I thought I did address it. This speaks about everlasting contempt. I do not have to be alive to be the subject of everlasting contempt, only the one who has contempt for me must have the everlasting life.
If we ignore the fact that Dan 12:2 says "many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake ...to shame and everlasting contempt." I wonder if maybe Daniel was not given the whole picture and he didn't know that after they were awakened they would die again?
Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
In the absence of any evidence in the Bible for unconditional eternal life (in the original Hebrew and Greek), there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to consider that this might be the case. It has only been since the smuggling in of Greek dualistic thinking into the Jewish culture, from which perspective the Bible is written, that the idea that death does not mean death.
I started learning to speak Greek the year that Elvis and I were stationed in Germany and studied both Biblical languages at the graduate level about 2 decades after that and I can assure that there is in fact some kind of conscious awareness after death in the Hebrew OT and the Greek NT.
Clearly when I die, I am dead. It is only because God Himself has remembered my name that I am risen from the dead, and if I am not found in Him at this time then my name also will be written in the dust and forgotten along with all of the sins of the world.
In Isa 14 there is a long passage about the king of Babylon dying, according to many the dead know nothing. They are supposedly annihilated, destroyed, gone! But God, Himself, speaking, these dead people in שאול/sheol, know something, they move, meet the dead coming to sheol, stir up, raise up, speak and say, etc.
Isa 14:9-11 (KJV)
9) Hell [שאול ] from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
10) All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
11) Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, [שאול] and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
[ . . . ]
22) For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD.
In this passage God, himself is speaking, and I see a whole lot of shaking going on, moving, rising up, and speaking in . These dead people seem to know something, about something. We know that verses 11 through 14 describe actual historical events, the death of Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon.
Some will try to argue that this passage is figurative because fir trees don’t literally rejoice, vs. 8. They will try to argue that the passage must be figurative since God told Israel “take up this proverb against the king of Babylon.” vs. 4. The occurrence of one figurative expression in a passage does not prove that anything else in the passage is figurative. The Hebrew word משׁל/mashal translated “proverb” does not necessarily mean something is fictional. For example, Israel did not become fictional when God made them a mashal/proverb in 2 Chronicles 7:20, Psalms 44:14, and Jeremiah 24:9.
.....Here is another passage where God Himself is speaking and people who are dead in sheol, speaking, being ashamed, comforted, etc.
Ezekiel 32:18-22, 30-31 (KJV)
18) Son of man, [Ezekiel] wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down, even her, and the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the earth, with them that go down into the pit.
19) Whom dost thou pass in beauty? go down, and be thou laid with the uncircumcised.
20) They shall fall in the midst of them that are slain by the sword: she is delivered to the sword: draw her and all her multitudes.
21) The strong among the mighty shall speak to him out of the midst of hell [שאול] with them that help him: they are gone down, they lie uncircumcised, slain by the sword.
22) Asshur is there and all her company: his graves are about him: all of them slain, fallen by the sword::[ . . . ]
Ezekiel 32:30-31
(30) There be the princes of the north, all of them, and all the Zidonians, which are gone down with the slain; with their terror they are ashamed of their might; and they lie uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword, and bear their shame with them that go down to the pit.
(31) Pharaoh shall see them, and shall be comforted over all his multitude, even Pharaoh and all his army slain by the sword, saith the Lord GOD.
Then in the NT there is the story of Lazarus and the rich man.
NIV Luke 16:22-24
(22) "The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried.
(23) In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
(24) So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
.....Then the dead rich man in Hades had a conversation with Abraham. He asked Abraham to send Lazarus to give him a drop of water and send Lazarus to warn his brothers about Hades but Abraham said he could not do either.
.....Some folks insist this is only a parable but would Jesus use a false fictional story to illustrate a Bible truth? All of the parables Jesus used were about actual things within the experience of His audience, lost coins, lost sheep, ungrateful tenants, wayward son etc.
....In my [post#184] and [post#63], this thread, I documented the Biblical view of hell.
