Evening (Sunset) and Morning (Sunrise) = 1 Day

[YHWH_will_uplift]

You really must learn to read what people write. I simply asked if there are any academic writings on this issue that you know of. The answer, instead of the hundreds of wasted words on here, should have been quite binary: yes or no. Had it been 'yes' I would have asked for the information so that I could follow up the subject matter and see how other people have dealt with it. Had the answer been 'no', I would have followed the thread and maybe exited it after a while, which is what I shall now do

I'm sorry you can't understand that I've only used the Bible as my source of information and inferred and deducted from the text.

 

[AbbaLove]

Why should Jesus' observance of a 12 Hour Sabbath be unusual?

No where in the Brit Chadashah can you find any reference to Yeshua and His Disciples observing the Day Of REST (Shabbat) for only 12 hrs (e.g. sunrise to sunset) in contrast to the Pharisees observance from sunset to sunset (24 hrs).

If there was a timeline difference Peter and the Disciples would have likely asked Yeshua ... "Why do we observe Shabbat for only 12 hours instead of 24 hours from sunset to sunset?" It's also likely that Paul would have also made mention of any Shabbat timeline difference between Jewish believers in Mashiach Yeshua (e.g. sunrise to sunset 12 hrs) in contrast to the Pharisees and Sadducees (sunset to sunset 24 hrs).

You haven't provided any scriptural proof that Yeshua ever made mention or implied that it was only necessary that the Day Of REST (Shabbat) be observed for 12 hrs instead of 24 hrs from sunset to sunset.

NO BIBLICAL PROOF EXISTS THAT MASHIACH YESHUA WAS
OPPOSED TO THE AGE OLD CUSTOM OF OBSERVING
A DAY OF REST FROM SUNSET TO SUNSET

So Why Should Messianics Believe You
Instead Of Mashiach Yeshua?
​

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

No where in the Brit Chadashah can you find any reference to Yeshua and His Disciples observing the Day Of REST (Shabbat) for only 12 hrs (e.g. sunrise to sunset) in contrast to the Pharisees observance from sunset to sunset (24 hrs).

If there was a timeline difference Peter and the Disciples would have likely asked Yeshua ... "Why do we observe Shabbat for only 12 hours instead of 24 hours from sunset to sunset?" It's also likely that Paul would have also made mention of any Shabbat timeline difference between Jewish believers in Mashiach Yeshua (e.g. sunrise to sunset 12 hrs) in contrast to the Pharisees and Sadducees (sunset to sunset 24 hrs).

You haven't provided any scriptural proof that Yeshua ever made mention or implied that it was only necessary that the Day Of REST (Shabbat) be observed for 12 hrs instead of 24 hrs from sunset to sunset.

NO BIBLICAL PROOF EXISTS THAT MASHIACH YESHUA WAS
OPPOSED TO THE AGE OLD CUSTOM OF OBSERVING
A DAY OF REST FROM SUNSET TO SUNSET

So Why Should Messianics Believe You
Instead Of Mashiach Yeshua?
​

How the world has been deceived by the darkness.

 

[Lulav]

No where in the Brit Chadashah can you find any reference to Yeshua and His Disciples observing the Day Of REST (Shabbat) for only 12 hrs (e.g. sunrise to sunset) in contrast to the Pharisees observance from sunset to sunset (24 hrs).

If there was a timeline difference Peter and the Disciples would have likely asked Yeshua ... "Why do we observe Shabbat for only 12 hours instead of 24 hours from sunset to sunset?" It's also likely that Paul would have also made mention of any Shabbat timeline difference between Jewish believers in Mashiach Yeshua (e.g. sunrise to sunset 12 hrs) in contrast to the Pharisees and Sadducees (sunset to sunset 24 hrs).

You haven't provided any scriptural proof that Yeshua ever made mention or implied that it was only necessary that the Day Of REST (Shabbat) be observed for 12 hrs instead of 24 hrs from sunset to sunset.

NO BIBLICAL PROOF EXISTS THAT MASHIACH YESHUA WAS
OPPOSED TO THE AGE OLD CUSTOM OF OBSERVING
A DAY OF REST FROM SUNSET TO SUNSET

So Why Should Messianics Believe You
Instead Of Mashiach Yeshua?
​

I don't see the OP as telling anyone they have to believe it or not. He is only sharing an insight he's had.

 

[Northwest Savant]

I'd love to hear input from others concerning this topic. This new understanding has been a tremendous blessing to me and my family.

If you live in Fairbanks, Alaska during the summer months, how many parts and moments would you have in a day since the sun never sets? (or at night in the winter since the sun never rises?)

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

No where in the Brit Chadashah can you find any reference to Yeshua and His Disciples observing the Day Of REST (Shabbat) for only 12 hrs (e.g. sunrise to sunset) in contrast to the Pharisees observance from sunset to sunset (24 hrs).

I beg to differ. Yeshua from His own mouth declared we have only twleve hours in a day. This is an assumption on your part that a twenty four hour day was observed by the Pharisees. If in fact every little detail needed to be corrected then it stands that Yeshua saw that they were not going against the twelve hour day period. But does this really matter? Jesus said that unless our righteousness exceeds the outward show of righteousness of the Pharisees then we will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. That being said do not hold these men any higher than our Lord Yeshua held them in His sight.

If there was a timeline difference Peter and the Disciples would have likely asked Yeshua ... "Why do we observe Shabbat for only 12 hours instead of 24 hours from sunset to sunset?" It's also likely that Paul would have also made mention of any Shabbat timeline difference between Jewish believers in Mashiach Yeshua (e.g. sunrise to sunset 12 hrs) in contrast to the Pharisees and Sadducees (sunset to sunset 24 hrs).

Again more assumptions in your part. Jesus not His apostles saw the need to justify themselves on every point of doctrine.

You haven't provided any scriptural proof that Yeshua ever made mention or implied that it was only necessary that the Day Of REST (Shabbat) be observed for 12 hrs instead of 24 hrs from sunset to sunset.

NO BIBLICAL PROOF EXISTS THAT MASHIACH YESHUA WAS
OPPOSED TO THE AGE OLD CUSTOM OF OBSERVING
A DAY OF REST FROM SUNSET TO SUNSET

So Why Should Messianics Believe You
Instead Of Mashiach Yeshua?
​

There is no need to hear it from his mouth again after He stated that a day is only tweve hours in duration. Instead it is on us to correctly understand the definition of a day according to Genesis 1. So no one needs to believe me: they only need to dismantle that I'm wrong concerning what I said: therefore if one can prove that not mixing light and darkness is not wrong then it stands that a day is twenty four hours and not twelve. Yet, this would be impossible as one would have to explain the lights in the heaven appearing at times which contradict a twenty four hour period.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

If you live in Fairbanks, Alaska during the summer months, how many parts and moments would you have in a day since the sun never sets? (or at night in the winter since the sun never rises?)

This is an easy problem to solve. We can simply apply the same logic in finding the unknown side of a triangle: if one knows the angle of two sides then one may find the angle of the third side. The first side is in the first three days of Creation Week: light and darkness; and evening and morning passed by with no problem: therefore the number of parts of day and night were determined from the first day. The second side is in the fourth day of Creation Week. The luminaries were given to us as signs for times, seasons, days, and years. Now to find the third side we simply take the knowledge we have from the areas where the luminaries rise and set and apply them to where they do not rise or set and then we have our parts for the days and nights.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

​

Do you really expect us to believe that it was only recently that you came to the "revelation" that it is the sun and not the moon that tracks the days.

If you read what I wrote correctly I was touching on my understanding of the function of the luminaries and the day and night and how they work together and are each twelve hours in duration.

I attended a one room rural school house for the first six years of my public education. Even before 1st grade there was an understanding that it's the sun that tracks the days from sunrise to sunset. Common sense told me that a day begins at sunrise and ends at sunset.

Yeah if you're so proud of your common sense then why do you go against it by observing the day beginning at sunset instead of sunrise?

Certainly you aren't suggesting that Yeshua and His Disciples only observed the Sabbath for 12 hrs; while all of Israel observed the Sabbath for 24 hrs. Where in the Gospels did Yeshua ever, ever imply that the Sabbath REST need only be observed from sunrise to sunset (12 hrs) instead of sunset to sunset (24 hrs). So, the Sabbath day of Rest is 24 hours; while a 12 hr day is from sunrise to sunset. If you only want to observe the Sabbath for 12 hrs ... that's your thing.

Hmmm...if I remember correctly all of Israel relapsed into idolatry while Moses was on Mount Sinai. And I remember from Jesus' time here on earth that He and the disciples were observing the Sabbath correctly while the rest of Israel was not? Why do you so in surprised at this? You forget that Israel has been a stiffnecked country for thousands of years now: There for only the true Israel will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.

Furthermore are you implying that YHWH's creation over six days was during 12 hrs of daylight or 24 hrs of daylight? Do you believe the first 12 hrs of nighttime didn't begin until after the 6th day? If that is what you believe then why shouldn't the Sabbath begun at dusk.

According to the mouth of Jesus a day is only twleve hours in length: therefore when we apply this logic to the creation week it stands that God only worked during the daylight hours and not the night hours: that is twelve hours of daylight. After the twelve hours of daylight ceased the twleve hours of night began. There are not twenty fours of daylight. I have made clear already that this practice stems from Egpyt and Babylon mixing the day and night periods together. This practice goes against the very definition of a day in Genesis 1. A man cannot serve two masters.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

@Lulav Did you finish reading my post? What are your thoughts regarding it and what I said in reply to you?

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

I hoped that there would be more sincere responses regarding this topic and not just people trying to trip me up in words. Are we all going to hide like turtles in a shell? Where are those who truly wish to know the truth and carry it out? Or have we become men pleasers? Do we offer lip service to God now? We all have stories of coming out of false churches. Are we going to sit here now and be comfortable in our own filth? Or will we wash ourselves completely clean? Has anyone looked at the Euphrates river lately? Its drying up quickly and the end is near: why're we wasting time by hold onto old errors?

 

[AbbaLove]

I don't see the OP as telling anyone they have to believe it or not. He is only sharing an insight he's had.

And yet he can't provide any Biblical scripture to support his hypothesis that Yeshua and His Disciples observed the 6th Day Of Rest (Shabbat) for 12 hrs of darkness ... Evening (Sunset) and Morning (Sunrise) = 1 Day ... as his Thread Title suggests. Neither has he yet provided any Biblical scripture that 1st Century Jewish Believers were to observe Shabbat for only 12 hrs from sunset to sunrise.

I'm sorry you can't understand that I've only used the Bible as my source of information and inferred and deducted from the text.

And yet you can't provide find Biblical scripture to support your hypothesis that Shabbat is not to be observed from sunset to sunset.

According to the Title of your Thread ... Evening (Sunset) and Morning (Sunrise) = 1 Day ... that time period is what we now refer to as nighttime. Certainly you aren't suggesting that the 6th Day Of Rest (Shabbat) should be observed only for 12 hrs of nighttime and not the following 12 hrs of daylight. So, why are you so opposed to Jews at the time of Yeshua observing Shabbat from sunset to sunset?

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

And yet he can't provide any Biblical scripture to support his hypothesis that Yeshua and His Disciples observed the 6th Day Of Rest (Shabbat) for 12 hrs of darkness ... Evening (Sunset) and Morning (Sunrise) = 1 Day ... as his Thread Title suggests. Neither has he yet provided any Biblical scripture that 1st Century Jewish Believers observed Shabbat for only 12 hrs.

And yet you can't provide find Biblical scripture to support your hypothesis that Shabbat is not to be observed from sunset to sunset.

According to the Title of your Thread ... Evening (Sunset) and Morning (Sunrise) = 1 Day ... that time period is what we refer to as nighttime. Certainly you aren't suggesting that the 6th Day Of Rest (Shabbat) should be observed only for 12 hrs of nighttime and not the following 12 hrs of daylight. So, why are you so opposed to Jews at the time of Yeshua observing Shabbat from sunset to sunset?

How truly ignorant you are. Observing Sabbath a day early mixing not only two different periods of time, but also mixing days together. You are still confused because you do not understand that evening does not equal night time. Night is when there is no longer light. Therefore in my opening statement I said that was wrong for committing the error you just made. If morning is the beginning of the day light and evening is the end of daylight, then how can night time be included with the day time? It cannot if you keep these two periods separate. And I only said in my conclusion that Sabbath is to be observed as stated in scripture: on the 7th Day (e.g. Saturday) and only during the day light.
I'm only opposed to error. I could care less if the whole world observed Sabbath from sunset to sunset: scripture is clear about when the day starts and ends, and the length of its duration. I've provided all the scripture you and everyone else needs to weigh the evidence. Anyways if you went to be petty then I won't stoop to your level.

 

[Lulav]

OK Guys, I really would like to participate in this thread, as a member but you can't keep calling names and flaming, so please stop it now and go back and edit your posts. Let's be a good example of how Yeshua wants us to act towards each other, the world is watching.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

OK Guys, I really would like to participate in this thread, as a member but you can't keep calling names and flaming, so please stop it now and go back and edit your posts. Let's be a good example of how Yeshua wants us to act towards each other, the world is watching.

I'm sorry sister but, I don't recall reading any name calling.

 

[Northwest Savant]

I hoped that there would be more sincere responses regarding this topic and not just people trying to trip me up in words. Are we all going to hide like turtles in a shell? Where are those who truly wish to know the truth and carry it out? Or have we become men pleasers? Do we offer lip service to God now? We all have stories of coming out of false churches. Are we going to sit here now and be comfortable in our own filth? Or will we wash ourselves completely clean? Has anyone looked at the Euphrates river lately? Its drying up quickly and the end is near: why're we wasting time by hold onto old errors?

Well, ok, here goes....
It's not related to whether one observes the Sabbath at sunset or sunrise, but as to when a day begins......
Joshua 8:29:
And he hanged the king of Ai on a tree until evening. And at sunset Joshua commanded, and they took his body down from the tree and threw it at the entrance of the gate of the city and raised over it a great heap of stones, which stands there to this day.
Why? Because:
Deuteronomy 21:22-23:
And if a man has committed a crime punishable by death and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, his body shall not remain all night on the tree, but you shall bury him the same day, for a hanged man is cursed by God. You shall not defile your land that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance.

Joshua was obeying God's commandment that the body had to be buried the same day it was hung on the tree. That means it had to be buried before sunset. The next day begins at sunset, and includes the daylight hours.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Well, ok, here goes....
It's not related to whether one observes the Sabbath at sunset or sunrise, but as to when a day begins......
Joshua 8:29:
And he hanged the king of Ai on a tree until evening. And at sunset Joshua commanded, and they took his body down from the tree and threw it at the entrance of the gate of the city and raised over it a great heap of stones, which stands there to this day.
Why? Because:
Deuteronomy 21:22-23:
And if a man has committed a crime punishable by death and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, his body shall not remain all night on the tree, but you shall bury him the same day, for a hanged man is cursed by God. You shall not defile your land that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance.

Joshua was obeying God's commandment that the body had to be buried the same day it was hung on the tree. That means it had to be buried before sunset. The next day begins at sunset, and includes the daylight hours.

How can the day begin at sunset when by its very nature sunset is the conclusion of the day? By nature morning is the beginning of the day. Not only does nature prove this but, this nature was established according to Genesis 1:14-19. The passage above stating that the body must be buried the same day indicates that evening and morning are part of the day and not the night. So, you have failed to prove that the day begins at evening. Remember before speaking hastily that the sun--not the moon--is out during the day. Of course this line of reasoning is only clear when one does not mix up the light and dark periods, nor falsely correlate evening with night.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

And it seems many have failed to look at the gospel accounts clearly. For in them it is written that our Lord was visited by the women in the morning and appeared to the apostles that same day in the evening: therefore this evidence destroys sunset to sunset observance, and all other observances which do not observe the day from sunrise to sunset.

 

[AbbaLove]

Let's be a good example of how Yeshua wants us to act towards each other, the world is watching.

I could care less if the whole world observed Sabbath from sunset to sunset: scripture is clear about when the day starts and ends, and the length of its duration.

So, what then is your point when there is an awareness that 12 hrs of "daylight/daytime"" is from sunrise to sunset and furthermore you contend that: "I could care less if the whole world observed Sabbath from sunset to sunset."

Isaiah 66:23
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

​

So, what then is your point when there is an awareness that 12 hrs of "daylight/daytime"" is from sunrise to sunset and furthermore you contend that: "I could care less if the whole world observed Sabbath from sunset to sunset."

Isaiah 66:23
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

You and others really aren't making the connections are you? The days and years are connected to the motions of the luminaries in heaven:

12 Constellations
12 Months
12 Hours

360 Degrees
360 Days
36 Moments

1 Week = 7 Days
Pleiades = 7 Sisters

4 Winds of Heaven
4 Corners of the Earth
4 Cardinal Directions
4 Seasons

Circle of the earth (see Isaiah)
Compass on the face of the deep (see Proverbs)

Why 12? 1 Chronicles 27:1-15 tells us that there are only twelve months in the year which are numbered after the 12 Sons of Israel. Israel (formerly Jacob) was a type of Christ and, his sons were a type of the apostles: therefore Jesus chose His 12 Apostles. It is due to the 12 Sons that we know that there are twelve hours day and twelve hours night and, this is confirmed by Jesus' own mouth (John 11:9).

And please stop misquoting me. And your passage from Isaiah only proved that all in heaven will still be observing the Sabbath: it does not prove that the day begins at sunset.
When Moses writes "And the evening and the morning were the first day". It does not follow that evening came first and then morning: it only follows that both make up a day. If it stated that "And the evening [to] the morning were the first day". then it follows that evening precedes the morning. But, this would be impossible as by your own testimony you observed that according to nature the day begins at sunrise and ends at sunset:

Day
Morning (Beginning of Day)
Noon (Middle of Day)
Evening (End of Day)
____________________________
Night
Moonrise (Beginning of Night)
Midnight (Middle of Night)
Moonset (End of Night)

We see that there is indeed a clear separation that God has made between these two periods: our confusion over time is a result of mixing light and darkness together: and this we got from following the footsteps of Babylon and Egypt. It is well documented for all to read that we owe our reckoning of time to Babylon; and that our modern Gregorian calendar finds its roots in Egypt's 365 Day Solar calendar; the modern Hebrew calendar finds its roots in Babylon. What will not be told to you is that these two nations led man further astray from God's Solar Calendar of 364 Days. The math is easy enough to prove and reconcile with scripture.

 

[visionary]

Just think the Sabbath has no daylight according to this presentation... hence it is just a rest at night.