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Solomon summarized it pretty well; Eccl 12:13-14 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
 
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Solomon summarized it pretty well; Eccl 12:13-14 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
OT, before any knowledge of the New that does not expect the impossible of us, if you mean the OT law... Not, if you mean the point of the NT or the point of the entirety of scripture which is this:

1 Timothy 1:5-7...

5- Really, the objective of this mandate (the point of the gospel or good news that we are to get to and get out of it) is this: Love out of a clean, pure heart and out of a good, clear conscience (not being hypocritical) and out of, or by faith (trusting and believing in Love) without or free from hypocrisy... (Not being fake or hypocritical or showing partiality) in this (mandate, objective, goal)...

6- By deviating from these things (this) certain ones have been turned aside (missed this) into idle (futile, pointless, meaningless) talk...

7- wanting to be teacher's (of law, or doctrine or philosophy or other teachings) but not perceiving either the things they are saying or the things about which they are making strong assertions... (having no real insight or true understanding into such things or, not knowing what they are talking about)

Love free from Hypocrisy (partiality) is what the real definition of keeping the commandments is...

God Bless!
 
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What is the "big picture" or point of scripture, or what is the whole of scripture trying to tell us...? What simple message is the whole of it trying to convey...? Comments...? God Bless!

You must not like how I present it every day.

Matthew 7:12
In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you.
For this is the essence of the Law and the prophets. Enter through the narrow gate.

For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, and only a few find it.


1 According to the NT
2 the golden rule sums up the OT
3 and is the narrow Gate to God and life.
 
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You must not like how I present it every day.

Matthew 7:12
In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you.
For this is the essence of the Law and the prophets. Enter through the narrow gate.

For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, and only a few find it.


1 According to the NT
2 the golden rule sums up the OT
3 and is the narrow Gate to God and life.
Yes, if you ever get to point where your perfect in love then you will be fulfilling the OT law, or at least the ten commandments, without even thinking about it... But not necessarily during the process of getting there, but only at it's completion in you, both covenants becoming complete at the same time (at that time)...

And what is "doing unto others as you would have them (like to have them anyway) do unto you", other than loving perfectly...?

God Bless!
 
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Yes, if you ever get to point where your perfect in love then you will be fulfilling the OT law, or at least the ten commandments, without even thinking about it... But not necessarily during the process of getting there, but only at it's completion in you, both covenants becoming complete at the same time (at that time)...
And what is "doing unto others as you would have them (like to have them anyway) do unto you", other than loving perfectly...?
God Bless!

There is no need, or possibility, of humans to fulfill the OT law.
Treating others, as you would treat yourself, is full love.
Do this, and you are saved.
The only way to avoid heaven is to hate the Holy Spirit.
It is the Holy Spirit that teaches you to treat others well.
If you hate the message, then "To hell with you."
 
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What is the "big picture" or point of scripture, or what is the whole of scripture trying to tell us...?

What simple message is the whole of it trying to convey...?

The big picture of the Bible is nothing but a test.

If you are aware of the contradictory teachings within the Bible, is what led to many divisions (denominations) within Christianity.

In fact, Jesus told that He will divide humanity and well, that's exactly what the Bible is doing! The contradicting teachings in the Bible is dividing the Christians!
 
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The big picture of the Bible is nothing but a test.

If you are aware of the contradictory teachings within the Bible, is what led to many divisions (denominations) within Christianity.

In fact, Jesus told that He will divide humanity and well, that's exactly what the Bible is doing! The contradicting teachings in the Bible is dividing the Christians!
Sheep from Goats...

God Bless!
 
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What is the "big picture" or point of scripture, or what is the whole of scripture trying to tell us...?

What simple message is the whole of it trying to convey...?

Comments...?

God Bless!

Hi Neogaia,

I believe God sums it up Himself -

`God...made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth - in Him.` (Eph. 1: 9 & 10)

We can get so `us` focussed that we miss God`s great purpose - Christ.

regards, Marilyn.
 
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If you are aware of the contradictory teachings within the Bible, is what led to many divisions (denominations) within Christianity.

You not attending church and Sunday class in different churches, I imagine,
you are not aware the differences of beliefs are greater in one church
than they are between denominations.

In one church you have non-believers attending.
Comparing denominations they all have huge commonalities.
 
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What is the "big picture" or point of scripture, or what is the whole of scripture trying to tell us...?

What simple message is the whole of it trying to convey...?

Comments...?

God Bless!


Dartman, said it well -

Solomon summarized it pretty well; Eccl 12:13-14 13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.



To that I will add:


The Bible teaches and instructs us into the will of God for mankind, preparing us for eternity.

IOW, from the beginning, we see the choice for mankind to either follow and obey the Lord, or follow and obey Satan.


16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17


  • Instruction is righteousness.

The bible instructs us as to how to live our lives and do what is right in the eyes of God.


My signature also sums up what we are to understand about scripture, about His words, and doing what He says. The doctrine of Christ. The teaching of Christ.


Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you. 1 Timothy 4:16


“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? Luke 6:46


If we expect to have a healthy relationship with the Lord, whereby we hear His Voice and are led by His Spirit, we need to fulfill this crucial principle that says:


And if you have not been faithful in what is another man’s, who will give you what is your own?
Luke 16:12


If we expect to hear the voice of God for ourselves, then let's be faithful and show God we are diligent to study to show ourselves approved with the words He has given to other's: The scriptures.




JLB
 
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OT, before any knowledge of the New that does not expect the impossible of us, if you mean the OT law...
Hmmmm... then I take it you disagree with Jesus and the apostles, who all believed the Old Testament, and commanded us to study, and understand "the Scriptures"??
Mark 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,


Neogaia said:
Not, if you mean the point of the NT or the point of the entirety of scripture which is this:

1 Timothy 1:5-7...

5- Really, the objective of this mandate (the point of the gospel or good news that we are to get to and get out of it) is this: Love out of a clean, pure heart and out of a good, clear conscience (not being hypocritical) and out of, or by faith (trusting and believing in Love) without or free from hypocrisy... (Not being fake or hypocritical or showing partiality) in this (mandate, objective, goal)...

6- By deviating from these things (this) certain ones have been turned aside (missed this) into idle (futile, pointless, meaningless) talk...

7- wanting to be teacher's (of law, or doctrine or philosophy or other teachings) but not perceiving either the things they are saying or the things about which they are making strong assertions... (having no real insight or true understanding into such things or, not knowing what they are talking about)

Love free from Hypocrisy (partiality) is what the real definition of keeping the commandments is...

God Bless!
Of course!
That's perfectly compatible with Solomon's conclusion!
 
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The big picture of the Bible is nothing but a test.
If you left out the phrase "nothing but" you would be correct. The Bible IS a test, but it is MUCH more than that.
It is God inspired.
It is perfectly accurate history.
It is a perfectly accurate perspective of the real world we see every day.
It is a perfectly accurate prediction of the real world/universe for eternity.

timewerx said:
If you are aware of the contradictory teachings within the Bible, is what led to many divisions (denominations) within Christianity.
There are no contradictory teachings in the Bible. There are PEOPLE looking for excuses, that distort the Scriptures.

timewerx said:
In fact, Jesus told that He will divide humanity and well, that's exactly what the Bible is doing! The contradicting teachings in the Bible is dividing the Christians!
No, the evil motives people have, cause them to distort the Scriptures, and invent contradictions.
Oh, I am aware there are some translation errors, but those are easily sorted out .... if you are searching for TRUTH, rather than searching for excuses.
 
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There are many scriptures. There is one Truth, the Son. He is light and life. The Holy Spirit reveals him.

The OT doesn't edify Jesus, the one who glorified the true God, the Father. Neither does some NT books. The big picture comes together when the Gospel books work with each other. This is the place (I believe) where the Holy Spirit works.

The Canon Gospels (emphasis on John) comes alive with scriptures like the Gospels of Philip, Thomas, Mary and others. They show a more complete truth of Christ (Gospel) than the OT, a time before truth came.

The "angel of light" lives in the Bible. The Gospels exposes him, because Christ is the (true) light. Through Christs word, we find the truth, but only if we seek it. A true seeker seeks everywhere, and not just where men say it is. The truth is hidden within the Bible as well as outside of it.
 
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If you left out the phrase "nothing but" you would be correct. The Bible IS a test, but it is MUCH more than that.
It is God inspired.
It is perfectly accurate history.
It is a perfectly accurate perspective of the real world we see every day.
It is a perfectly accurate prediction of the real world/universe for eternity.

There are no contradictory teachings in the Bible. There are PEOPLE looking for excuses, that distort the Scriptures.

No, the evil motives people have, cause them to distort the Scriptures, and invent contradictions.
Oh, I am aware there are some translation errors, but those are easily sorted out .... if you are searching for TRUTH, rather than searching for excuses.

The OT and Gospel can in no way combine. They create a "middle" where man should never be. You cannot serve two masters. Jesus said that the fathers of the Jews (Hebrews) didn't get their bread from Heaven. And that he was the only truth from Heaven. Those following the OT died. Those following Christ (Gospel) attain life. The Bible is division. And Christ brought the sword of division.

The Jews were following a liar and murderer, which was evident by their murder of Jesus.

Orthodoxy misleads man.
 
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The OT and Gospel can in no way combine.
Jesus and the apostles disagree with you, and so do I. The Gospel is precisely the same from creation to infinity (Gal 3:8, Rev 14:6), there are merely slight differences in the specific laws Jehovah has commanded from time to time.
Phantasman said:
They create a "middle" where man should never be.
Hogwash.
Phantasman said:
You cannot serve two masters. Jesus said that the fathers of the Jews (Hebrews) didn't get their bread from Heaven. And that he was the only truth from Heaven.
True, but unrelated.
Phantasman said:
Those following the OT died.
We still have cemeteries today, and everyone ends up there.
Phantasman said:
Those following Christ (Gospel) attain life.
Not without those faithful in the OT;
Heb 11:39-40 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Phantasman said:
The Bible is division. And Christ brought the sword of division.

The Jews were following a liar and murderer, which was evident by their murder of Jesus.

Orthodoxy misleads man.
True, but not in the sense you are teaching. The Bible IS division, between the Righteous and the Wicked. Both OT and NT generated MILLIONS of Righteous, and BILLIONS of Wicked. MOST of the Jews rejected Jesus, and by doing so, became pawns of Satan, this is in no way the fault of the OT, any more than sinners today can blame the NT.
 
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Jesus and the apostles disagree with you, and so do I. The Gospel is precisely the same from creation to infinity (Gal 3:8, Rev 14:6), there are merely slight differences in the specific laws Jehovah has commanded from time to time.
Hogwash.
True, but unrelated.
We still have cemeteries today, and everyone ends up there. Not without those faithful in the OT;
Heb 11:39-40 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

True, but not in the sense you are teaching. The Bible IS division, between the Righteous and the Wicked. Both OT and NT generated MILLIONS of Righteous, and BILLIONS of Wicked. MOST of the Jews rejected Jesus, and by doing so, became pawns of Satan, this is in no way the fault of the OT, any more than sinners today can blame the NT.

First, Revelations is not the Gospel message. Scholars cannot even agree on who wrote it. Second, Hebrews author is unknown. But it does do one thing the Gospel and Pauls letters do not do. It glorifys the Priest as well as attempts to combine Abraham, Moses and other Hebrews that knew not the (true) God, the Father, as knowing the Father. Abraham said he saw God and heard God, Jesus said no man has heard or seen God at anytime. Jesus already says that they did not receive their bread from heaven. Hebrews is a book written by a catholic sympathizer.

Cemeteries are where the dead bury their dead. They glorify the bodies and attract the ignorant.

You are confused by a one line synopsis in Galatians Paul wasn't speaking of the Gospel, but of faith.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.


The law saves no one. Christ saves.

The young rich man followed everything in the (old) law since his birth, and still didn't receive heaven.

The disciples and apostles taught the Gospel (words of God), not the Bible.

OT- Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man

Gospel-Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Jesus words doesn't include the law anywhere.
 
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First, Revelations is not the Gospel message.
You and I disagree.

Phantasman said:
Scholars cannot even agree on who wrote it.
Irrelevant.
Phantasman said:
Second, Hebrews author is unknown. But it does do one thing the Gospel and Pauls letters do not do. It glorifys the Priest as well as attempts to combine Abraham, Moses and other Hebrews that knew not the (true) God, the Father, as knowing the Father. Abraham said he saw God and heard God, Jesus said no man has heard or seen God at anytime. Jesus already says that they did not receive their bread from heaven. Hebrews is a book written by a catholic sympathizer.
Ok, I don't think we have sufficient common ground. You appear to be willing to rip pages, chapters and books out of the Bible, if they don't agree with you, and therefore I don't trust you will ever submit to Scripture.
 
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