What is the "big picture" or point of scripture, or what is the whole of scripture trying to tell...

[Phantasman]

You and I disagree.

Irrelevant.
Ok, I don't think we have sufficient common ground. You appear to be willing to rip pages, chapters and books out of the Bible, if they don't agree with you, and therefore I don't trust you will ever submit to Scripture.

Correct. The catholic theology created the Bible to recreate the power of priests to have celestial authority. The very "gift" the devil offered Jesus in the desert, they accepted through the power of Rome. They were given the nations of the world. They repaired the Holy of Holies. And they adopted the very theology that killed Jesus. Kill and destroy (books/people) that disagree with your belief.

A Christian is lead by one person, Christ. The Holy Spirit speaks of one person, Christ. Stories of other men mean nothing to me. This after 35 years of study and prayer, and being Orthodox for half of them.

The disciples wrote of the Word. Paul wrote of the Word. The other Gospels wrote of the Word. They all fit and complement each other. The Christian movement of the first three centuries never included the Hebrew scriptures. The Gentiles never followed them, and they weren't needed. The Gospel stood on it's own.

Thank you for the debate.

 

[Dartman]

Correct. The catholic theology created the Bible to recreate the power of priests to have celestial authority.

Wrong.
The Bible is accurate, and condemns Catholic theology, hierarchy and liturgy.

The Catholics didn't exist as such for more than 200 years AFTER the Biblical canon was finished.

 

[Korean-American Christian]

The big picture of the Bible is nothing but a test.

If you are aware of the contradictory teachings within the Bible, is what led to many divisions (denominations) within Christianity.

In fact, Jesus told that He will divide humanity and well, that's exactly what the Bible is doing! The contradicting teachings in the Bible is dividing the Christians!

Scripture tells all of humanity that Jesus is who He claimed to be – God in the flesh. This is substantiated by His resurrection from the dead.

There are NO contradictory teachings in the Bible.

 

[Korean-American Christian]

There is one Truth, the Son. He is light and life. The Holy Spirit reveals him.

I completely agree with you on this one point - Jesus Christ is the one and only Truth.

Jesus Christ is the only way to God.

 

[Neogaia777]

I posted this in response to this question: "Do you think that keeping the ten commandments is important to salvation?"

In time, yes, with maturity and after the process of growth in Love...

But the OT law covenant does "at first" bring death of the Old spirit, the old self, and is the beginning of being born again into the New Covenant, and is the beginning of a process, the end of which, ends in keeping the OT law through observing, and following, and growing, and maturing, in Love. Which "process" is called sanctification, and is begun after the dying to the former self caused by the conviction brought about by the OT law covenant, and ends in fulfilling it, in the end, the end of the process of growing and maturing in Love...

You will not be able to do it, by trying to follow or observe or keep the OT law covenant, by observing it, and strenuously trying, in your own will, to keep it... But, only by following and observing and learning to walk in, and following Love only, which is the New covenant... (and of course faith and believing)...

And as far as keeping the OT law being important as it pertains to being saved, only God knows and can judge and can hold someone accountable as to where they are at or "should be" in keeping certain laws or rules or upholding a certain standard, and he will judge on an individual by individual basis, and the judgement will be different for each individual case...

God Bless!

 

[Korean-American Christian]

And as far as keeping the OT law being important as it pertains to being saved, only God knows and can judge and can hold someone accountable as to where they are at or "should be" in keeping certain laws or rules or upholding a certain standard, and he will judge on an individual by individual basis, and the judgement will be different for each individual case...
God Bless!

All who trust in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord are saved by grace and not by adhering to the OT law.

 

[Neogaia777]

All who trust in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord are saved by grace and not by adhering to the OT law.
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Like I said, if there is anything, ANYTHING that would be "required" of an individual, only God can judge...

There could be, or there might not be, depending on the individual case, that only God alone can know...

Matthew 5:17-20...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

All who trust in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord are saved by grace and not by adhering to the OT law.
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"If you love me (find a way, the way, my way) (to) keep the commandments..."

John 14:15...

God Bless!

 

[Dartman]

"If you love me (find a way, the way, my way) (to) keep the commandments..."

John 14:15...

God Bless!

Jesus was talking about NEW commandments, given to Jesus by Jehovah Himself. They were NOT the Mosaic Law, and they were NOT Jesus' words.
Deut 18:17-19 And Jehovah said unto me, They have well said that which they have spoken. 18 I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

John 12:49-50 For I spake not from myself; but the Father that sent me, he hath given me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is life eternal: the things therefore which I speak, even as the Father hath said unto me, so I speak.

John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my words: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me.

 

[Korean-American Christian]

"If you love me (find a way, the way, my way) (to) keep the commandments..." John 14:15...God Bless!

My seminary professor always says, "Context, context, context"

Looking at the context of the entire chapter (John chapter 14), we find that it is in fact Jesus who is saying "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments." (John 14:15)

Jesus only gave us TWO commandments:
Commandment 1 - and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.
Commandment 2 - The second is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” (Mark 12:30-31)

 

[Dartman]

My seminary professor always says, "Context, context, context"

Looking at the context of the entire chapter (John chapter 14), we find that it is in fact Jesus who is saying "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments." (John 14:15)

Jesus only gave us TWO commandments:
Commandment 1 - and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.
Commandment 2 - The second is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” (Mark 12:30-31)
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You are correct regarding the context, but Jesus actually states the commandments he gave are more specifically NOT his, they are his Father's.
And, the two commandments you have quoted are the foundation, NOT the total!!

 

[jimmyjimmy]

What is the "big picture" or point of scripture, or what is the whole of scripture trying to tell us...?

What simple message is the whole of it trying to convey...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

The gospel. "For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified."

 

[Halbhh]

What is the "big picture" or point of scripture, or what is the whole of scripture trying to tell us...?

What simple message is the whole of it trying to convey...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

It's all about faith. Hebrews chapter 11 helps to review faith in the Old Testament, and if you read through the Gospels, you see Christ working to build faith itself among the disciples over and over.

 

[Daniel9v9]

We shall love the Lord our God with all our heart and with all our soul and with all our mind. Namely, through faith in Jesus Christ. In Christ we are to love our neighbor as ourselves, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that the Lord have commanded us.

 

[Dartman]

Perhaps the ultimate "big picture" is; all of this is for Jehovah/YHVH God's pleasure;
Rev 4:10-11 The four and twenty elders fall down before Him that sat on the throne, and worship Him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for Thou hast created all things, and for Thy pleasure they are and were created.

 

[Marilyn C]

Perhaps the ultimate "big picture" is; all of this is for Jehovah/YHVH God's pleasure;
Rev 4:10-11 The four and twenty elders fall down before Him that sat on the throne, and worship Him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for Thou hast created all things, and for Thy pleasure they are and were created.

Hi Dartman,

That`s good and fits in with this scripture -

`For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.` (Col. 1: 16)

Marilyn.

 

[Dartman]

Hi Dartman,

That`s good and fits in with this scripture -

`For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.` (Col. 1: 16)

Marilyn.

There is a VERY close relationship between Jehovah/YHVH God, who is the creator of the universe (Rev 4:10-11), and His servant/son Jesus, who is the creator of the thrones, dominions, principalities and powers of Paul's era, and ours Col 1:12-20! In fact, both the Lamb (Jesus), and his God that "sitteth upon the throne" are honored in;
Rev 5:9-13 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. 11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. 13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

 

[Marilyn C]

There is a VERY close relationship between Jehovah/YHVH God, who is the creator of the universe (Rev 4:10-11), and His servant/son Jesus, who is the creator of the thrones, dominions, principalities and powers of Paul's era, and ours Col 1:12-20! In fact, both the Lamb (Jesus), and his God that "sitteth upon the throne" are honored in;
Rev 5:9-13 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. 11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing. 13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Hi Dartman,

Remember Hebrews - God....has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds.` (Heb. 1: 2)

Now there is a procession in regard to the activities of the Godhead.

Divine Procession.

Godhead - At the source there is the provision by the whole Godhead,

Father - with the initial movement of the Father;
Son - the administration of the Son;
Holy Spirit - and the direct agency of the Holy Spirit.

Thus we can see that indeed it is through the Son that He made the three realms -
- the third heaven,
- the Universal heavens.
- the Atmospheric heavens & the earth.

regards, Marilyn.

 

[faroukfarouk]

The Lord Jesus is the living and eternal Word, and He and His work at the Cross form the central message of the written Word.

 

[EllyGrace7]

What is the "big picture" or point of scripture, or what is the whole of scripture trying to tell us...?

What simple message is the whole of it trying to convey...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

The big picture, according to what I know and have come to understand, is that man is like a child - stubborn and often bent on enacting his own will. This fact has led to sin; the creation of sin and all things opposite to love. The bible is a love story if you will, showcasing the lengths God has gone to in order for us to be saved of our ignorance and imperfections. Like a Father, which He is, He has rebuked us and guided us. He has even been forced to destroy whole cities for us.... And in the end, He has laid down His life for us through Jesus Christ.

The bible, documents clearly all of humanity's downfalls, yet in comparison glorifies God's perfection. And what/who is God? God, He is love. God has fought long and hard for us to realise this fact, and to understand that He wishes to purge the hatred and disobedience from us. For, when Adam and Eve first sinned, they shunned God's love and they decided to follow their own ways which are of course flawed and far from perfect.

Simplified: We are young children often swayed by that which is inconsequential - leading to destruction, but... God is old and wise and long-suffering, and has fought to save us from ourselves since the very moment we were first created by His loving hands. We are His children, and we are dearly loved!

1 John 4:8 - He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

1 John 4:16 - And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 John 4:19 - We love him, because he first loved us.

1 Corinthians 13:4 - Charity suffereth long, [and] is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

1 John 4:9-10 - In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. (Read More...)

Romans 5:8 - But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

1 John 4:7 - Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

John 13:34 - A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.