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My YEC Evidence Challenge

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OK. So you know more about what Jesus valued than they do. Does it give you pause that you are elevating yourself above millions of Christians?
The issue is what the bible says. On that front, I rock. As for people that don't know the bible, or believe it, or whatever, I am not interested in them. If they are saved, they'll find out one day.

I should hope my position would be obvious even to some as unskilled with logic as you!
It is. Pompous platitudes.


You can learn about David Hume!
He can learn about me.

What if the Bible was written under a different regime of reality where up is down and black is white? How do you know it wasn't?
Then Jesus would not have stamped it with approval.

Also I love your typo there, that "now He is on the same page" as you. LOLOL.
He is.
(Is God guiding your hand in typing your posts as He must have guided the hands of the authors of the Bible?)
Straining at nats and swallowing camels of godless science isn't sexy.
 
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To get to Heaven, yes.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

But as far as worship goes, that's another matter.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

So what does the worship do if it isn't required to get into Heaven?
 
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Blind Watchmaker is Richard Dawkins. There is nothing wrong with the definition. It sounds like you have a problem with Stephen Meyer. If there is a problem with the definition, then show it. That being since the definition is taken from Dawkins book. Blind Watchmaker.

Wow, you really are incapable of communicating clearly. Go and read post 1061 again. You said:

"Our dispute with evolution comes with this definition. Stephen Meyer.

6. “Blind watchmaker” thesis: the idea that all organisms have descended
from common ancestors solely through an unguided, unintelligent,
purposeless, material processes such as natural selection acting on ran-
dom variations or mutations; that the mechanisms of natural selection,
random variation and mutation, and perhaps other similarly naturalistic
mechanisms, are completely sufficient to account for the appearance of
design in living organisms.


Besides, there are overlaps and differences in accounts. Evolution by the above definition is pure fiction.
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First, if it is from Richard Dawkins, why did you put Stephen Meyer's name on it?

Secondly, I never said I had a problem with that definition. You presented that as a definition and then claimed it was fiction. I asked you to support your claim that it is fiction.

Stop trying to twist the conversation.

It is. The Evos have not demonstrated it happened as they state. Either universal common descent or blind watchmaker evolution. They have not proved their positive. You can only prove negatives philosophically. Squared circles, married bachelors.

Rubbish. You can't argue that evolution is false simply because no one has proven it correct.

(BTW, there is a HUGE amount of evidence showing that evolution is correct.)

What they have is an atheistic interpretation of the history of life here. What they do is fit the evidence into their narrative.

You demonstrate yet again that you have no idea how science works.

Don't get your information about science from creationist propaganda mills.

Also, ignore evidence that does not fit their narrative.

Want to give me some actual evidence to support this claim, or do you think just make baseless claims is a good way to make a point?

Life requires a living cause, for example, in favor of unscientific postulates all life from nonlife only.

Is God alive?

Life is evidence. Life needs a living cause. The effect is evidence of the cause, and you are evidence of your parents, not a rock absent your parents. Enough of the double standards. Now provide empirical evidence for life arising from nonlife.

Are amino acids alive?

You can't reasonably show it is a fact. You need to reasonably prove your positive.

Once again, you resort to the childish, "I'm right because you can't prove I'm wrong!"

If you claim the evolution is impossible, you must show me WHY it is impossible!

I have multiple times.

Show me even a single post where you have presented an explanation of why some aspect of evolution is flawed.

What none of the atheists on here have done is produced one shred of evidence for their blind faith beliefs all life here is from nonlife. That is just for starters.

So you get to claim that your position is correct without having to provide a single shred of evidence for it, purely because those who disagree with you have not explained it to you to your satisfaction?

Wow, that's an amazingly bad argument.

But that logic, I have proved that there is no God many times over!

''Undirected processes cannot produce the exquisite complexity of the living cell.''

And I've said it many times before, and it seems that some people are unable to grasp this simply fact: EVOLUTION IS NOT RANDOM.

''If you wish to assert that the bacterium, along with all its nanotechnology, genetic information processing system and enormous amount of pre-loaded digitally encoded information, are the results of unguided processes then the burden is on you, not us.''

And evolution explains it very nicely.

The fact you don't understand evolution does not invalidate evolution.

It just means you need to be better educated about things before you start talking about them.
 
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So what does the worship do if it isn't required to get into Heaven?
It draws us closer to God, closer to each other, and defines who we are among the secular world.

If you draw a triangle and put God at the top and His worshippers on the sides, as they draw closer to God, they draw closer to each other.
 
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It draws us closer to God, closer to each other, and defines who we are among the secular world.

If you draw a triangle and put God at the top and His worshippers on the sides, as they draw closer to God, they draw closer to each other.

But how the worship is done doesn't really make any difference, so long as you all believe in Jesus?
 
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Sure, but they never post! You post claiming they know. Circular.

They never post? Do you know what a peer reviewed scientific paper is?

Or do you demand that they post it HERE? Are you claiming science is wrong because the scientists don't post their papers on Christian Forums?

What you claim existed in the far past has nothing to do with anything real we see in any room on earth.

Are you resorting to this pathetic argument again?

Religion? Evolution is religion.

And are religions a good or bad thing?
 
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I know chess players that believe in deep time.

How does that make them play any better?

The petroleum geologists don't get results if they go with creationism. They do get results if they go with the scientific explanation.
 
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What God teaches us as we mature, is to be patient. You have not left this Earth yet, so there is still time for God to act. Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. God Bless you

Once again, you make excuses for why someone can try the same thing you tried and reach a different conclusion.

"You tried the same thing as me, but reached a different conclusion? Maybe you didn't do it right. Maybe you weren't sincerely trying. Maybe you didn't wait long enough."

Funny how you never say, "Hang on, maybe I'm wrong! Maybe I should look at the other person's point of view and see if it has any merit!"

After all, I've looked at the Christian point of view. Why can't you do the same?
 
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But how the worship is done doesn't really make any difference, so long as you all believe in Jesus?
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
 
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They never post? Do you know what a peer reviewed scientific paper is?
Post one that deals in wha nature existed in the far past on earth? Do you know you can't?
Or do you demand that they post it HERE?
The folks who claim it is posted should at least be able to support their claims with links and specific quotes.

And are religions a good or bad thing?
The ones that deny creation and Jesus are bad.
 
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The petroleum geologists don't get results if they go with creationism. They do get results if they go with the scientific explanation.
Are you saying creationists would push the wrong buttons or pull the wrong levers?

I've seen creationists and evolutionists work side-by-side on jobs, whose beliefs don't interfere (or enhance) their work.
 
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Are you saying creationists would push the wrong buttons or pull the wrong levers?

They wouldn't even be in the right areas to drill.

I've seen creationists and evolutionists work side-by-side on jobs, whose beliefs don't interfere (or enhance) their work.

Not so much in geology. Sure there are a few geologists who are creationists but they usually don't do much in petroleum geology to my knowledge. Usually once they decide they are a Creationist they go off and start their missionary work telling everyone how they are a creationist. (It's easier than doing the work).

Now, of course, I can't know what's in the heart of everyone...but old earth geology has been pretty standard in the field for >200 years now. Maybe even closer to 300 years.

Now, perhaps if there was another living human being who believed as you do that the earth is really old but just created 6000 years ago with age magically sprinkled in there such that it is, effectively, an OLD EARTH then you might have a point. But I've never met anyone who actually believes that other than you. (And I'm guessing you don't know many actual geologists so...)
 
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They wouldn't even be in the right areas to drill.
Are you serious with this?

So vibrator or thumper trucks won't run if a creationist is behind the wheel?
 
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Yes, they're qualified to drive trucks.
Franky, I don't go with that "creationists can't find oil" bologna.

Marco Polo found oil ... without thumper trucks.
 
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