Origin of Satan

[Sammy-San]

I once explained to a cousin that Satan is a god and he accused me of showing Satan too much respect. I guess if you aren't haranguing with bloodshot eyes and red in the face and yelling condemnations against the Devil when discussing him you will be considered suspect. I just had one of my explanations about that abominable beast sarcastically tagged as being friendly.

Is it bibical to say Adam gave dominion of this world to the devil?

The devil is the father of lies-how could he have been telling Jesus the truth about kingdoms of the world?

 

[Waggles]

@he-man
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Ephesians 6:11-18

Again reaffirming the one and only gospel arising from the Day of Pentecost -
that believers need the indwelling Holy Spirit to displace and combat the power of Satan and evil.

16 He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils;
they shall speak with new tongues;
Mark 16:16-17
The day I received the indwelling Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues my demons and the power that
Satan had over me were cast out... I expereinced my first miracles of healing and deliverance that
very afternoon.

 

[Radrook]

Is it bibical to say Adam gave dominion of this world to the devil?

The devil is the father of lies-how could he have been telling Jesus the truth about kingdoms of the world?

Being Father of the lie does not mean that he or his cronies are forced to speak lies at a all times. Please notice that the demons correctly identified Jesus as the Son of God and his apostles as servants of a God whom they correctly describe as the Most High.

Mark 1: 24 Suddenly a man with an unclean spirit cried out in the synagogue: 24“What do You want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have You come to destroy us? I know who You are — the Holy One of God!”

Acts 16:17 ►
New International Version
She followed Paul and the rest of us, shouting, "These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved."

Additionally we have scriptures which corroborate that he indeed was speaking the truth about his power [temporary] over this world.

1 John 5:19 ►
New International Version
We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.

 

[Sammy-San]

Being Father of the lie does not mean that he or his cronies are forced to speak lies at a all times. Please notice that the demons correctly identified Jesus as the Son of God and his apostles as servants of a God whom they correctly describe as the Most High.





Additionally we have scriptures which corroborate that he indeed was speaking the truth about his power [temporary] over this world.

Speaking about the devil lying, the video on Youtube where John Ramirez says the devil told him wearing a halloween costume changes spiritual identity and that is why he wants Christians to dress up-do you believe that is true?

What is your view on Christians claiming the devil is jealous of our salvation. That is an irrelevant mystery to me. If that's the case, why would he want Jesus to worship him? Somebody on Youtube told me this.

The story about Satan and demons being desperately angry at us because they are hopelessly heading to eternal lake of fire, is a very terrible. In that story demons are trying to drag us into evilness because they are hopeless, because they cannot get to Heaven anymore, because there is nothing else to do. This is a false picture, which makes God look to be a monster who decided to burn Satan and his angels for eternity and gave them a little time to drag people with them. The reality is, Satan and demons surely do hate us and tries to drag us into sin, but not because they are hopeless and has nothing else to do. The reason they hate us is because it is their core nature, they love to hate, they love to destroy, to kill, to create chaos, pain and suffering.

To me that seems blasphemous-God's forgiveness is a privilege not a right.

 

[Radrook]

Speaking about the devil lying, the video on Youtube where John Ramirez says the devil told him wearing a halloween costume changes spiritual identity and that is why he wants Christians to dress up-do you believe that is true?

What is your view on Christians claiming the devil is jealous of our salvation. That is an irrelevant mystery to me. If that's the case, why would he want Jesus to worship him? Somebody on Youtube told me this.

To me that seems blasphemous-God's forgiveness is a privilege not a right.

Dressing up as demons or devils, witches, sorcerers, might indeed be taken as an invitation for demon possession involving the transformation of the person's personality. Also, a Christian is expected to find such things repulsive as their heavenly Father does.

Leviticus 19:31 ESV
“Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God.

Exodus 22:18 ESV
“You shall not permit a sorceress to live.

So going along with that custom is incompatible with Christianity.

Here is some backround info on Halloween:
THE TRUTH ABOUT HALLOWEEN

Is the Devil Jealous?

Well, he doesn't want to die but is scheduled to and can't do anything about it.
In fact he has known this from the beginning:

Genesis 3:15 ►
New International Version
And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel."

Does he feel glad that others will continue living after he is obliterated? No, he doesn't. He feels wrath!

Revelation 12:12 ►
New International Version
Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short."

Does he know that others who join him will share his fate? Yes he does. That's why he is called a murderer:

John 8:44 ►
New International Version
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth,....

Does he still try to convince then to join him? The Bible tells us that he will continue to do so even after the thousand year reign of Christi's over. So obviously he wants others to share his disaster.

Does this mean that he is jealous of the way Christians are in a relationship with God? No because he considers Christian obedience to God foolish. Only jealousy is in reference to others being alive after he is dead.


BTW
When considering angels one has to keep in mind that they were created above mankind in power and in intellectual abilities.

However, in order to maintain that status retention of holiness or respectful allegiance to our Heavenly Father was required.

Once rebellion set in holiness was lost and with it the intellectual abilities to behave rationally because creatures created in Gods image cannot go contrary to his will or behave disrespectfully without becoming foolish.

Proverbs 9:10 ►
New International Version
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

There is also evidence that some of these rebels have gone insane. That can be deduced from their insane behavior when they possess some people.

Screaming, growling, and rolling on the floor isn't what one might call sanity and if the human involved isn't responsible then the entity in control is and so deserves the classification of insane.

 

[Sammy-San]

Dressing up as demons or devils, witches, sorcerers, might indeed be taken as an invitation for demon possession involving the transformation of the person's personality. Also, a Christian is expected to find such things repulsive as their heavenly Father does.



So going along with that custom is incompatible with Christianity.

Here is some backround info on Halloween:
THE TRUTH ABOUT HALLOWEEN

Is the Devil Jealous?

Well, he doesn't want to die but is scheduled to and can't do anything about it. Does he feel glad that others will continue living as after he is obliterated? No, he doesn't. Does he know that others who join him will share his fate? Yes he does.

Does he still try to convince then to join him? The Bible tells us that he will continue to do so even after the thousand year reign of Christi's over. So obviously he wants others to share his disaster.

Does this mean that he is jealous of the way Christians are in a relationship with God? No because he considers Christian obedience to God foolish. Only jealousy is in reference to others being alive after he is dead.


BTW
When considering angels one has to keep in mind that they were created above mankind in power and in intellectual abilities.

However, in order to maintain that status retention of holiness or respectful allegiance to our Heavenly Father was required.

Once rebellion set in holiness was lost and with it the intellectual abilities to behave rationally because creatures created in Gods image cannot go contrary to his will or behave disrespectfully without becoming foolish.



There is also evidence that some of these rebels have gone insane. That can be deduced from their insane behavior when they possess some people.

Screaming, growling, and rolling on the floor isn't what one might call sanity and if the human involved isn't responsible then the entity in control is and so deserves the classification of insane.

Only God reads minds. How does wearing certain clothes invite demons to change personality-do they know the intent of the person? I can elaborate that question if I am not making sense.

I heard in church demons cannot inhabit a Christian, btw.

How do people know what demons look like-some speculate they still look like angels.

I don't even want to fill my mind with such unhealthy information. God didn't include that in the bible because he wants his children to focus on things of Him.

 

[Radrook]

Only God reads minds. How does wearing certain clothes invite demons to change personality-do they know the intent of the person? I can elaborate that question if I am not making sense.

I heard in church demons cannot inhabit a Christian, btw.

How do people know what demons look like-some speculate they still look like angels.

I don't even want to fill my mind with such unhealthy information. God didn't include that in the bible because he wants his children to focus on things of Him.

Well, if you feel that dressing up as Satan, a demon a witch or a sorcerer doesn't invite the Devil to take happy notice then I guess we will have to simply agree to disagree.


BTW

True, God protects Christians, but Christians are expected to make his heart rejoice by being respectfully prudent and not take matters that he considers very serious for entertainment purposes.

Proverbs 27:11 ►
New International Version
Be wise, my son, and bring joy to my heart; then I can answer anyone who treats me with contempt.

Once we start doing the opposite, then we are taking his protection promise for granted and might just remove ourselves unwittingly from under its cover just as Israel repeatedly did and suffered the dire consequences..

 

[AlexDTX]

So why does anyone even want to think there is a supernatural being such as a Satan that can never die and would have to be immortal if he was equal unto the angels and still lives after 6,000 years, when Luke says those that obtain resurrection Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels

I see many have answered so my comment may be a repetition. I hope not.

First, the context of Jesus made in his statement is that in heaven we do not marry just as the angels do not marry. Regarding immortality, angels do not die, so, yes we will be equal in that since after we are glorified. Satan however will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, as will all people who reject salvation, and they will never die in the Lake of Fire.

It is not clear what your point is. Are you saying we should not be concerned with Satan if we are saved? That would be a foolish position, since we wrestle not against flesh and blood but principalities and powers.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

...this because God alone is the source of all life, and those who are separated from Him are separated from life?

A complete destruction...not only a separation.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Ive read “satan” is just a generic term for an adversarial role. " Is that bibical?

It is Hebrew...Shin Tet Nun

 

[AFrazier]

Is it really important that we all believe in Satan? Isnt the belief in God/Jesus the only requirement for Salvation? I AM the Lord and besides Me there is no other. The Lord our God is One.. Is it right to believe that this other person/god exists?

Yes, it's important. Yes, it's right to believe he exists. Because Jesus said he exists. Because it's scripture. Because Michael and the host of heaven fight him in Revelation 12:7-11, where he is mentioned by name in Revelation 12:9, along with all his other known names; the great dragon, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan.

Again, if you want to believe he doesn't exist, be my guest. I disagree with you. If you're a Christian, it's not about the stuffy interpretation of the Old Testament done by someone who is disregarding the New Testament. It's about the Bible as a whole. And according to the Bible as a whole, Satan exists.

 

[Sammy-San]

Well, if you feel that dressing up as Satan, a demon a witch or a sorcerer doesn't invite the Devil to take happy notice then I guess we will have to simply agree to disagree.


BTW

True, God protects Christians, but Christians are expected to make his heart rejoice by being respectfully prudent and not take matters that he considers very serious for entertainment purposes.



Once we start doing the opposite, then we are taking his protection promise for granted and might just remove ourselves unwittingly from under its cover just as Israel repeatedly did and suffered the dire consequences..

I wasn't disagreeing with you. The issue is this.

How do you know what satan/demons really look like? Do evil spirits read minds to know our intent that we dress up as them-I heard only God read minds? It's possible the enemy doesn't look the way he is commonly portrayed, but it doesn't matter. Speculating on that issue is not profitable for a Christian.

Do you believe a Christian can be demonized? Somebody on Youtube told me these verses in a discussion about it. Matthew 12:43-45 and
2 Peter 2:20-22.

 

[Sammy-San]

It is Hebrew...Shin Tet Nun

Is Hebrew the language of heaven?

Whether it is or not is not relevant but I wonder what you thought.

 

[Radrook]

I wasn't disagreeing with you. The issue is this.

How do you know what satan/demons really look like? Do evil spirits read minds to know our intent that we dress up as them-I heard only God read minds? It's possible the enemy doesn't look the way he is commonly portrayed, but it doesn't matter. Speculating on that issue is not profitable for a Christian.

Do you believe a Christian can be demonized? Somebody on Youtube told me these verses in a discussion about it. Matthew 12:43-45 and
2 Peter 2:20-22.

The scripture you re referring to is in relation to people who have either become Christians and then for some reason, either persecution, succumbing to temptation, turned back to the world.
Before they might have been sinning out of ignorance. But once they gain accurate knowledge then their sinning is no longer based on ignorance so they are worse off than they had been prior to learning the truth. If such a person had been under demonic attack prior to becoming a Christian then that persons risks coming under attack again with a vengeance.

2 Peter 2:20-22New International Version (NIV)

20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning)' 21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22 Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit, and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”

Christians on the other hand don't have to walk around in fear of being Satanically possessed or molested. We have the greatest power I the universe on our side and nothing can overcame that power.

Psalm 91: 9For you have made the LORD, my refuge, Even the Most High, your dwelling place. 10No evil will befall you, Nor will any plague come near your tent. 11For He will give His angels charge concerning you, To guard you in all your ways.…

BTW
Knowing what Satan or his demons look like isn't important. It's knowing their schemes that is essential in order to protect ourselves.

2 Corinthians 2:11 ►
New International Version
in order that Satan might not outwit us. For we are not unaware of his schemes

 

[Sammy-San]

The scripture you re referring to is in relation to people who have either become Christians and then for some reason, either persecution, succumbing to temptation, turned back to the world.
Before they might have been sinning out of ignorance. But once they gain accurate knowledge then their sinning is no longer based on ignorance so they are worse off than they had been prior to learning the truth. If such a person had been under demonic attack prior to becoming a Christian then that persons risks coming under attack again with a vengeance.



Christians on the other hand don't have to walk around in fear of being Satanically possessed or molested. We have the greatest power I the universe on our side and nothing can overcame that power.

So did Judas lose his salvation?

 

[Radrook]

So did Judas lose his salvation?

One can't lose something that one has never had.

 

[Sammy-San]

One can't lose something that one has never had.

Wasn't he one of the apostles doing miracles?

 

[Radrook]

Wasn't he one of the apostles doing miracles?

Jesus said that salvation requires standing firm or endurance:

Matthew 24:13 ►
New International Version
but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

1 Corinthians 9:25
Everyone who competes in the games trains with strict discipline. They do it for a crown that is perishable, but we do it for a crown that is imperishable

1 Timothy 1:19
holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and thereby shipwrecked their faith.

 

[Sammy-San]

The scripture you re referring to is in relation to people who have either become Christians and then for some reason, either persecution, succumbing to temptation, turned back to the world.
Before they might have been sinning out of ignorance. But once they gain accurate knowledge then their sinning is no longer based on ignorance so they are worse off than they had been prior to learning the truth. If such a person had been under demonic attack prior to becoming a Christian then that persons risks coming under attack again with a vengeance.



Christians on the other hand don't have to walk around in fear of being Satanically possessed or molested. We have the greatest power I the universe on our side and nothing can overcame that power.



BTW
Knowing what Satan or his demons look like isn't important. It's knowing their schemes that is essential in order to protect ourselves.

It is irrelevant and I believe spiritually unhealthy and toxic to think of that. Would you agree with that statement?

What is your view on what John said?

 

[Sammy-San]

Jesus said that salvation requires standing firm or endurance:

Judas: “Once Saved” – “Forever Lost”

Judas was not the only one that Satan used so masterfully. What about Peter? When Jesus rebuked him saying, "Get thee behind me, Satan" (Matthew 16:23). Whether Satan entered in or not, he turned Peter so masterfully that Jesus had to address the devil as if Peter was not even there. Does that mean that Peter was not Jesus' disciple?

What about John 6:70? "Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?" This was a future prophecy not yet fulfilled at that time but recorded in the present tense as was Isaiah 9:6 ("For unto us a child is born ..."). Compare also the terminology in Psalm 41:9 which refers to Jesus and Judas one thousand years later-spoken in the present tense.

In Matthew 17:22-23 Jesus foretells His betrayal. Verse 23 gives the disciples' response, "And they were exceeding sorry." Judas was exceeding sorry. He apparently did not know he would be the one to betray Jesus.

Judas was called, commissioned, chosen, and ordained an apostle of Christ by our Lord Himself. He preached repentance, healed the sick, cast out devils, and had the treasury bag. John 4:2 says he baptized others. Mark 9:35-41 says he belonged to Jesus. Note especially verse 35, "the twelve," and verse 41, "because ye belong to Christ." He believed on Jesus (John 2:11). John 12:4 says, "Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him." Both statements in this verse are true. He was a disciple who also then betrayed his Lord, became a devil (John 6:70), a thief (John 12:6), a murderer, and a traitor (someone who once belonged to a person or a cause but betrayed the cause). You can't betray what you never pledged allegiance to. Through covetousness he was drowned in destruction and perdition (1 Timothy 6:9-10), and through transgression he fell (Acts 1:25). He became lost and the son of perdition (John 17:12), and went to his own place (hell), whereas before his fall he was destined to go to heaven.