Humans did NOT evolve from Apes...

[Subduction Zone]

The last time we discussed this you failed miserably, so you don't get to waste any more of my time.

TBD, however has not done that as of yet so, giving benefit of the doubt still.

Please, no false claims. You know that that was not the case.

You complaining about the theory of evolution is akin to a person that eats a hamburger and then complains about cows being butchered. You rely on it, just as the person eating meat relies on the butcher, and yet you complain about it.

If you put your money where your mouth is you would avoid modern medicine, and quit using any sort of fossil fuel, directly or indirectly.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Examples of what? Morphological traits that show the evolution from S. trulla to S. hystrix?
Rib density
Spine morphology
Rib formation
Muscle scars
Shape (juvenile vs adult and the way shape changes throughout ontogeny)
Shell micro-textures

It's literally a project in progress. If you want a completed project (or literally dozens), check out those textbooks

The textbooks? Na, too much opinion to derive facts that in fact are not fact at all because they are based on opinion. They just never prove a thing to me, this is why I wanted you to take it step by step, and not with the bits an pieces you offer, but wrap up how your evidence proves evolution.

I can see now that's not going to happen, but thanks for your time.

 

[miknik5]

Your response doesn't really apply to literally anything I've said.

It does

If we had naturally done what we were naturally designed to do every thing would have been exactly as it should be

 

[miknik5]

Of course I can't speak for apes going outside of their natural design and order and doing unnaturally what they should not do

but we know mankind has

 

[TBDude65]

The textbooks? Na, too much opinion to derive facts that in fact are not fact at all because they are based on opinion. They just never prove a thing to me, this is why I wanted you to take it step by step, and not with the bits an pieces you offer, but wrap up how your evidence proves evolution.

I can see now that's not going to happen, but thanks for your time.

No one can help you understand any of this if you don't have patience to actually study it. I'm sorry I can't explain, in limited words, a complex scientific theory. I don't know anyone who can. That's why we have textbooks. And if you think scientific conclusions are merely opinion, then your issues with science run deeper than you'll probably ever recognize

 

[TBDude65]

It does

If we had naturally done what we were naturally designed to do every thing would have been exactly as it should be

Considering there is no evidence to demonstrate this assertion, I have no reason to believe it's true. I'll stick to evidence-based facts (like you being an ape)

 

[Kenny'sID]

Please, no false claims. You know that that was not the case.

Again, you failed miserably, and in part with comments just like that, when "the case" was right ther for all to see. It was actually quite bizarre and I'll be happy to point it out so we can all read through and see how you evaded all my questions, time and time again, then turned around and said my stating you did was a false claim, when it all was right there for all to see.

It's actually somewhat entertaining, and would tip most readers off how you blatantly deceive and into not even bothering to discuss things with you any more than I will now..

 

[Kenny'sID]

I'm sorry I can't explain, in limited words, a complex scientific theory.

You don't have to, but if you can't explain, regardless the amount of words, that's certainly a problem, as no one seems to be able too.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Again, you failed miserably, and in part with comments just like that, when "the case" was right ther for all to see. It was actually quite bizarre and I'll be happy to point it out so we can all read through and see how you evaded all my questions, time and time again, then turned around and said my stating you did was a false claim, when it all was right there for all to see.

It's actually somewhat entertaining, and would tip most readers off how you blatantly deceive and into not even bothering to discuss things with you any more than I will now..

I seriously doubt it you can do that. You may have failed so badly at so many claims that I demanded that you learn what is and what is not evidence before you made any more demands of me. When I get bored and tired of creationists that have no concept of how science is done I will sometimes put that minimal prerequisite on them.

But go ahead, give it your best shot.

 

[TBDude65]

You don't have to, but if you can't explain, regardless the amount of words, that's certainly a problem, as no one seems to be able too.

I think you mistake an inability to explain with an inability to understand. You want to go from ignorant to fully informed in one step, but that's not how knowledge and learning work. Whatever shortcut you're looking for, doesn't exist. So either you're exceptionally naive, or you've no honest intentions to learn. I've met too many theists in the latter category to waste any more time with you.

If you're sincere, take a class or study those textbooks. If you're not, expect to have your dishonesty called out

 

[Subduction Zone]

You don't have to, but if you can't explain, regardless the amount of words, that's certainly a problem, as no one seems to be able too.

The problem is that to even start you must demonstrate that you can learn. Otherwise he would be wasting his time.

And I am sure that you are mentally able to learn, but odds are that you won't let yourself learn. I have see that time after time with creationists.

A good faith gesture would be to learn what evidence is. He did give you evidence for evolution. You may not have recognized it but that is what he gave you.

 

[Aman777]

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; (Heb-being) the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Was Adam made TWICE? Of course he was. Adam was made physically from the dust of the ground on the 3rd Day before the plants herbs and trees. Gen 2:4-9 AND Adam was "created" in God's Image or in Christ Spiritually. Gen 1:27 Adam (mankind) is STILL being created in God's Image today.

47The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

The Lord is NOT second in anything. He has preeminence or First Place in EVERYTHING in Creation, in the verse below. The second Adam is the born again Adam who is now like the Lord for he has been made a Spiritual Being, an Eternal Being, in Christ.

Col 1:18 And He is the head of the body, the church: Who is the beginning, the first born from the dead; that in ALL things He might have the preeminence.

48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

First, Adam was made from the dust of the ground by Lord God but like all men, he must be born again by the Trinity (God) in order to enter Heaven. The second Adam is as sure for Heaven as Jesus. God Bless you

 

[miknik5]

Considering there is no evidence to demonstrate this assertion, I have no reason to believe it's true. I'll stick to evidence-based facts (like you being an ape)

I'm not an ape

 

[TBDude65]

I'm not an ape

Unless you are an animal outside the Hominidae family that has somehow attained the knowledge of the English language necessary to communicate on the internet (or are a really convincing AI), then you my friend, are an ape

Don't worry, I'm sure they're just as upset to know that they're related to us

 

[Kenny'sID]

I think you mistake an inability to explain with an inability to understand. You want to go from ignorant to fully informed in one step, but that's not how knowledge and learning work. Whatever shortcut you're looking for, doesn't exist. So either you're exceptionally naive, or you've no honest intentions to learn. I've met too many theists in the latter category to waste any more time with you.

If you're sincere, take a class or study those textbooks. If you're not, expect to have your dishonesty called out

iOW you can't explain...Got it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm not an ape

All human beings are apes. By claiming that you are not an ape you are also claiming that you are not a human being.

 

[miknik5]

Adam can't quicken me by HIS SPIRIT

Nor can anyone be baptized into Adam
Nor would they want to be

 

[miknik5]

All human beings are apes. By claiming that you are not an ape you are also claiming that you are not a human being.

Don't worry about it
I am claimed

 

[Subduction Zone]

Don't worry about it
I am claimed

You really should try to avoid writing nonsense posts

 

[Aman777]

And believe me, I am not confused who CHRIST is in relation to Adam

At all

Are you bellowing into the wind as one old crotchety fellow used to post? Or can you tell us WHEN Jesus came into the physical world, in your view? God Bless you