Dispensationalist Only Explicit Teachings of Dispensationalism in Ancient Documents

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Many attempt to discredit the doctrine of Dispensationalism by claiming that it was never taught in the first eighteen centuries of the church, and therefore it could not even possibly be correct. These, like most others, think this doctrine was first taught by John Nelson Darby. There can be no doubt that Darby popularized this idea, spreading it all over the world. But he most certainly was not the first to teach it.

In my earlier thread about Dispensationalism in ancient Christian writings, I presented many general concepts found there. But this thread is about places where Dispensationalism was explicitly taught in ancient times.


Writing, as it is thought, between the years 186 and 188 A.D., Irenaeus taught the essence of dispensationalism in the following statement:

“Therefore the Son of the Father declares [Him] from the beginning, inasmuch as He was with the Father from the beginning, who did also show to the human race prophetic visions, and diversities of gifts, and His own ministrations, and the glory of the Father, in regular order and connection, at the fitting time for the benefit [of mankind]. For where there is a regular succession, there is also fixedness; and where fixedness, there suitability to the period; and where suitability, there also utility. And for this reason did the Word become the dispenser of the paternal grace for the benefit of men, for whom He made such great dispensations, revealing God indeed to men, but presenting man to God, and preserving at the same time the invisibility of the Father, lest man should at any time become a despiser of God, and that he should always possess something towards which he might advance; but, on the other hand, revealing God to men through many dispensations, lest man, failing away from God altogether, should cease to exist.” (Against Heresies, by Irenaeus, book IV, chapter XX, section 7.)

We need to notice certain key parts of this statement. Irenaeus said that God has “from the beginning” shown “to the human race prophetic visions” “in regular order and connection, at the fitting time,” and in “a regular succession,” with “suitability to the period.” And we particularly need to notice his statement that the Word was “revealing God to men through many dispensations.”


A few chapters later, Irenaeus further said, “There is one and the same God the Father, and His Word, who has been always present with the human race, by means indeed of various dispensations, and has wrought out many things, and saved from the beginning those who are saved, (for these are they who love God, and follow the Word of God according to the class to which they belong,) and has judged those who are judged, that is, those who forget God, and are blasphemous, and transgressors of His word.” (Against Heresies, by Irenaeus, book IV, chapter XXVIII, section 2.)

We already noticed in the first quotation we examined that Irenaeus said that “the Word” was “revealing God to men through many dispensations,” and that he said that this was done “at the fitting time,” in “a regular succession,” with “suitability to the period.” Now we see that he added that the Word “has been always present with the human race,” and saved various individuals “according to the class to which they belong.”

These were about past dispensations, but Irenaeus also spoke of future ones, saying, “Inasmuch, therefore, as the opinions of certain [orthodox persons] are derived from heretical discourses, they are both ignorant of God’s dispensations, and of the mystery of the resurrection of the just, and of the [earthly] kingdom which is the commencement of incorruption, by means of which kingdom those who shall be worthy are accustomed gradually to partake of the divine nature; and it is necessary to tell them respecting those things, that it behoves the righteous first to receive the promise of the inheritance which God promised to the fathers, and to reign in it, when they rise again to behold God in this creation which is renovated, and that the judgment should take place afterwards.” (Against Heresies, by Irenaeus, book V, chapter XXXII, section 1.)
In this short summary, I have included only a few statements that summarized his thoughts on the matter. But he spoke of these things many times, using the word dispensation, or its plural form dispensations, well over eighty times. He explicitly named a few of these dispensations, namely “the dispensation of the law,” (book III, chapter XI, section 7, and again in book III, chapter XV, section 3) which he also called “the Levitical Dispensation,” (book IV, Title of chapter XVII.) “the Mosaic dispensation,” (book IV, chapter XXXVI, section 2.) and “the legal dispensation.” (book III, chapter X, section 2 and the title of book V, chapter VIII.) He used this last term a third time, contrasting it with “the new dispensation of liberty” in book III, chapter X, section 4. And he spoke of the present age as “our dispensation” in book IV, chapter XV, section 2. Finally, he referred to “the future dispensation of the human race.” (book III, chapter XXII, section 3.) We should also note that he used the term the “dispensations of God,” eight times. These eight times were in book I, chapter X, section 1, book I, chapter XVI, section 3, book II, chapter XXV, section 3, book III, chapter XI, section 9, book IV, chapter XX, section 10, book IV, chapter XXI, section 3, book IV, chapter XXIII, section 1, and book IV, chapter XXXIII, section 1.

Irenaeus insisted that his doctrine of the dispensations was what the church had always taught, saying, ““The Church, though dispersed through our the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and their disciples this faith: [She believes] in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them; and in one Christ Jesus, the Son of God, who became incarnate for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit, who proclaimed through the prophets the dispensations of God, and the advents...” (Against Heresies, by Irenaeus, book I, chapter X, section 1.) He said again that “Where, therefore, the gifts of the Lord have been placed, there it behoves us to learn the truth, [namely,] from those who possess that succession of the Church which is from the apostles, and among whom exists that which is sound and blameless in conduct, as well as that which is unadulterated and incorrupt in speech. For these also preserve this faith of ours in one God who created all things; and they increase that love [which we have] for the Son of God, who accomplished such marvellous dispensations for our sake: and they expound the Scriptures to us without danger, neither blaspheming God, nor dishonouring the patriarchs, nor despising the prophets.” (Against Heresies, by Irenaeus, book IV, chapter XXVI, section 5.)
 
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Irenaeus was not the only ancient writer that spoke on such matters. Augustin spoke even more plainly than Irenaeus, clearly making them different ages by saying, “The divine institution of sacrifice was suitable in the former dispensation, but is not suitable now. For the change suitable to the present age has been enjoined by God, who knows infinitely better than man what is fitting for every age, and who is, whether He give or add, abolish or curtail, increase or diminish, the unchangeable Governor as He is the unchangeable Creator of mutable things, ordering all events in His providence until the beauty of the completed course of time, the component parts of which are the dispensations adapted to each successive age, shall be finished, like the grand melody of some ineffably wise master of song, and those pass into the eternal immediate contemplation of God who here, though it is a time of faith, not of sight, are acceptably worshipping Him.” (“Letters of Augustin, Third Division, Letter 138 - to Marcellinus,” by Augustin, section 5.)


This is the very essence of dispensationalism, for it teaches that, although God is unchangeable, he deals with mankind in different ways in different ages.

Further down in the same letter, Augustin went on to say, “For in order to let those whom these things perplex understand that the change was already in the divine counsel, and that, when the new ordinances were appointed, it was not because the old had suddenly lost the divine approbation through inconstancy in His will, but that this had been already fixed and determined by the wisdom of that God to whom, in reference to much greater changes, these words are spoken in Scripture: Thou shalt change them, and they shall be changed; but Thou art the same,” —it is necessary to convince them that this exchange of the sacraments of the Old Testament for those of the New had been predicted by the voices of the prophets.”

It is a major tenet of dispensationalism, that the changes in the ways God deals with humanity were all part of His basic plan from the very beginning. Opponents of Dispensationalism often mock is as imagining that the church is God’s “plan B.” But Dispensationalism actually teaches that these changes had been a part of God’s overall plan from the very beginning. So in this comment, Augustin was defending Dispensationalism in the same way that modern Dispensationalists defend it.

We know from the writings of John Nelson Darby that he read the early church fathers, so is it any surprise, then, that when he began to write about how God works in different ways at different times, he should have chosen the word “dispensations” to describe these various periods of time? In so doing, he was not only using the very words of scripture, but the same word used by the early church fathers to describe these same ideas.
 
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I do not see Dispenstionalism in that text op quoted. He be better off quoting Didache chapter 16
There is nothing even remotely Dispensational in that document.
 
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From: Paul P. Enns, The Moody Handbook of Theology (Chicago, IL: Moody Press, 1989), 513–514.

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Didache 16
Chapter 16. Watchfulness; the Coming of the Lord. Watch for your life's sake. Let not your lamps be quenched, nor your loins unloosed; but be ready, for you know not the hour in which our Lord will come. But come together often, seeking the things which are befitting to your souls: for the whole time of your faith will not profit you, if you are not made perfect in the last time. For in the last days false prophets and corrupters shall be multiplied, and the sheep shall be turned into wolves, and love shall be turned into hate; for when lawlessness increases, they shall hate and persecute and betray one another, and then shall appear the world-deceiver as Son of God, and shall do signs and wonders, and the earth shall be delivered into his hands, and he shall do iniquitous things which have never yet come to pass since the beginning. Then shall the creation of men come into the fire of trial, and many shall be made to stumble and shall perish; but those who endure in their faith shall be saved from under the curse itself. And then shall appear the signs of the truth: first, the sign of an outspreading in heaven, then the sign of the sound of the trumpet. And third, the resurrection of the dead -- yet not of all, but as it is said: "The Lord shall come and all His saints with Him." Then shall the world see the Lord coming upon the clouds of heaven.

2 Thessalonians 2New International Version (NIV)

2 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

5 Don’t you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

Jude 14Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

Jude 14Good News Translation (GNT)

14 It was Enoch, the seventh[a] direct descendant from Adam, who long ago prophesied this about them: “The Lord will come with many thousands of his holy angels

Jude 14New International Version (NIV)

14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: “See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones
 
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1 The First Epistle of Clement chaps. 22-37. According to Jesse Forrest Silver, Clement's premillennialism is evident in these chapters by his "repeated exhortations 'in view of the second coming of Christ'" (The Lord's Return [New York: Fleming H. Revell, Co., 1914], p. 51). Clement's supposed premillennialism is usually based on his association with the apostles, especially Paul (Phil 4:3), and their eschatological teachings. See George N. H. Peters, The Theocratic Kingdom of Our Lord Jesus, the Christ, 3 vols. (Grand Rapids: Kregel Publications, 1957), 1:494-95; Daniel T. Taylor, The Reign of Christ on Earth (Boston: Scriptural Tract Repository, 1882), p. 51; and J. A. Seiss, The Last Times (Baltimore: T. Newton Kurtz, 1859), pp. 238-39.



2 The First Epistle of Clement chap. 23.



3 Premillennialism: Epistle to the Ephesians chap. 11 (refs. to "last times"). This evidence is set forth by Peters, The Theocratic Kingdom, 1:495, and Taylor, The Reign of Christ on Earth, p. 54, and quoted with approval by Charles C. Ryrie, The Basis of the Premillennial Faith (Neptune, NJ: Loizeaux Brothers, 1953), p. 21. First resurrection (not explicitly so-called): Epistle to the Romans chap. 4; quoted by Taylor, p. 54, and Richard Cunningham Shimeall, Christ's Second Coming (New York: John F. Trow and Richard Brinkerhoff, 1865), pp. 63-64. The evidence cited for Ignatius on both premillennialism and the first resurrection is not altogether compelling.



BSac 144:575 (Jul 87) p. 274



4 Epistle to Polycarp chaps. 1, 3.



5 Epistle to the Philippians chap. 5. Position based on Polycarp's association with the Apostle John and with premillenarians like Papias (see Irenaeus Against Heresies 5.33.4; Peters, The Theocratic Kingdom, 1:495; Taylor, The Reign of Christ on Earth, pp. 54-55; Shimeall, Christ's Second Coming, p. 64; Silver, The Lord's Return, p. 60; and John F. Walvoord, The Millennial Kingdom [Grand Rapids: Zondervan Pub. House, 1959], p. 39).



6 Fragments 4 and 6.



7 The Didache chap. 16, secs. 6-7. The position here is based primarily on the belief in a double resurrection (see Ryrie, The Basis of the Premillennial Faith, pp. 19-20).



8 Ibid., secs. 1-3.



9 Epistle of Barnabas chap. 15.



10 Ibid., chap. 21.



11 The Shepherd of Hermas Similitudes 3 and 4. Almost everyone, it is said, concedes that Hermas was premillennial (cf. Peters, The Theocratic Kingdom, 1:495; Walvoord, The Millennial Kingdom, p. 119; and Ryrie, The Basis of the Premillennial Faith, p. 20). The evidence, however, falls short of being conclusive.



12 The Shepherd of Hermas Visions 4 and 11. Is this a reference to the pretribulation rapture? See also Similitude 9, 7, where the Master is expected to "come suddenly" to examine the tower. This seems to be a reference to rapture out of the midst of on-going tribulation (i.e., Roman persecution), or a type of imminent intratribulationism rather than pretribulationism.



13 Dialogue with Trypho chap. 81; frag. 15. (Cf. Taylor, The Reign of Christ on Earth, p. 59, quote credited to Justin.)



14Ibid., chaps. 27-29, 43, 45-47, 80-81 et al.



15 Premillennialism: Dialogue with Trypho chaps. 80-81 (esp. 81). Double resurrection: Dialogue with Trypho chaps. 80-81, 113 ("the holy resurrection").



16 See Taylor, p. 66; Peters, The Theocratic Kingdom, 1:495; Silver, The Lord's Return, p. 66 (based on Jerome, Comm. on Ezek 36; Gennadius, De Dogm. Eccl., chap. 52).



17 Theophilus to Autolycus 3.28. (See Silver, The Lord's Returnn, p. 62.)



18 Jerome Lives of Illustrious Men chap. 18. (Cf. Peters, The Theocratic Kingdom, 1:496.)



19 Against Heresies 5.23.2; 5.28.2-3; 5.29.2.



20 Ibid., 3.10.2; 3.11.8; 3.16.8.



21 Premillennialism: Against Heresies 5.33-36; Proof of Apostolic Preaching 57 and 61. Double resurrection: Against Heresies 5.35.1-2 ("resurrection of the just" versus "the general resurrection").



22 Against Heresies 5.29.1. While this citation seems to teach pretribulationism, elsewhere (5.35.1) Irenaeus placed the resurrection of the just after the coming of Antichrist.



23 Fragments from Commentaries On Daniel 2.4-6.



BSac 144:575 (Jul 87) p. 275



24 Fragments from Commentaries On Daniel 2.4, 40.



25 Treatise on Christ and Antichrist 5 ("the sudden appearing of the Lord").



26 See Peters, The Theocratic Kingdom, 1:498, and Seiss, The Last Times, p. 242; The Stromata 4.24.



27 Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, eds., The Ante-Nicene Fathers, 10 vols. (Grand Rapids: Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co., n.d.), 2:476, Elucidation 3.



28 A Treatise on the Soul chap. 37 (possible weak reference to year-day theory).



29 An Answer to the Jews chaps. 2-6 (esp. chap. 2).



30 Premillennialism: Against Marcion 3.25. Double resurrection: A Treatise on the Soul chap. 55; Against Marcion 3.25.



31 Apology chap. 21 (the Second Advent "impends over the world, now near its close"); The Shows chap. 30 ("that fast approaching advent of our Lord").



32 Fragments of Chronography of Julius Africanus 1.18.4. See Johannes Quasten, Patrology, 3 vols. (Westminster, MD: Christian Classics, 1983), 2:138.



33 Treatise XI, "On the Exhortation to Martyrdom," 11.



34 Treatise IV, "On the Lord's Supper," 13; Treatise VII, "On the Mortality," 18.



35 Treatise I, "On the Unity of the Church," 27.



36 Eusebius Church History 7.24; Jerome Lives of Illustrious Men chap. 69.



37 Eusebius Church History 7.24.



38 The Instructions of Commodianus 80.



39 Premillennialism: Instructions 43-44, 80. Double resurrection: Instructions 33, 41, 80.



40 On the Creation of the World (short, no divisions).



41 Ibid., ("four generations of people").



42 Ibid., (Christ to reign with the elect in the seventh millennium); Commentary on the Apocalypse of the Blessed John chap. 5.8-9; Jerome Lives of Illustrious Men chap. 18.



43 The Banquet of the Ten Virgins discourse 9, chaps. 1, 5; Fragments 9.



44 Ibid., discourse 7, chaps. 5-7; discourse 10, chaps. 2-4.



45 Ibid., discourse 9, chaps. 1, 5.



46 The Divine Institutes 7.14, 25-26; The Epitome of the Divine Institutes chap. 70.



47 Premillennialism: The Divine Institutes 7.14, 24-26; The Epitome of the Divine Institutes chap. 72. Double resurrection: The Divine Institutes 7.22-23, 26; The Epitome of the Divine Institutes chap. 72.



48 Taylor, The Reign of Christ on Earth, p. 94.



49 Epiphanius Medicine Box against Heresies 77.36-38; Basil Letter 263.4.



50 Taylor, p. 96.



51 In Isaiam proph. lib. 18; in Hieremiam proph. lib. 4; ad Jer 19:10f.



BSac 144:575 (Jul 87) p. 276



52 On the Catechising of the Uninstructed chap. 17.28; Sermons on New Testament Lessons Sermon 75, sect. 4; On the Gospel of St. John Tractate 15, secs. 6 and 9; Tractate 9, sec. 6; On the Psalms, Psalm. 6.1.



53 Ibid.



54 The City of God 20.7.



55 In 2 Thessalonians 2:8-9; in 1 Corinthians 15:52.



56 Arnold D. Ehlert, A Bibliographic History of Dispensationalism (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1965), p. 29.



57 Compendium of Heretics' Fables 5.21.



58 Ehlert, A Bibliographic History of Dispensationalism, pp. 18-19.



59 Thomas Burnet, Sacred Theory of the Earth (London: J. McGowan, n.d.), p. 260.



60 Ibid.



61 Ehlert, p. 18.



62 Exposition of the Orthodox Faith 2.1.Amazon.com (Kindle or used paperback).

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Those who consider themselves historic premillennialists distinguish themselves from dispensationalists by insisting that premillennialism was embraced by the earliest church fathers, whereas dispensationalism with its literal hermeneutic which distinguishes Israel and the church as two people of God, was not.37[1]

37 For an excellent discussion of the contrast between the two viewpoints see The Meaning of the Millennium, ed. Clouse, pp. 17–116.

[1] Robert P. Lightner, Handbook of Evangelical Theology: A Historical, Biblical, and Contemporary Survey and Review (Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel Publications, 1995), 273.

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The early Christian writers were futurists. This was so all pervasive that, even as late as the fifth century, Jerome wrote:

"We should therefore concur with the traditional interpretation of all the commentators of the Christian Church, that at the end of the world, when the Roman Empire is to be destroyed, there shall be ten kings who will partition the Roman world amongst themselves. Then an insignificant eleventh king will arise, who will overcome three of the ten kings, ..." (Jerome’s comments on Daniel 7:8, as found in “Jerome’s Commentary on Daniel,” translated by Gleason L. Archer, Jr., published by Baker Book House, Grand Rapids, 1958.)

In addition, almost all of the early Christian writers were also pre-millennial.

But neither of these is the subject of this thread, which is explicit teachings of Dispensationalism in ancient Christian documents.
 
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I ran across a book not too long ago dedicated to this subject that I'm currently reading through. It's called, 'Dispensationalism Before Darby: Seventeenth-Century and Eighteenth-Century English Apocalypticism', by William C. Watson. It more than adequately crushes the idea that dispensationalism began with Darby.
 
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I read somewhere that Rapture was developed by Francisco Riberia (1537-1591).

In the book I mentioned in post 12, the author cites a 1479 work by Denys van Leeuwen where the both the pre-trib rapture and the Tribulation itself is mentioned. So, I'm guessing it wasn't developed a century later.
 
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I ran across a book not too long ago dedicated to this subject that I'm currently reading through. It's called, 'Dispensationalism Before Darby: Seventeenth-Century and Eighteenth-Century English Apocalypticism', by William C. Watson. It more than adequately crushes the idea that dispensationalism began with Darby.

That is a most excellent work, well documented by a true expert in the subject, as he was already a professor of seventeenth and eighteenth century English literature before he started this work.

But I rarely quote him because I avoid using secondary sources. Unless I state otherwise, almost everything I post about ancient documents is something that I have personally read, and therefore, that I personally know is not only accurately quoted, but is also quoted in its correct context.

On page 45, he listed fifteen writers from the 1500s and 1600s who taught that the Jews would return to their ancient homeland. And he omitted William Lowth, who very clearly and repeatedly stated this in the very early 1700s, and from whom I have quoted extensively. And on page 280 he listed forty writers from the 1500s through the 1700s who were either lovers of Israel or who expected the restoration Israel.

On page 130 he listed no less that 40 writers from the 1500s through the 1700s, who clearly referred to dispensations.

On page 177 he listed 19 teachers from the 1300s through the 170s, that spoke of the Lord's taking his own as being "rapt" or called it a "rapture," as well as six more from the 1600s and 1700s who spoke of those "left behind" when this happened.

On page 178 he listed eleven writers from the 1600s and 1700s who spoke of separate resurrections well before the destruction of the earth, and fourteen more from the same era who spoke of the saints being taken to heaven to escape troubles on the earth.

And all this was only summaries. He filled approximately 300 pages with explicit detail about all this.
 
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That is a most excellent work, well documented by a true expert in the subject, as he was already a professor of seventeenth and eighteenth century English literature before he started this work.

But I rarely quote him because I avoid using secondary sources. Unless I state otherwise, almost everything I post about ancient documents is something that I have personally read, and therefore, that I personally know is not only accurately quoted, but is also quoted in its correct context.

On page 45, he listed fifteen writers from the 1500s and 1600s who taught that the Jews would return to their ancient homeland. And he omitted William Lowth, who very clearky and repeatedly in the very early 1700s, and from whom I have quoted extensively. And on page 280 he listed forty writers from the 1500s through the 1700s who were either lovers of Israel or who expected the restoration Israel.

On page 130 he listed no less that 40 writers from the 1500s through the 1700s, who clearly referred to dispensations.

On page 177 he listed 19 teachers from the 1300s through the 170s, that spoke of the Lord's takinh his own as being "rapt" or it a "rapture," as well as six more from the 1600s and 1700s who spoke of those "left behind" when this happened.

On page 178 he listed eleven writers from the 1600s and 1700s who spoke of separate resurrections well before the destruction of the earth, and fourteen more from the same era who spoke of the saints being taken to heaven to escape troubles on the earth.

And all this was only summaries. He filled approximately 300 pages with explicit detail about all this.

I haven't had the book too long now. Heard about it recently on some podcast, it was mentioned in passing. I recall stopping the stream at that point and went straight to Amazon to check it out.

I agree that it seems to be a very good book on the topic so far. At least now I personally have a handy resource available whenever someone comes along parroting the line that Darby created dispensationalism from some girl's dream, I can demonstrate in print that it was around long before Darby, not that it would open their eyes at all.
 
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I haven't had the book too long now. Heard about it recently on some podcast, it was mentioned in passing. I recall stopping the stream at that point and went straight to Amazon to check it out.

I agree that it seems to be a very good book on the topic so far. At least now I personally have a handy resource available whenever someone comes along parroting the line that Darby created dispensationalism from some girl's dream, I can demonstrate in print that it was around long before Darby, not that it would open their eyes at all.

They do not know because they do not wish to know, and no amount of solid proof will change the opinions they love to hold.

I have studied a different part of Christian history, concentrating mainly on ancient times, and have repeatedly posted explicit statements of the doctrine of a rapture before the great tribulation, dating to more than a thousand years before Darby was born. And they simply refuse to accept that fact, because they actually prefer to believe that the idea came from a demon possessed teenage girl.
 
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I haven't had the book too long now. Heard about it recently on some podcast, it was mentioned in passing. I recall stopping the stream at that point and went straight to Amazon to check it out.

A few of the writers he quotes are now available in their entirities online, and I am checking them out.
 
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