Are all Baptists Calvinists?

[jimmyjimmy]

Have fun arguing your religion. I'm done guys.

If being a calvinist makes you a better person, more power to you.

If not, then good.

What was your goal in starting this thread?

 

[twin1954]

What was your goal in starting this thread?

He asked a question and we answered it truthfully. He didn't seen to like the answers so he left.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

He asked a question and we answered it truthfully. He didn't seen to like the answers so he left.

I understand, but he didn't seem like he really wanted an answer.

 

[OzSpen]

That is funny. Where's your smiley?

Where in that passage does it say that he wasn't elect and that the grace was resistible?

''Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household' (Acts 16:31 ESV) means '[You] believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household' in the original language.

How do I know? The Greek tells me so.

'Believe' is pisteuson which is 2nd person, singular, aorist, imperative. It is a command which means that Paul and Silas commanded the jailer, 'Believe', meaning 'you believe' as it is the second person 'you' referring to the jailer.

There is no unconditional election or irrestible grace in this language. While salvation is all of God, there would be no salvation unless the jailer chose to believe.

That's Bible.

Oz

 

[Hammster]

''Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household' (Acts 16:31 ESV) means '[You] believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household' in the original language.

How do I know? The Greek tells me so.

'Believe' is pisteuson which is 2nd person, singular, aorist, imperative. It is a command which means that Paul and Silas commanded the jailer, 'Believe', meaning 'you believe' as it is the second person 'you' referring to the jailer.

There is no unconditional election or irrestible grace in this language. While salvation is all of God, there would be no salvation unless the jailer chose to believe.

That's Bible.

Oz

If you could answer the question I asked, that would be awesome.

Here it is again. Where in that passage does it say that he wasn't elect and that the grace was resistible?

 

[OzSpen]

If you could answer the question I asked, that would be awesome.

Here it is again. Where in that passage does it say that he wasn't elect and that the grace was resistible?

Acts 16:31 deals with what the jailer had to do to receive salvation. He was commanded to believe. What happened? 'You will be saved, you and your household'.

I didn't say he wasn't elect. I believe the Bible teaches election, but not Calvinistic unconditional election.

When he had to believe to be saved, it infers that he could have chosen not to believe.

We have examples in OT and NT of those who chose not to serve the Lord God. We see this in Joshua:

‘And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord’ (Joshua 24:15 ESV).​

In the NT, God, by grace and through faith in Jesus Christ, by the ministry of the Holy Spirit, saves believers. God has graciously chosen to save the ones who will believe in Christ (John 3:15, 16, 36; 4:14; 5:24, 40; 6:47; 6:50-58; 20:31; Rom 3:21-30; 4:3-5; 4:9, 11, 13, 16; 4:20-24; 5:1, 2; 9:30-33; 10:4; 10:9-13; 1 Cor 1:21; 15:1-2; Gal 2:15-16; 3:2-9; 3:11; 3:14, 22, 24; 3:26-28; Eph 1:13; 2:8; Phil 3:9; Heb 3:6, 14; 3:18-19; 4:2-3; 6:12; 1 John 2:23-25; 5:10-13, 20) (source).

So did the jailer choose to believe or not?

Oz

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Acts 16:31 deals with what the jailer had to do to receive salvation. He was commanded to believe. What happened? 'You will be saved, you and your household'.

I didn't say he wasn't elect. I believe the Bible teaches election, but not Calvinistic unconditional election.

When he had to believe to be saved, it infers that he could have chosen not to believe.

We have examples in OT and NT of those who chose not to serve the Lord God. We see this in Joshua:

‘And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord’ (Joshua 24:15 ESV).​

In the NT, God, by grace and through faith in Jesus Christ, by the ministry of the Holy Spirit, saves believers. God has graciously chosen to save the ones who will believe in Christ (John 3:15, 16, 36; 4:14; 5:24, 40; 6:47; 6:50-58; 20:31; Rom 3:21-30; 4:3-5; 4:9, 11, 13, 16; 4:20-24; 5:1, 2; 9:30-33; 10:4; 10:9-13; 1 Cor 1:21; 15:1-2; Gal 2:15-16; 3:2-9; 3:11; 3:14, 22, 24; 3:26-28; Eph 1:13; 2:8; Phil 3:9; Heb 3:6, 14; 3:18-19; 4:2-3; 6:12; 1 John 2:23-25; 5:10-13, 20) (source).

So did the jailer choose to believe or not?

Oz

Election is unconditional. Salvation is not.

Men must repent and place their faith in Christ's work on their behalf. That's what Calvinists believe. We just understand that these things are in response to God's actions. We do not initiate this, God does. We need a new heart - a new nature in order to even desire God or seek His will. (see John 6:44)

 

[Hammster]

Acts 16:31 deals with what the jailer had to do to receive salvation. He was commanded to believe. What happened? 'You will be saved, you and your household'.

I didn't say he wasn't elect. I believe the Bible teaches election, but not Calvinistic unconditional election.

When he had to believe to be saved, it infers that he could have chosen not to believe.

We have examples in OT and NT of those who chose not to serve the Lord God. We see this in Joshua:

‘And if it is evil in your eyes to serve the Lord, choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your fathers served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord’ (Joshua 24:15 ESV).​

In the NT, God, by grace and through faith in Jesus Christ, by the ministry of the Holy Spirit, saves believers. God has graciously chosen to save the ones who will believe in Christ (John 3:15, 16, 36; 4:14; 5:24, 40; 6:47; 6:50-58; 20:31; Rom 3:21-30; 4:3-5; 4:9, 11, 13, 16; 4:20-24; 5:1, 2; 9:30-33; 10:4; 10:9-13; 1 Cor 1:21; 15:1-2; Gal 2:15-16; 3:2-9; 3:11; 3:14, 22, 24; 3:26-28; Eph 1:13; 2:8; Phil 3:9; Heb 3:6, 14; 3:18-19; 4:2-3; 6:12; 1 John 2:23-25; 5:10-13, 20) (source).

So did the jailer choose to believe or not?

Oz

We know faith precedes justification. But where in the text does it say or imply that he was/was not regenerate when he asked his question, or when he believed?

 

[OzSpen]

We know faith precedes justification. But where in the text does it say or imply that he was/was not regenerate when he asked his question, or when he believed?

Argument from silence is a logical fallacy. It is fallacious reasoning.

 

[Hammster]

Argument from silence is a logical fallacy. It is fallacious reasoning.

What argument from silence am I making? I see you making one, but it appears you are accusing me of that.

 

[OzSpen]

What argument from silence am I making? I see you making one, but it appears you are accusing me of that.

#108 is an example of your argument from silence. When you committed a logical fallacy like this, you kill off having an intelligent conversation.

Bye,
Oz

 

[Hammster]

#108 is an example of your argument from silence. When you committed a logical fallacy like this, you kill off having an intelligent conversation.

Bye,
Oz

I wasn't asking for an example. I figured post 108 was what you were referring to. I asked what argument from silence was I making. If you can't answer a direct question, you kill off having an intelligent conversation.

 

[twin1954]

I wasn't asking for an example. I figured post 108 was what you were referring to. I asked what argument from silence was I making. If you can't answer a direct question, you kill off having an intelligent conversation.

If you look at a history of his posts you will see a pattern of accusation of logical fallacies and then ignore. It is what he does when he can't make an argument. He has done that to several of us.

 

[twin1954]

It appears that any who disagree with him is not intelligent enough to have a conversation with.

 

[TaylorSexton]

If you look at a history of his posts you will see a pattern of accusation of logical fallacies and then ignore. It is what he does when he can't make an argument. He has done that to several of us.

It's happened to me, as well. In my short life, I have found that those who are quick to say "fallacy" without any further explanation or comment are not very interested in having an actual discussion. They can't argue against something with any kind of substance, so they throw "fallacy" darts in hopes to distract.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

 

[OzSpen]

I wasn't asking for an example. I figured post 108 was what you were referring to. I asked what argument from silence was I making. If you can't answer a direct question, you kill off having an intelligent conversation.

Your argument from silence in #108 is in the question you asked of me: 'But where in the text does it say or imply that he was/was not regenerate when he asked his question, or when he believed?'

That's fallacious reasoning, argument from silence (even though asked in the form of your question to me).

Oz

 

[Hammster]

Your argument from silence in #108 is in the question you asked of me: 'But where in the text does it say or imply that he was/was not regenerate when he asked his question, or when he believed?'

That's fallacious reasoning, argument from silence (even though asked in the form of your question to me).

Oz

Your inability or unwillingness to answer the question does not make my question a fallacy. Sorry, but it's an obvious attempt to avoid answering a question.

 

[OzSpen]

Your inability or unwillingness to answer the question does not make my question a fallacy. Sorry, but it's an obvious attempt to avoid answering a question.

Nice try, but your allegation is false.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Nice try, but your allegation is false.

John 6:65
Then Jesus said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to Me unless the Father has granted it to him."

Did the jailer have some ability that Jesus wasn't aware of?