Stumbling blocks

[Godlovesmetwo]

Thanks marty
I was trying to press "Winner" for my own post but wasn't able to. Shall I press "Winner" for yours instead?

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

The same can be said in reverse about any denomination. That said I'll leave you to it. God bless

 

[Martinius]

Thanks marty
I was trying to press "Winner" for my own post but wasn't able to. Shall I press "Winner" for yours instead?

Nah, just stay humble. I'll change my "like" to "winner" on your post.

 

[tadoflamb]

The same can be said in reverse about any denomination. That said I'll leave you to it. God bless

That's true, and that's the point of my OP. It's not the Catholic Church that put a bunch of stumbling blocks for me, it was the sola scripturits. When I converted, my parish had me write up a little testimony about my story and even then, I described Christianity as looking like everyone was going to hell. I was pleased when I discovered that Catholicism doesn't engage in that spirit of condemnation and understand that God's plan of salvation is open to everyone, including protestants.

When I reflect back on the Catholics I knew they kept to themselves and lived out their lives quietly. I found it surprising that even though Catholicism is so big and so old, it's also kind of quiet. It has it's own ability to draw people in.

 

[tadoflamb]

The post this quote is taken from is one of the best I have read here in a while. BCP makes several good points in it. I have to agree that what is most important is how we live the faith we choose, not necessarily which denomination we belong to.

Thanks marty
I was trying to press "Winner" for my own post but wasn't able to. Shall I press "Winner" for yours instead?

Nah, just stay humble. I'll change my "like" to "winner" on your post.

Don't strain your arms patting each other on the back, o' humble ones.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

That's true, and that's the point of my OP. It's not the Catholic Church that put a bunch of stumbling blocks for me, it was the sola scripturits. When I converted, my parish had me write up a little testimony about my story and even then, I described Christianity as looking like everyone was going to hell. I was pleased when I discovered that Catholicism doesn't engage in that spirit of condemnation and understand that God's plan of salvation is open to everyone, including protestants.

When I reflect back on the Catholics I knew they kept to themselves and lived out their lives quietly. I found it surprising that even though Catholicism is so big and so old, it's also kind of quiet. It has it's own ability to draw people in.

I guess you were never on GT when the Catholics or OO\s were in their hayday then?

 

[tadoflamb]

I guess you were never on GT when the Catholics or OO\s were in their hayday then?

I used to spend a lot of time in GT. I can't speak for the OO's, but I don't remember Catholics condemning anyone to hell. I remember a lot of protestants whining about the anathema's of Trent and quoting 'come out of her my people' plenty of times.

The catechism is pretty clear on our relationship with other Christians/non-Christians so even if there were Catholics on there with condemning attitudes, it would be easy to correct them. I know in my parish protestantism is like a sacred cow and are beyond rebuke. We don't talk about them much.

 

[Fantine]

I think that for traditional Catholics Catholicism is "the source" and for TLT Catholics Catholicism is "a resource." I don't have any interest in being a stumbling block for you or anyone else, but, in defense of TLT'ers, I also believe that those Catholics whose views are too inflexible have driven many Catholics away and are preventing many from returning.

I applaud those who are reaching out to the alienated, especially Cardinal Tobin of Newark. One of the important lessons liberation theology has taught us is the concept of "accompaniment." Just as we, in going on missions or working with the poor, are "walking with" them or accompanying them, so, too, we need to accompany others instead of trying to micromanage their lives or stick them in boxes.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

I used to spend a lot of time in GT. I can't speak for the OO's, but I don't remember Catholics condemning anyone to hell. I remember a lot of protestants whining about the anathema's of Trent and quoting 'come out of her my people' plenty of times.

The catechism is pretty clear on our relationship with other Christians/non-Christians so even if there were Catholics on there with condemning attitudes, it would be easy to correct them. I know in my parish protestantism is like a sacred cow and are beyond rebuke. We don't talk about them much.

I was just trying to give you a hard time but it's you that was placing the divide in the OP

In spite of how impressed evangelicals are with themselves and their bible knowledge, they just serve as a stumbling block to me. If it was left up to them, I would have stumbled my way to hell.

You seemed to be inviting scepticism. In the final countdown I would say that we are all left to build our own masterpieces in the time that we have alotted to us. God bless

 

[tadoflamb]

I think that for traditional Catholics Catholicism is "the source" and for TLT Catholics Catholicism is "a resource." I don't have any interest in being a stumbling block for you or anyone else, but, in defense of TLT'ers, I also believe that those Catholics whose views are too inflexible have driven many Catholics away and are preventing many from returning.

I applaud those who are reaching out to the alienated, especially Cardinal Tobin of Newark. One of the important lessons liberation theology has taught us is the concept of "accompaniment." Just as we, in going on missions or working with the poor, are "walking with" them or accompanying them, so, too, we need to accompany others instead of trying to micromanage their lives or stick them in boxes.

You're not a stumbling block for me, Fantine. The stumbling blocks for me came out of protestant Christianity and of those the Calvinist's seem to have been the worst offenders. My point was, now that TLT is slower and I've gone off into other parts of the board, it's just served as a reminder of what kept me away from the faith for so long.

If anything, this proves that TLT has been an haven for me for the past year. I've truly been surprised how the character of the forum reflects the type of Catholicism which I've found most attractive and which has changed me most over the past 14 years. Like Pope Francis, you talk about accompaniment, and I've found this to be a most interesting word to describe how we are to relate to others. To me it means adopting a spirit of mercy instead of a spirit of condemnation.

I appreciate you and your unique way of looking at things, Fantine. You are a faith builder for me. Not a stumbling block.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

You're not a stumbling block for me, Fantine. The stumbling blocks for me came out of protestant Christianity and of those the Calvinist's seem to have been the worst offenders. My point was, now that TLT is slower and I've gone off into other parts of the board, it's just served as a reminder of what kept me away from the faith for so long.

If anything, this proves that TLT has been an haven for me for the past year. I've truly been surprised how the character of the forum reflects the type of Catholicism which I've found most attractive and which has changed me most over the past 14 years. Like Pope Francis, you talk about accompaniment, and I've found this to be a most interesting word to describe how we are to relate to others. To me it means adopting a spirit of mercy instead of a spirit of condemnation.

I appreciate you and your unique way of looking at things, Fantine. You are a faith builder for me. Not a stumbling block.

I agree with you, Tad. TLT has especially been a faith builder for me. Being a part of this liberal Catholic forum has drawn me to the Catholic faith and it has helped restore my respect for the Christian faith.

 

[tadoflamb]

I was just trying to give you a hard time but it's you that was placing the divide in the OP

That's because it wasn't the Catholics who were putting up the stumbling blocks. Once I became interested in Catholicism I realized that most of what I knew it about the Church was misinformation or outright lies. As I've come to discover, it's the non-Catholic Christians who were propagating the anti-Catholic myths. A stumbling block.

You seemed to be inviting scepticism. In the final countdown I would say that we are all left to build our own masterpieces in the time that we have alotted to us. God bless

That sounds highly individualistic.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Yet according to your calculations I would have to become a Catholic to avoid stumbling over the blocks myself. Hmmmn that entails learning to talk with a lisp which I don't think capable of doing.

 

[tadoflamb]

Yet according to your calculations I would have to become a Catholic to avoid stumbling over the blocks myself. Hmmmn that entails learning to talk with a lisp which I don't think capable of doing.

I don't speak with a lisp.

What in the world are you referring to?

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Professing Mary as anything but a saint of Christ's would be a lie to me therefore I could never go properly to confession to anyone but the Most High.

Judges 12:5-6
The Gileadites captured the fords of the Jordan opposite Ephraim. And it happened when any of the fugitives of Ephraim said, "Let me cross over," the men of Gilead would say to him, "Are you an Ephraimite?" If he said, "No," then they would say to him, "Say now, 'Shibboleth.'" But he said, "Sibboleth," for he could not pronounce it correctly. Then they seized him and slew him at the fords of the Jordan. Thus there fell at that time 42000 of Ephraim.​

 

[tadoflamb]

Professing Mary as anything but a saint of Christ's would be a lie to me therefore I could never go properly to confession to anyone but the Most High.

Judges 12:5-6
The Gileadites captured the fords of the Jordan opposite Ephraim. And it happened when any of the fugitives of Ephraim said, "Let me cross over," the men of Gilead would say to him, "Are you an Ephraimite?" If he said, "No," then they would say to him, "Say now, 'Shibboleth.'" But he said, "Sibboleth," for he could not pronounce it correctly. Then they seized him and slew him at the fords of the Jordan. Thus there fell at that time 42000 of Ephraim.​

What a bizarre post.

What does that have to do with speaking with a lisp?

 

[CrystalDragon]

Here you go:


My pastor preaches on it quite a bit.

Can't believe I missed this earlier (sometimes my notifications don't work), so thanks!

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Professing Mary as anything but a saint of Christ's would be a lie to me therefore I could never go properly to confession to anyone but the Most High.

Judges 12:5-6
The Gileadites captured the fords of the Jordan opposite Ephraim. And it happened when any of the fugitives of Ephraim said, "Let me cross over," the men of Gilead would say to him, "Are you an Ephraimite?" If he said, "No," then they would say to him, "Say now, 'Shibboleth.'" But he said, "Sibboleth," for he could not pronounce it correctly. Then they seized him and slew him at the fords of the Jordan. Thus there fell at that time 42000 of Ephraim.​

Kindly take your teaching against Catholicism else where, because it isn't allowed in this forum.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

What a bizarre post.

What does that have to do with speaking with a lisp?

It has absolutely nothing about it. It's nothing more than an annoying (holier than thou) response that has no place in this forum. Seriously, do the non-Catholics who come into TLT not read this forum's Statement of Purpose before commenting in these threads? I think that if they did, then maybe they wouldn't be so disrespectful of Catholic beliefs and violate the safe haven rules of this forum.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The post this quote is taken from is one of the best I have read here in a while. BCP makes several good points in it. I have to agree that what is most important is how we live the faith we choose, not necessarily which denomination we belong to.........

bettercallpaul said: ↑
Thanks marty
I was trying to press "Winner" for my own post but wasn't able to. Shall I press "Winner" for yours instead?

Is that marty, as in the "Marty Moose" shown in National Lampoon's Vacation? ehehe

Nah, just stay humble. I'll change my "like" to "winner" on your post.

Don't strain your arms patting each other on the back, o' humble ones.

Nice one, LOL........

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