Discovered quite a few homosexuals in my school

[ViaCrucis]

I attend a Christian school over in Sydney, Australia.
In recent weeks, I've discovered quite a few homosexuals (which indeed surprises me for the nature of the school I attend), with one friend being gay himself.

Attending a Christian school isn't going to make a gay person not be gay anymore than taking your cat to a dog park is going to make them a dog.

What can I do to resolve this?

Focus on the log in your own eye, confess your sins to God trusting in His forgiveness and mercy which is yours in Jesus Christ your Lord; and then love your neighbor as yourself.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[PloverWing]

Raphael must not know that is unrighteous behaviour to be having homosexual relations or as a Christian he would have repented by now.

Instead of "must not know that", say "must disagree that". This is an issue on which Christians genuinely disagree.

 

[Raphael Jauregui]

FWIW, Raphael described his position as "lay," not ordained.

Thank you for clarifying for them. While my relationship would not be a barrier either to ordination in TEC or CofE, my current status is lay Vestry member, not ordained. I imagine it is easy for non-Anglicans to be confused by our language.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Well...first of all if you flat out tell them that they deserve death, then that's just going to push them further from God.

All people deserve death, and we ought to tell sinners that they can escape death through faith in Christ's atoning work. Remember John 3:16?

“For hGod so loved ithe world,9 jthat he gave his only Son, that whoever believesin him should not kperish but have eternal life. 17 For lGod did not send his Son into theworld mto condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.18 nWhoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe iscondemned already, because he has not obelieved in the name of the only Son of God.​

 

[FoundInGrace]

Instead of "must not know that", say "must disagree that". This is an issue on which Christians genuinely disagree.

I said what i meant.
Raphael (and those in his church who have not cared enough about him and the person he is sinning with, to minister truth to them by telling them) must not know he is sinning.

Be homosexual without sin but the second one is acting on that by engaging in homosexual relations causing someone else to sin also as well as oneself especially unrepentently is unrighteous behaviour.

I say this because he must not know or as a Christian he would not behave unrighteously in this way.

Just because TEC or CodE turn a blind eye, does not make engaging in unrepentant homosexual relations ok.

 

[FoundInGrace]

We have a gentleman in local church here who is homosexual in orientation but non-practicing out of respect for his Saviour.

That is someone I would listen to because they take their walk with God seriously and have changed their life accordingly to walk in righteousness.

 

[Neogaia777]

I attend a Christian school over in Sydney, Australia.
In recent weeks, I've discovered quite a few homosexuals (which indeed surprises me for the nature of the school I attend), with one friend being gay himself.

I've felt their overly progressive values are attempting to pull me away from God. I'm a relatively conservative Christian, for those that do not know.
I've tried praying, but nothing is working as of yet.

What can I do to resolve this? As the majority of my year group is quite progressive, I don't want to call them out for being gay or tell them they deserve death as God himself requires, as I'll be labelled a homophobe and lose all of my reputation, a typical thing the left does to silence opposition.

If this is posted in the wrong thread, I apologise, and please relocate it.

Tell them that "only God knows your heart, I do not, nor would I claim to." set reasonable boundaries with them, like no talk about gay sex lives, or even love lives, around you, in your presence, no profane talk... No crude or lewd jokes, that kind of thing...

Gross is gross to me, what can I say, and those things are gross to me, respect that please...

If it was your son or daughter, and they wanted you to give them away or be a part of their gay wedding, what would you do...?

What a man allows in his family should go for his church as well...

God Bless!

 

[fat wee robin]

What's wrong with being a racist or an anti-Semite?


a phobia are an irrational fear.




people are not an action, they are just people



The Homosexual Manifesto written by Michael Swift shows up often in anti-gay circles. Certain groups are only too happy to reproduce PART of what Swift wrote, but they never publish it all.
The parts that label the Manifesto as a satirical joke and a farce never seem to be included when right wing groups toss it around.
What Swift did was take all of the silly and foundationless claims and irrational fears of the Christian right and put them all together to be laughed at.

So you compare people commiting unatural sexual acts ,to people who have a different colur of skin etc caused by living under a hot sun .
The first shows the state of the 'inner being ' which is poisoned ,and the other simply a different climate .
I am no racist ,having loved and taught people from all cultures ,but I am a homophobe now ,s the Manifesto is proving to be acted out everywhere in the West and only the spiritually blind refuse to see that .

 

[fat wee robin]

We have a gentleman in local church here who is homosexual in orientation but non-practicing out of respect for his Saviour.

That is someone I would listen to because they take their walk with God seriously and have changed their life accordingly to walk in righteousness.

I truly respect people who have such an inclination , who have the clarity of mind and spirit not to follow the crowd ,and instead follow their Saviour .
They are truly blessed .

 

[fat wee robin]

The Homosexual Manifesto was written as a comedy, a piece of satire. there is no one who can take any of this seriously! Let's dial down the rhetoric, okay?

So where have you been living for the last number of years ? Not in the world , that is for sure .

I do take it seriously ,as almost everything in that manifesto is happening right now and only those who are blind will not see .

 

[AlexDTX]

Can you blame "homosexual"? I have wondered how christians seem to equate homosexuality with plain immorality so strictly when there are other contexts where the depravity is much like it. If you want to rein in immorality, then make an effort to understand it. Wish I did. When in Rome, act like a closet homosexual! Get into it like feminism! I could swear I saw a halo above my head after I wrote this. Good luck to you.

Are you being sarcastic? Otherwise this is damnable advise.

 

[Adstar]

Lust does not mean sexual thoughts, sexual attraction, or even temptation to have sex. Temptation is never sinful, and God never tempts us with more than we can bear, he will always provide a way out. What you are saying, though common, makes lust utterly impossible to not do.
Futhermore, the, for lack of a better term, root sin of lust is coveting. Even though it is still internal, lust is a choice, it is not the automatic response of your mind. Lust is a deep, selfish, objectifying, and intentional desire to have sex with someone.

The word of Jesus stands ... Salvation is yours if you believe Him.. You want to be rightious in your own efforts.. Nope never going to happen.. Guess what we are all sinners in need of the atonement of Jesus..

 

[SkyWriting]

I would hope someone would let me know it's not righteous behaviour to be having openly unrepentant homosexual relations while taking on a Christian ministry role if I ever ended up in that situation.

You are in that same situation. I am letting you know that you are out of line and sin can only be judged in your own life and others have zero basis to judge your sins.

May I illustrate that?

. 3And the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before them 4and said, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such a woman. So what do You say?”

6They said this to test Him, in order to have a basis for accusing Him. But Jesus bent down and began to write on the ground with His finger.

7When they continued to question Him, He straightened up and said to them, “Whoever is without sin among you, let him be the first to cast a stone at her.” 8And again He bent down and wrote on the ground.

9When they heard this,a they began to go away one by one, beginning with the older ones, until only Jesus was left, with the woman standing there. 10Then Jesus straightened upb and asked her, “Woman, where are your accusers?c Has no one condemned you?”

11“No one, Lord,” she answered.

“Neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Now go and sin no more.”

Not only did Jesus not scold her,
He let her decide what Sin is,
as well as sending accusers home tail-between-legs.

Lots to learn in this one story. In this story....where do you see yourself?
Jesus, the woman, or accusers?

 

[SkyWriting]

The sad thing about homosexuals is what they are, agreed? Why would it be any surprise that you have a distance from these people that you carry with you? Suppose it is just your sexual preference that is that difference, then why does there exist a cognition of yours about them? What is the nature of that thought? If you yourself have unnecessary thoughts that lead to upending relationships with "homosexuals", just free standing thoughts, then why would it be surprising if homosexuals are psychologically different or difficient and so easily judged? It may easily be unrelated life stress that cause those differences that can appear to be antisocial. Can you blame "homosexual"? I have wondered how christians seem to equate homosexuality with plain immorality so strictly when there are other contexts where the depravity is much like it. If you want to rein in immorality, then make an effort to understand it. Wish I did. When in Rome, act like a closet homosexual! Get into it like feminism! I could swear I saw a halo above my head after I wrote this. Good luck to you.

Good points. I think the position of a halo does not allow you to see it yourself.
Likely this is by design.

 

[ViaCrucis]

So you compare people commiting unatural sexual acts

Sexual orientation is not an act. I'm heterosexual, that doesn't mean I'm engaging in sexual activity with women. By confusing orientation with behavior you reduce human persons to nothing more than sex acts. That dehumanizes them, that is not loving or acting in faithful obedience to Christ, it is not loving your neighbor as yourself or doing unto others as you would have them do unto you.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Albion]

Are we to assume that the OP referred to celibate homosexual persons who don't try to impose their socio-political values upon the people around them?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I attend a Christian school over in Sydney, Australia.
In recent weeks, I've discovered quite a few homosexuals (which indeed surprises me for the nature of the school I attend), with one friend being gay himself.

I've felt their overly progressive values are attempting to pull me away from God. I'm a relatively conservative Christian, for those that do not know.
I've tried praying, but nothing is working as of yet.

What can I do to resolve this? As the majority of my year group is quite progressive, I don't want to call them out for being gay or tell them they deserve death as God himself requires, as I'll be labelled a homophobe and lose all of my reputation, a typical thing the left does to silence opposition.

If this is posted in the wrong thread, I apologise, and please relocate it.

Just show them the love of Christ and quietly hold your stance on Christian faith. You don't have to go around being a clanging gong pointing the obvious out to everyone. And if they try to get you to step on over to the wild side, then you have to graciously decline. If they ask why, you'll just have to graciously inform them that you're a Christian and that you don't participate in their "progressive activities," whether they be political or sexual, or whatever.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

A perverted "orientation" is in fact a sinful orientation.

 

[FoundInGrace]

You are in that same situation. I am letting you know that you are out of line and sin can only be judged in your own life and others have zero basis to judge your sins.

... Jesus declared. “Now go and sin no more.”

....Not only did Jesus not scold her,
He let her decide what Sin is,
as well as sending accusers home tail-between-legs.

Lots to learn in this one story. In this story....where do you see yourself?
Jesus, the woman, or accusers?

A couple of places where your statements are wrong. The Bible has plenty of basis on which to judge sin. It says those who engage in homosexual relations do not inherit the kingdom of God. They can be saved but lose out due to their lifestyle. Do you want that for Raphael to miss out?

Also Jesus did not let her decide what her sin was ... It was incredibly obvious... adultery. That was the whole reason they were all there.

As believers we are allowed to judge the church. If Raphael wasn't a part of the church and actively as he calls it ministering to others then no problem. I have homosexual family members but they are not believers trying to minister to others so why should they behave any other way, they do not have the Lord to be loyal to. But Raphael is different, he has put himself in a lay leadership role within the church, and as such his church is letting him down by allowing him to keep on sinning unrependently whilst 'ministering' to others.
His church is letting down those he is ministering to as well as his sin will be affecting them. Jesus said go and sin no more yes but i guess Raphael didnt read that bit or how did you put it.. 'disagreed' with that bit of Jesus teaching so he can find a way to keep on sinning instead of following righteousness.

Would you allow that woman caught in adultery to minister in your church if she disagreed with what Jesus said and kept on in her sin of adultery unrepentant? Of course you would.

Others wouldn't.

The church is allowed to judge those within it and call a spade a spade.
Outside the church different story.

 

[Blade]

Webslave.. for me.. I dont go running to point out someones sins mistakes. Talking about me. Now.. if we are taking, it comes up.. I will share what its written. Pray for them.. its the Sweet sweet Holy Spirit that convicts the world of sin..not me. I love the.. help them.. its the light in ME.. my fruits that the again the sweet sweet Holy Spirit will use to show them.. how LOVED and lied to they have been. They WILL SEE the light IN YOU.. this is from GOD.. shine that LOVE.. His mercy His grace.. something they dont understand when they or any lost.. when ever you are around.. there is something about YOU that they dont have and some will want.. some will even hate you for no reason.. its the LIGHT in you..

But.. one has to walk in love.. praying repenting.... THIS is how they will know. The Christ IN YOU shall shine so bright and just one.. can light up the darkness! So .. rejoice.. He is in you.. it is HE they shall see and want. will ask you.. then you can share.. this love the Father has given to the world..