the apocalypse

[Waterwerx]

You have to consider all of the Scripture when it comes to prophetic Babylon in conjunction with the fact that as a kingdom and city, it ceased to exist.

For starters, its not difficult to see that Revelation 17 and 18 are talking about two different "Babylons", or to be more accurate, "systems". The one in chapter 17 is referring to a religious system, which is destroyed by the 10 horns and is replaced by the antichrist himself as a god. Many of the false/pagan religions can be traced back to the Babylonian mystery religions which end up culminating into one universal religion during the tribulation period. The kings of the earth do not weep over its destruction.
The Babylon of chapter 18 is referring to a global commercial system controlled by and headquartered in a great city, and is destroyed AFTER the events in chapter 17( see Revelation 18:1 ), which causes the kings and merchants of the earth to weep.

For those saying Jerusalem is Babylon, you need to review the Scriptures. The land of Babylon is completely destroyed by fire from a northern confederation of nations and nobody will ever dwell there afterwards, which is contrary to what the Scriptures indicate for the future regarding the land of Israel.

Refer yourselves to the following Scriptures:
Isaiah 13
Isaiah 47
Jeremiah 50
Jeremiah 51

 

[victorinus]

For starters, its not difficult to see that Revelation 17 and 18 are talking about two different "Babylons", or to be more accurate, "systems".

chapter 17 says great city
chapter 18 says great city five times

 

[victorinus]

Babylon in conjunction with the fact that as a kingdom and city, it ceased to exist.

constantinople can be found no more at all

 

[Waterwerx]

chapter 17 says great city
chapter 18 says great city five times

And your hermeneutics is flawed because you're taking things out of context and assuming they are the same.
Revelation 6:2 says "white horse" and Revelation 19:11 says "white horse". By your reasoning, you could incorrectly say they both represent Christ physically returning based on the supposition that both verses mention "white horse", which of course would be a load of horse manure.
This is really not that difficult to see when you read both chapters in their entirety instead of focusing on one or two words like you did here.

 

[Waterwerx]

constantinople can be found no more at all

Its called Istanbul now. Did someone not get any sleep last night?

 

[victorinus]

SEE MY PROFILE PAGE FOR A LINK TO MY BLOG.
and my views on the apocalypse

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

SEE MY PROFILE PAGE FOR A LINK TO MY BLOG.
and my views on the apocalypse

Not when your post is the Mark of the Beast!

 

[victorinus]

post 666

 

[victorinus]

666 -
babylon the great - constantinople -
rider of the white horse - constantine - from the white sea (mediterranean)
rider of the red horse - mohammed - from the red sea
rider of the black horse - marx - from the black sea

my views

 

[Revealing Times]

You have to consider all of the Scripture when it comes to prophetic Babylon in conjunction with the fact that as a kingdom and city, it ceased to exist.

For starters, its not difficult to see that Revelation 17 and 18 are talking about two different "Babylons", or to be more accurate, "systems".

Wow, someone that actually gets it, basically. But I would venture to say it actually means two systems that both stand against God. A World Government System and her sister companion the Harlot False Religious System that covers all False Religions/gods/demi-gods of all time from Baal to Ashtoroth to Astrology to Islam etc. all.

The one in chapter 17 is referring to a religious system, which is destroyed by the 10 horns and is replaced by the antichrist himself as a god. Many of the false/pagan religions can be traced back to the Babylonian mystery religions which end up culminating into one universal religion during the tribulation period. The kings of the earth do not weep over its destruction.

Correct, but they do not just replace them without a struggle. I believe in the pre-rapture, so I think the Church is out of here, thus the 1/4 of mankind that are killed during the Four Horses or Four Seals will be Religious resistance to this Anti-Christ/Beast, 1.8 Billion will be murdered and I think most will be Muslims, to get control of this world, he has to tame the peoples like all dictators do, thus he has to tackle the Muslim problem, imho, he destroys Radical Islam first, that is how he gains CRED with much of the world including Israel. Then after he gets the upper hand, halfway through he pulls a fast one and reneges on all of his peace and security deals he has made and starts Conquering (First Seal). At this time he will bring all Religions to heel, and declare himself god, that is why Rev. 17 actually happens during Rev. chapter 6. So I see your thinking as pretty spot on. You just don't fill in the blanks as I have.

It is true, the Kings (Government) kills of all Religions to make way for the Anti-Christ GOD !!

The Babylon of chapter 18 is referring to a global commercial system controlled by and headquartered in a great city, and is destroyed AFTER the events in chapter 17( see Revelation 18:1 ), which causes the kings and merchants of the earth to weep.

Yes !! Babylon is World Government, as led by Satan/Babylon, the Head of Gold. However there is no GREAT CITY, its a Metaphor. Let me endeavor to explain it this way:

Rev. 17:1-2 is the Angel speaking about what he is going to show John.
Rev. 17:3-6 is the VISION that the Angel shows John. (IT ENDS in verse 6)
Rev. 17:7-18 is the Angel Explaining the VISION to John. Explaining who the BEAST and the WOMAN who rides the Beast is.

Rev. 17:18 is the Angel, telling John to think back at what he SAW BEFORE (in the Vision) The woman you SAW (In the Vision) is that GREAT CITY that reigns over the Kings of he Earth.

So going to back to what JOHN SAW what Great City would that be? BABYLON THE GREAT was what he would have seen on her forehead. EUREKA MOMENT. Revelation 14 speaks of Babylon Falling, Rev. 16:19 speaks of Babylon being defeated. Revelation 18 speaks of Babylon getting the Plagues of God. All three chapters are the exact same event. Rev. 16:19 end it, Rev. 17 and 18 ends with Armageddon, of course.

For those saying Jerusalem is Babylon, you need to review the Scriptures. The land of Babylon is completely destroyed by fire from a northern confederation of nations and nobody will ever dwell there afterwards, which is contrary to what the Scriptures indicate for the future regarding the land of Israel.

Babylon is all the World, the Plagues that hit the world do what? Burn the grasses and the trees.

Revelation 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. 8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; 9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the SHIPS were destroyed. 10And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

Revelation 16:3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea. 4And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood. 5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.

Babylon, is WORLD GOVERNANCE, what is being destroyed by these PLAGUES mentioned in Rev. 18 ? The WORLD is being hit by all of these Plagues of God. Not a CITY per se.

 

[victorinus]

found another interesting book on the apocalypse
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constantinople that great city

 

[victorinus]

in my blog I explain that Christ did not reign during the thousand years
- He was with those who reigned
-that is what rev 20 says

 

[victorinus]

I also explain the four horsemen in my blog

 

[victorinus]

SEE MY PROFILE PAGE FOR A LINK TO MY BLOG.
and my views on the apocalypse

in a blog you can present your views without them getting trashed

 

[victorinus]

found another interesting book on the apocalypse
-
constantinople that great city

half way through this book
it is interesting
he has mohammed as the rider of the pale horse
I have him on the red horse

 

[victorinus]

found another interesting book on the apocalypse
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constantinople that great city

this is the first book that I have found to recognize constantinople as that great city, babylon

 

[victorinus]

"that great city"

 

[victorinus]

A research in progress
- just google - constantinople can be found no more at all - you will find - the general history of the christian church - and - john baptist the angel of the apocalypse
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home

 

[victorinus]

john the baptist wrote the first apocalypse -
john the apostle added the churches, Jesus, and antipas

 

[Hal A Peno]

Revealing times said,

Wow, someone that actually gets it, basically. But I would venture to say it actually means two systems that both stand against God. A World Government System and her sister companion the Harlot False Religious System that covers all False Religions/gods/demi-gods of all time from Baal to Ashtoroth to Astrology to Islam etc. all.

There isn't a world government or global religion coming that encompasses all governments and religions.

Like all dictators do, thus he has to tackle the Muslim problem, imho, he destroys Radical Islam first

How does one man destroy radical Islam when the jihadist hide among the general population and scattered across the earth?