just wanted to see where people stand on this debated topic.

Some good points in your post. I think Paul meant the Sabbath rest is a shadow of Christ's peace and rest He brings to His people. I don't think that does away with the Sabbath. We are just not to judge others by it as we under the grace of God.

 

[Hammster]

The Sabbath is not yet fulfilled. I would call this an over-realized eschatology.

Okie dokie.

 

[CDF47]

The Sabbath is not yet fulfilled. I would call this an over-realized eschatology.

I agree

 

[CDF47]

Okie dokie.

He did not abolish the Law but fulfilled the Law (all 613 laws which the 10 Commandments are 14 of). He tells us to keep His Law (love God and neighbor). To do that the Moral Law is an instruction. Since we are under God's grace we should want to keep the Law to show God that we love Him as it is written in our hearts.

 

[CDF47]

There are things about the Sabbath command that I won't judge and things I will judge. I think the Sabbath command included ceremonial, moral, and typical aspects. Many ceremonial aspects have terminated in Christ but there remains moral and typical aspects. The Sabbath also contained rest elements and worship elements. It was not only a day of rest, but a day of holy convocation.

So I won't judge you if you practice the Sabbath on Saturday vs Sunday (vs Wednesday for that matter).

But if you do not attend worship once per week I will judge you for that.

Some good points. I agree with most of that.

 

[CDF47]

My view on the Colossian heresy is that they were Judaizers. Gnosticism arrives later than the NT and the NT nowhere mentions the Essenes. The Essenes were a remote group who were isolated from others and didn't live anywhere near Colossae.

That could be. I haven't thought of that.

 

[Hidden In Him]

My view on the Colossian heresy is that they were Judaizers. Gnosticism arrives later than the NT and the NT nowhere mentions the Essenes. The Essenes were a remote group who were isolated from others and didn't live anywhere near Colossae.

Ok, my answer there would be very long, and probably take at least 5-6 hours of work to respond to properly, so I'll just let it go.

But thanks for your response.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Do you mean Saturday in regard to keeping the sabbath day holy as in the seventh day in accordance with the wording of the fourth commandment?

The law God desires a believer to keep is written in their mind and placed on their heart by the Holy Spirit under the NC( Jeremiah ch31, heb chs8&10.
What is in your mind you in your mind must know, and what law is placed on your heart you in your heart must have heartfelt conviction you sin by wilfully transgressing it. For:
Through the law we become conscious of sin. Rom3:20
Therefore, strictly speaking you wouldn't need to read the letter of the Bible to know what sin is, you wouldn't have to refer to it to be convicted of sin.

I knew of my sin when I became a Christian for the law was placed in my most inward parts. I instinctively knew I should not have impure thoughts/ lust/ commit adultery/ lie/steal etc. I didn't have to refer to scripture to know that
But would you have conviction you sin by not observing a set Saturday sabbath without reading the OT law?
I don't think you would.

 

[Hammster]

He did not abolish the Law but fulfilled the Law (all 613 laws which the 10 Commandments are 14 of). He tells us to keep His Law (love God and neighbor). To do that the Moral Law is an instruction. Since we are under God's grace we should want to keep the Law to show God that we love Him as it is written in our hearts.

Mainly because we are in Christ and He as fulfilled the Sabbath.

I didn't say it was abolished.

 

[Steve Petersen]

Having voted, it should be noted that there is a big difference between 'should' and 'must.'

 

[stuart lawrence]

In regard to matt7:1&2
I guess anyone who states you must obey the TC to be in a saved state will be judged on that basis

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Obedience to God's Word is also not about must or should but LOVE. We love him because he first loved us and love is the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit. If the son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed because whoever commits sin is the servant of sin.

In Christ Always!

 

[Tree of Life]

Having voted, it should be noted that there is a big difference between 'should' and 'must.'

Those words are both imperatival and thus have the same meaning. Though you could say they have different nuances. "Should" could have a hypothetical-imperatival nuance while "must" could carry a categorical-imperatival nuance.

What do you see as the difference?

 

[Steve Petersen]

Those words are both imperatival and thus have the same meaning. Though you could say they have different nuances. "Should" could have a hypothetical-imperatival nuance while "must" could carry a categorical-imperatival nuance.

What do you see as the difference?

'Should' seems to suggest a preferred condition lacking a punitive aspect. 'Must' is an imperative that suggests consequences for failure to comply.

 

[Uber Genius]

First, did Jesus fulfill the law?

Second, what is the method of keeping God's law which is written on our hearts and revealed by the Holy Spirit?

Seems that for some the HS may call them to keep the intent of the sabbath. And others may not have that constraint based on the things the HS is doing in their spiritual formation at a particular time.

 

[CDF47]

Do you mean Saturday in regard to keeping the sabbath day holy as in the seventh day in accordance with the wording of the fourth commandment?

The law God desires a believer to keep is written in their mind and placed on their heart by the Holy Spirit under the NC( Jeremiah ch31, heb chs8&10.
What is in your mind you in your mind must know, and what law is placed on your heart you in your heart must have heartfelt conviction you sin by wilfully transgressing it. For:
Through the law we become conscious of sin. Rom3:20
Therefore, strictly speaking you wouldn't need to read the letter of the Bible to know what sin is, you wouldn't have to refer to it to be convicted of sin.

I knew of my sin when I became a Christian for the law was placed in my most inward parts. I instinctively knew I should not have impure thoughts/ lust/ commit adultery/ lie/steal etc. I didn't have to refer to scripture to know that
But would you have conviction you sin by not observing a set Saturday sabbath without reading the OT law?
I don't think you would.

Yes, Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. The Sabbath is time apart to rest and worship the Lord so knowing the Commandment it could be in the heart.

 

[CDF47]

I didn't say it was abolished.

I know you didn't. It just seemed a bit implied by your response. Sorry if I mistook your post.

 

[CDF47]

Having voted, it should be noted that there is a big difference between 'should' and 'must.'

Very true. I worded it as should on purpose.