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Evening (Sunset) and Morning (Sunrise) = 1 Day

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by YHWH_will_uplift, Jul 21, 2017.

  1. YHWH_will_uplift

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    New revelation has been given to me in the understanding of Genesis 1:1-5. I have argued in the past with some that the day begins in the morning: I still hold to that. In the past I was mistaken for falsely correlating the evening with Darkness/Night. Why does it matter?

    God tells us plainly through Moses that He separated the Light from the Darkness: this is to indicate that these two periods of time are never to be mixed. In Genesis 1:14-19 we read that the sun rules over the day and the moon and stars rule over the night and, they divide the light from the darkness (cf. Psalms 136:7-9). The sun rules the day meaning that the morning is when the Sun rises from the east to mark the beginning of the day; noon is when the Sun is at its highest point in the sky to mark the middle of the day in the north; and, evening is when the Sun sets in the west to mark the end of the day: therefore Evening and Morning are only part of the time when the Sun is out. By the time the Sun is completely gone then it is no longer evening (i.e. the day time) but, night time.

    As I did more research into the length of a day I found that during the period of Christ and all the way back to Adam a day was measured by counting the time between sunrise and sunset. Jesus' statement of 1 Day = 12 Hours (see John 11:9) means that a day is always twelve hours in length and this number of hours never changes: it is the length of each of these hours which change throughout the year: in like fashion the number of months in a year is always twelve and never changes: for these numbers are according to twelve sons of Israel (1 Chronicles 27:1-15) but, the length of each month does. This same logic applies to the Night as well.

    Upon further research I learned that Babylon and Egypt were the first two nations to mix the periods of day and night together: and it is to these two whom we owe our modern reckoning of 24 Hours = 1 Day. The problem with this is that God separated the Light from the Darkness: therefore what God has divided let no man unite; and what God has united let no man divide. This mixing of Light and Darkness by the Bablyonians and Egyptians is one of many reasons why God tells us to not go back to them and to come out of them. It is clear from scripture that God never included the night time to be counted with the day time! And how we have missed such an obvious fact! Therefore we sin if we measure a day from sunset to sunset; sunrise to sunrise; midnight to midnight; or day and night: scripture tells us that a day is always measured from sunrise to sunset:

    Evening and Morning = 1 Day
    Sunset and Sunrise = 1 Day

    How do we correlate Jesus' statement with what we read from Enoch who says that 1 Day = 18 Parts (1 Enoch 72:10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 20, 22, 24, 26, 28, 30, 32, 34) and Moses who says that 1 Day = 36 Moments (Jasher 88:63-64)? The heavenly lights travel in a circle as observation of their motions in the sky reveals that all objects conform to the shape of area they are traversing. The heavenly lights then traverse a circle of 360° in circumference therefore:

    360° ÷ 12 Months = 30° per Month
    360° ÷ 04 Seasons = 90° per Season


    Each degree therefore equals one day:

    360 Days ÷ 12 Months = 30 Days per Month
    360 Days ÷ 04 Seasons = 90 Days per Season

    The day is a smaller circle within the year which we may divide up in like fashion as the year:

    36 Moments ÷ 18 Parts = 2 Moments per Part
    36 Moments ÷ 12 Hours = 3 Moments per Hour
    36 Moments ÷ 4 Divisions = 9 Moments per Division

    In short this means that moments are greater unit of time than parts. Parts are a greater unit of time than hours. And hours are a lesser unit of time than that of parts and moments. It stands then that we must not measure the hours according to our modern reckoning of the hour which we inherited from Babylon as nature has proven that an hour is not always sixty minutes in duration. Instead let us just look up at the sky as our forefather Adam did.

    What this means for us concerning the Sabbath Day is that we only observe the Sabbath when the Sun is out and rules the Day/Light.

    In conclusion it is clear that the day begins in the morning and not the evening: for the evening is the end of the day while the morning is the beginning of the day. I have provided clear evidence that the sun and moon and stars keep track of the hours, days, and years by acting as signs for the seasons: nothing else. We are never to mix the Light and Dark seasons together to make up one day. The only acceptable form of measuring the day is from the time between sunrise and sunset. Keeping track of the day according to scripture is much simpler than tracking it the way man has failed to do many times.
     
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  2. YHWH_will_uplift

    YHWH_will_uplift Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I'd love to hear input from others concerning this topic. This new understanding has been a tremendous blessing to me and my family.
     
  3. Heber Book List

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    Can you show any academic assessment / agreement with your theory?
     
  4. Dave-W

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    Those words can make my blood run cold ....
     
  5. YHWH_will_uplift

    YHWH_will_uplift Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Dude, don't take those words so hard man...what's wrong with saying I got some insight?
     
  6. Dave-W

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    History.

    9 times out of 10 when someone says that they come up with something so outlandish that it could not be from God at all.
     
  7. YHWH_will_uplift

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    And why should that matter? There is much academic work proving the existence of God and the Bible. The truth needs no support as it always contradicts others while not contradicting itself. Falsehood always contradicts others and itself.
     
  8. YHWH_will_uplift

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    Right...and what is outlandish with the evidence I presented?
     
  9. Ygrene Imref

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    Very interesting.

    Time does seem to be an important concept to God, and the practice of faith.

    I don't believe time exists as we understand it. Most people use the second (and, therefore minutes, hour and then days) to measure time. But, I don't think God wanted this for us: I think He wanted us to use the cosmos painted on the dome of our surface for time - that the evolution of movement of those "founded" elements in the sky are to be our timepiece (not a Timex, or Julian/Gregorian/Mayan/Babylonian.... calendar.)

    In additiln, it seems the very Hebrew of the words (such as "choshek, yom, tobu, bohu, and or") suggests a fundamental evolution of events that determine elements of time. The word "day" in Hebrew has meanings that extend beyond "the hot part of the day," for example - especially in the context that these "days," and "light" existed without a sun, moon and stars for at least "three 'days'".

    I will post some more later, but I want to think about your post a bit more. As your breakdown suggests, there is something more to "time" as we know it - according to the spirit/God.

    In physics, the second is defined in terms of an evolution of events - an "agreed upon" number of quantum transitions in an isotope. The "accuracy" of atomic clocks, for example, measuring the number of these transitions is based on arbitrarily defining a number that we equate to the SI unit of time. In reality (and, this is part of my actual research,) time exists as a consequence of an evolution of events - it is events that define time, not he other way around.

    I will be back.
     
  10. Heber Book List

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    I can not see anyone claiming that there is no academic work proving the existence of G_d and the Bible (why on earth is the word 'Bible' in italics?).

    The Bible says, very clearly, that we should weigh everything - to not do so diminishes the value of what is said. If an idea can not be submitted to peer review then maybe it might be better not to make public statements of 'fact', do you not think, especially as comment was requested in the OP?
     
  11. YHWH_will_uplift

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    Nice reply. I never closed the off possibilities for reply with my statement. Please weigh the evidence for yourself and challenge it by all means. I never said that there was not academic evidence proving the existence of God: only that regardless of the academic support: many choose not to believe in the existence of God.
     
  12. Lulav

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    HI,

    Can you review your post so that it reads correctly? I think you meant the moon and stars rule over the night.

    I didn't continue reading because I'd like to give you the opportunity to go over the long post to make sure your point is clearly seen.

    I am a big proponent of the separation, I do believe that is the main theme of the Torah.
     
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  13. YHWH_will_uplift

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    Thanks sister. I just caught that before you posted. It has been corrected.
     
  14. Ygrene Imref

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    Peer review is a horrible barometer for the spirit, don't you think?

    Throughout the bible we see examples of (academic and pedestrian) peers acting more like satans to men of God than objective sources of information. Moreover, it was the Pharisees and teachers - the best of academics - with whom Christ had the most discipline to shell out. Often times the authority and hegemony of academia was overly indulgent and proud, arrogant, and self absorbed. They didn't help; they exploited, manipulated and hoarded everything - including the secrets of the universe God gives to His people freely.

    They even tried to call the literal breathing Word of God a liar!


    In reality, and frequently, it was the alleged "ignorant, udesirable derelict of society" that understood the Word of God and it's appropriateness better than the ones who were supposed to be educating them.

    And, that seems to be a motif with God: taking what the world thinks is ignorant and low, magnifying it and at the same time revealing the glory of God. Ideally, it would humble those who felt they were better than the next man in the comparative or superlative. (But, that didn't happen.)

    I wouldnt be so quick to depend on the "peer review process" of academia to vindicate matters of the spirit: that is the Holy Spirit''s job. Even if the OP said everything he said was pure objective fact from the mouth of the word of God Himself, it would still be our responsibility - not academia - to discern that.
     
  15. YHWH_will_uplift

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    Yes brother time is very important to God as He created it for us to use and understand. You are right in that events define time: stories are a great example of this as it has a beginning, middle, and an end. "In the beginning[...]" indicates that time is created and that before it was created only eternity existed: therefore Genesis 1:1-5 implies that time, spirits, the heavens, the earth, the seas, the darkness, and the light were all created on the first day. And since we know that God is Light: it follows that the day began in the light: therefore the time which the day begins is with the appearance of Light; and the period of time when the day ends is the disappearance of Light and the appearance Darkness. It stands that God remained consistent with this when He created the luminaries on the fourth day.
     
  16. Heber Book List

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    With respect, that is not a sensible view to take. It is reasonable to ask another person if they are aware of any studies on the issue they have raised for debate, having put themselves out in the open to all and sundry and asking for comments.

    Given that I did not pronounce one way or the other on the viewpoint of the OP, I find the above post, a diatribe against any who study scripture, seriously, to be really insulting.

    No doubt Lulav, the Moderator, will be able to sort out this unwarranted attack.
     
  17. Ygrene Imref

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    This was nowhere near an attack. It is a matter of fact: would you like me to post the verses that back it up?

    If you think that was my attack on academia or the structure of the review process, then you most certainly haven't seem my posts. It was neither a personal attack, or an attack on an entity.

    All I was trying to say was that sometimes "regular" people have prophecies and revelations from God that the rest of the "learned" would scoff at. God even says he does this on purpose.
     
  18. YHWH_will_uplift

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    If you strongly believe I have erred then point out the error and correct it: don't rely on others to do it for you.
     
  19. visionary

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    So what do you do with the day to evening period?
     
  20. YHWH_will_uplift

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    I was confused with this too but, I found there was no need to be confused as morning to evening is one day: the day period which you speak of is when the light is completely out; the morning is the first appearance of light; and, the evening is the disappearance of light.
     
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