The death trap

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Why do Christians use death as a way to trap people into accepting their beliefs. Using the unknown to scare people to think their way.

It's very underhanded.

Would it be underhanded for me to get someone to think my way as in if they jump out the 4th story window they would die. It's just a fact, and I would think they'd be grateful if they didn't already know.

Since it's logical to think that would likely be fine with you, you're really saying you don't believe our beliefs, but we do so that, IMO, is why we do it.

Seems to me you would just skip all this and go right for jugular and how ridiculous you think our beliefs are, it would certainly save you some time. I mean you can't actually think you are going to shame anyone here into changing what they do, so what's the point?
 
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It's not a trap, it's reality. When you die you will be judged.

Will you stand justified in that day or will you be condemned?

How will you answer that question?
Who can stand justified before a God?
 
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Who can stand justified before a God?

Not "a God" but the God. And it is only those who have faith in His Son that stand justified in his sight.

He died for you too, did you know that? So that you too can be justified in Him. :)
 
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Dear UnderPar:

You can also have a relationship with GOD now.
A person does not need to wait until they die to experience GOD and His good ways.
You do not have to experience the stress of life like the world does.
You will have a peace like you have never known before.
A love that you have never known before.
Jesus died for you so as to give you new life in Him. That is why He died. He died so as to take away your sins. He loves so very much and wants to spend life with you after you die, but He wants to spend life with you in the here and now, too.

Ask Jesus to forgive of your sins today. Ask Jesus to come into your life.
Walk with the Lord and see the amazing good that Christ can bring for you.

May God bless you.

With loving kindness to you in Christ,

Sincerely,

~ Jason.


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Not knowing my history, I can understand your reasoning. But I've already passed the bar, and been waved in. Baptized and born again I experienced a great many things. But none of it was based in the rational.
 
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Not "a God" but the God. And it is only those who have faith in His Son that stand justified in his sight.

He died for you too, did you know that? So that you too can be justified in Him. :)
So no one of themselves stands justified, this I know. So only true followers of Jesus can stand justified, this I know too.

So I don't really understand the former question now.
 
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Death wasnt on my mind when i converted to Christianity.

Its not dishonest or deceptive, you just have to look at the Word of God and what it says. Being set free from your sins is not a "trap" ;)

Im learning to golf, the form was awkward at first but im hooked i think :)
Death wasn't on my mind when I joined also, but that was many moons ago.
 
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It is an interesting view no doubt, but regardless if it is eternal conscienceness in hell or annihilation the truth of the matter is we need Jesus.

So back to the OP:

Judgement will come after death, will you be justified by faith in Jesus or condemned by unbelief?
If you look at it, that's not a choice.
I can't believe to be saved by believing.
 
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Greetings,
I have some startling news for you.
It really does not matter what either of you believe .
All that matters is what is Written in the Most Holy Written Word Of God and it is written there is.

This belief of yours.... (Christians like us) is actually a doctrine of demons. It's deception and you may want to wake up.
Blessings
FCJ

The Bible doesn't explicitly say it and many more verses that state Judgement is simply death.

The eternal punishment of hell seem only reserved for the devil and the false prophet. NOT really for all of us.
 
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The Bible doesn't explicitly say it and many more verses that state Judgement is simply death.

The eternal punishment of hell seem only reserved for the devil and the false prophet. NOT really for all of us.
Well does the bible say people go to hell or death. Which is it? Is it a matter of interpretation or is it the good book that gives readers mixed messages?

If it's not the bible, then there is only one true answer. So again which is?
 
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The Bible doesn't explicitly say it and many more verses that state Judgement is simply death.

The eternal punishment of hell seem only reserved for the devil and the false prophet. NOT really for all of us.

No disrespect but this is not true.
Scripture is very clear about it.
 
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Yeah, torture and God doesn't fit together.
We are under Grace.
Read the Revelation of Jesus and you will find when this time of Grace ends.
Things will go just as they are written.

God does not desire any one to go to hell.
He gives everyone plenty of opportunities to turn to Him and live as He has said.

It's not Gods fault if some one refuses Him.
Its not God sending them to hell.
The send themselves because they reject Jesus.

Hell is real and many who think they know it all will spend eternity wishing they would have listened.

It's your life and your eternity thus making it your choice to choose what you believe.

If you feel you know better then what is written in God's Word because you feel this or that. Cool, that's your choice.

But then again if you ain't as smart as you think then you will find that out one day soon.
You willing to take that chance?
Blessings
 
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We are under Grace.
Read the Revelation of Jesus and you will find when this time of Grace ends.
Things will go just as they are written.

God does not desire any one to go to hell.
He gives everyone plenty of opportunities to turn to Him and live as He has said.

It's not Gods fault if some one refuses Him.
Its not God sending them to hell.
The send themselves because they reject Jesus.

Hell is real and many who think they know it all will spend eternity wishing they would have listened.

It's your life and your eternity thus making it your choice to choose what you believe.

If you feel you know better then what is written in God's Word because you feel this or that. Cool, that's your choice.

But then again if you ain't as smart as you think then you will find that out one day soon.
You willing to take that chance?
Blessings
It's would be your Gods fault for inventing no other way to deal with wicked souls than hell. As sinful as you dream to be, you can think of better ways to deal with the undesirable.
 
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Well does the bible say people go to hell or death. Which is it? Is it a matter of interpretation or is it the good book that gives readers mixed messages?

Jesus spoke more consistently of death and death means simply to cease existing and not be resurrected.

If it's not the bible, then there is only one true answer. So again which is?

The only answer here is death.
 
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