My YEC Evidence Challenge

[dad]

No significant disagreement?

Is that why there are so many denominations of Christianity?

List of Christian denominations - Wikipedia

How many have the position Adam was not created on day six?

 

[AV1611VET]

How many have the position Adam was not created on day six?

Not I.

 

[joshua 1 9]

And we should just listen to what they tell us without question?

If you want to graduate you have to be able to give them the answers they want. My son never much got into the discussions on this when he was in school because he just did not have the time. Esp back in High School when everything was free.

 

[joshua 1 9]

How many have the position Adam was not created on day six?

2 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing

The Bible talks about when "God finished the work". Not how long a day was. 6,000 years ago in the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve was a finished work. God saw that what He did was good.

 

[Aman777]

Highly entertaining. Keep it up.

Thank you very much. I believe in the Dolly Parton Principle. She says "If you have something to say, say it....and then duck. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

This has what to do with the day of creation when Adam was created? Each day had a specific set of things created in it. The general time or day the creation week happened has nothing to wo with what day man was created.

No. THE earth was created day one. Heavens too.

The day plants were created was day three and of course they grew. What did you think they would do...swim or fly?

Not sure you comprehend what you posted.

So He made seeds or plants or whatever before He put them on earth..so? That would have been day three.

Yes He did, and we know when...the sixth day.
Yes. Just because plants were made before being planted...remember the garden was planted?...doesn't mean man was here.
Man was created day six, so Adam was not put anywhere before that.
No. You misunderstood the verse as well as conflated the creation days because you try to make chapter 2 something other than a further explanation of what already had happened.

Sorry dad, but you just wasted an entire post by preaching your own personal ideas with NO support from Scripture. Go back and read my post and then TRY to refute the Scripture I posted. Otherwise, the entire world would have to beat a path to YOUR door in order to find out what you thought, instead of what is actually written in the Bible. Such hubris is usually found in Cult leaders trying to get their followers to believe in them, instead of Scripture. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. Do we know of some other day in creation week other heavens were made?

The above verse is speaking of the end of the present 6th Day when ALL of the heavens and Earths are finished, which in Hebrew means brought to perfection. Notice also that Heaven is filled with ALL of it's "host" which includes ALL Christians. Sorry, but you have misunderstood the verse. Try again?

 

[TBDude65]

New to this (incredibly long) thread. I haven't seen any YEC evidence presented yet. Can anyone point me to a post that presented any?

 

[dad]

2 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing

The Bible talks about when "God finished the work". Not how long a day was. 6,000 years ago in the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve was a finished work. God saw that what He did was good.

A morning was an evening and a morning. He specified.

 

[dad]

Sorry dad, but you just wasted an entire post by preaching your own personal ideas with NO support from Scripture. Go back and read my post and then TRY to refute the Scripture I posted. Otherwise, the entire world would have to beat a path to YOUR door in order to find out what you thought, instead of what is actually written in the Bible. Such hubris is usually found in Cult leaders trying to get their followers to believe in them, instead of Scripture. God Bless you

I pointed out that the days were given in the first chapter. The second chapter is no opposing order, but just talks of what was done, and not necessarily in order. Your planet of the apes and Adam kived billions of years and Noah under a lake business stems from the false foundational premise that you purposely preach and cling to in trying to make chapter 2 the creation order.

 

[dad]

The above verse is speaking of the end of the present 6th Day when ALL of the heavens and Earths are finished, which in Hebrew means brought to perfection.

You made that up. He was referring to what was just said in the previous chapter. Creation was finished. That doesn't mean stars could not be born, or people born, and later saved and etc etc. It means the original creation mentioned of heaven and earth and life was completed, and it was good.

Notice also that Heaven is filled with ALL of it's "host" which includes ALL Christians.

You think you are up with the stars now also? Ha. Add that to the pile.

 

[Aman777]

Tell me, did you actually READ the article?

Did you spot this sentence in the article? "Deep sea vents are surrounded by exotic life-forms and, with their extreme chemistry, have long seemed places where life might have originated." Do you think "long seemed" means "Only from slightly before this was discovered"?

Of course I read it. Did you read Genesis 1:21 which stated that ALL life was created and brought forth from WATER? Now, tell us how ancient men knew that...if you can.

*** Also, could you please show me where in that article (or any other source, for that matter) it says, "Prior to 2016, we simply had no ideas at all about how life got started."

You won't find it since godless science hides its ignorance, lest anyone see how much they must bluff in order to keep the parishoners of the religion of Evolism, in line.

*** And finally, if you read the article (which I strongly suspect you didn't, since you missed the bit that shows your claim about it was wrong), you'll see that the life form they discovered is "missing so many genes necessary for life that it must still have been relying on chemical components from its environment." The scientist who found it thinks this means it was "half alive". This is entirely consistent with the evolutionary view of life, not of the created by God view of life.

Its consistent with descent with modification within kinds (common ancestors) which godless men high jacked and changed the name to "evolution". What is shows is their hatred of anything which reveals God in His own Creation. Like Lucifer, they THINK they are smarter than God.

*** So yeah, your argument just fell flat on its face. Three times.

You took the words right out of my fingers. Great minds think alike. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

I don't get that. You say that you can only be saved by faith, but then say there are more than 30,000 different faiths (and that seems to be just Christianity, not counting any of the other religions!).

So does that mean that you are saved by faith, but it doesn't matter what faith it is? Or does it need to be a specific faith? And if so, which one? (Lemme guess - the right faith is the one you believe.)

The right Faith is a Gift from God and not of ourselves, since sinful man cannot believe that Jesus rose from the dead the third day according to the Scriptures.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him: for he that cometh to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.

Those who pray/ask God for the Gift of Faith to believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ will not be disappointed. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

You made that up. He was referring to what was just said in the previous chapter. Creation was finished. That doesn't mean stars could not be born, or people born, and later saved and etc etc. It means the original creation mentioned of heaven and earth and life was completed, and it was good.

Your confusion is caused by the fact that you don't understand that the FIRST 34 verses of Genesis tell the ENTIRE History of God's Creation, including events which are FUTURE to our time, at the end of the present 6th Day. Genesis 1:28-31 is PROPHECY of events which take place AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth.

What it shows is the Supreme Intelligence of God. He wrote His Truth and put it in front of the world for 3k years knowing that it would be misunderstood, by EVERYONE except the people of the last days, which are finally here. When you realize this, you will ALSO see that EVERY verse in the Bible refers BACK to one of the 7 Days/Ages of the Creation shown in the first 34 verses of Genesis. The 7th Day is ETERNITY since it won't happen until Jesus has ruled and reigned for a thousand years on this Planet, and then BURNED our Cosmos. ll Peter 3:10

There is NO end of God's creation until it is made perfect. God would NOT be God if he rested BEFORE His perfect creation was made perfect. He is STILL working today to save sinners and make them perfect in Christ, Spiritually. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

How many have the position Adam was not created on day six?

Adam was created Eternally, or born again Spiritually, by God (Trinity) on the present 6th Day. Gen 1:27 and Gen 5:1-2
Adam was "formed" by Lord God (Jesus) like a Potter molds the clay, from the dust of the ground on the THIRD Day, before the plants, herbs, rain, and TREES. Gen 2:4-9 That's God's Truth Scripturally which NO man can refute. God Bless you

 

[Aman777]

New to this (incredibly long) thread. I haven't seen any YEC evidence presented yet. Can anyone point me to a post that presented any?

I'm the youngest of the young earthers since YEC teach that the morning of the Creation was 6k years ago and I show that it was less than 6 Days ago. God Bless you

 

[Astrophile]

No directly observed evidence contradicts the bible.

So why does the Statement of Faith of Answers in Genesis say

By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record.

Why did Martin Luther, John Calvin and the Inquisition agree that the motion of the Earth around the Sun was contrary to the Bible? Why did Wilbur Glenn Voliva insist on Biblical grounds that the Earth is flat, saying,

when it comes to the word of God, [scientists] have not a leg to stand on. I will take the word of God and dispose of any astronomer on the face of the earth in less than thirty minutes.

(quoted from 'Flat Earth: The History of an Infamous Idea' by Christine Garwood (Macmillan 2007), p. 207)?

 

[Obliquinaut]

No directly observed evidence contradicts the bible.

With the possible exception of the order of creation vs the order that life actually showed up on the earth.

Fruit bearing trees ("Day 3") on land before the sun ("Day 4)? Birds before land animals? Nope and nope.

But other than that...

No. That method is an ignorant, godless, pigheaded, short sighted, fraudulent and biased belief system.

Do God fearing Christians ever get tired of heaping hatred and scorn on things they don't like? I mean you are certainly free to disagree with science or fail to believe it, but you guys like to gild the lilly so to speak. So far on CF I've heard

1. Science is pigheaded
2. Scientists sell their souls to satan
3. Scientists work for the Devil
4. Science is fraudulent
5. Scientists lie
6. Scientists will falsify data as a matter of course to get more money (greedy)

It really is amazing how EVIL science and scientists are.

I'm reminded of a book many Christians on here don't seem to read much: Matthew 7:1

 

[AV1611VET]

Why did Martin Luther, John Calvin and the Inquisition agree that the motion of the Earth around the Sun was contrary to the Bible?

Big deal.

People on this site say that all the time.

The answer is because Martin Luther, John Calvin and the ... well, skip the Inquisition ... but Martin Luther and John Calvin did what academicians do here all the time: refused to consider the point of the observer.

Now ... granted ... Martin Luther and John Calvin probably didn't have access to the information about our solar system that is now available to us here in the 21st century.

But that doesn't matter, as those here in the 21st century demonstrate.

Because even if they did have access, I'm sure they would be willing to "turn the other cheek" in considering the point of the observer -- just like they do today.

 

[Astrophile]

Big deal.

People on this site say that all the time.

The answer is because Martin Luther, John Calvin and the ... well, skip the Inquisition ... but Martin Luther and John Calvin did what academicians do here all the time: refused to consider the point of the observer.

Now ... granted ... Martin Luther and John Calvin probably didn't have access to the information about our solar system that is now available to us here in the 21st century.

But that doesn't matter, as those here in the 21st century demonstrate.

Because even if they did have access, I'm sure they would be willing to "turn the other cheek" in considering the point of the observer -- just like they do today.

I can't understand what you are trying to say. Could you please repeat it in simpler terms?

The answer is because Martin Luther, John Calvin and the ... well, skip the Inquisition ... but Martin Luther and John Calvin did what academicians do here all the time: refused to consider the point of the observer.

Now ... granted ... Martin Luther and John Calvin probably didn't have access to the information about our solar system that is now available to us here in the 21st century.

Aristarchus, Seleucus, Copernicus, Kepler and Galileo didn't have access to the information about our solar system that is now available to us here in the 21st century, but they did have access to enough information to see that it made better sense for the Sun rather than the Earth to be at the centre of the system, with all the planets revolving around it.

However, this is getting off the point. I was commenting on Dad's assertion that

No directly observed evidence contradicts the Bible.

I think that the orbital motion and the sphericity of the Earth count as directly observed evidence, but I will credit Luther, Calvin, the Inquisition and Voliva with enough knowledge and enough integrity to know that the Bible contradicted both.