I thought that Jesus was really using Beelzebub to cast out demons!

[Sammy-San]

Whether I agree or not... the word blasphemy means "to speak evil against." The idea of "evil" is an intent of the heart... so if one makes a joke, even in poor taste, but the intent was not evil it might be stupid, maybe even a sin... but not blasphemy. The idea of blasphemy carries the idea of a heart intent to speak evil against another.

What sin would that be?

 

[Sammy-San]

Whether I agree or not... the word blasphemy means "to speak evil against." The idea of "evil" is an intent of the heart... so if one makes a joke, even in poor taste, but the intent was not evil it might be stupid, maybe even a sin... but not blasphemy. The idea of blasphemy carries the idea of a heart intent to speak evil against another.

Would you say all insults is evil in intent?

One time I got nervous because I had OCD to the effect that i idolize people as God, and I said in my mind "I renounce these retards".

 

[Ken Rank]

Would you say all insults is evil in intent?

Not always... evil is a heart condition and you and I are not able to see the heart of another like God can. The difference should be hinged to the idea of "is it intentional" or "did he just lose his temper?" I think blasphemy of the Spirit comes with intention to do (or say in this case) evil. If you watched Yeshua doing a miracle and knew he was a man of God but then claimed his works were from the devil... that is with INTENT. But if God healed you of something, and you didn't know He did the work and gave credit to your doctor... is that blasphemy or a mistaken understanding? I think the latter.

 

[Sammy-San]

Not always... evil is a heart condition and you and I are not able to see the heart of another like God can. The difference should be hinged to the idea of "is it intentional" or "did he just lose his temper?" I think blasphemy of the Spirit comes with intention to do (or say in this case) evil. If you watched Yeshua doing a miracle and knew he was a man of God but then claimed his works were from the devil... that is with INTENT. But if God healed you of something, and you didn't know He did the work and gave credit to your doctor... is that blasphemy or a mistaken understanding? I think the latter.

So evil means to degrade a person?

 

[Ken Rank]

So evil means to degrade a person?

No, evil is behavior or thought that stands opposed to God's character. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is speaking evil (words that are opposed to God and His character) about Him.

 

[Sammy-San]

No, evil is behavior or thought that stands opposed to God's character. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is speaking evil (words that are opposed to God and His character) about Him.

Are you saying shows like family guy arent blasphemous?

 

[Ken Rank]

Are you saying shows like family guy arent blasphemous?

I didn't say that. Shows like that are speaking evil against God, often. The question is, have the writers had a relationship with God and are now turning against Him... or is their behavior against God done in ignorance? I don't know... I do know, I wouldn't watch that show.

 

[Sammy-San]

I didn't say that. Shows like that are speaking evil against God, often. The question is, have the writers had a relationship with God and are now turning against Him... or is their behavior against God done in ignorance? I don't know... I do know, I wouldn't watch that show.

What sin would you call it-mild blasphemy, coarse jokes?

 

[Ken Rank]

What sin would you call it-mild blasphemy, coarse jokes?

What difference does it make? If it is sin we should avoid it. Sin stands on contrast to the character and authority of God... it detracts from His reputation when people who call on Him take part in sin. In fact, the idea of "profaning His name" means when one claims Him but then lives in opposition to His will and character. Righteous is righteous... unrighteous is unrighteous... let's not look for ways to make sin acceptable.

 

[Honoluluwindow]

Respectfully, I disagree. The national sin of Israel, while grievous, is something God said He would forgive. Deuteronomy 30:1-6, all of Hosea 1 and other places show a cutting off but then an allowing back into the fold. This isn't written once (I just shared 2 witnesses), it is repeated many times in much of the Prophets. The unpardonable sin is mentioned after Yeshua does a miracle and those who watch it attribute the work not to God who did the work, but to Beelzebub.

It was only unpardonable for that generation of Israel and not subsequent generations. Similar to their experience at Kadesh Barnea.
Paul, James (Yeshua's half brother) both were guilty of the national rejection of Yeshua but both were forgiven as individuals.
After the unpardonable sin of Mt 12, Yeshua's ministry changed. The offer of setting up the kingdom was rescinded and the Kingdom Program went into its mystery form.
Hosea 5:19 states that Israel must confess the unpardonable sin of Mt 12 before Yeshua will return. Yeshua only left His place at the incarnation the virgin birth. His place? Heaven. He returned there to the right hand of the Father and will remain there until Israel confesses their one single offense (Hosea 5:19). When did He leave heaven? And what was the one single offense committed by the nation that caused Him to rescind the offer of the Kingdom?
Again, the unpardonable sin is a national sin and not an individual sin that can be committed by individual believers such as you or me. The unpardonable sin marks the great turning point in the Bible. Brother braydeno is foolishly toying with the idea that he has committed it thru smoking weed lmao.

 

[Ken Rank]

It was only unpardonable for that generation of Israel and not subsequent generations. Similar to their experience at Kadesh Barnea.
Paul, James (Yeshua's half brother) both were guilty of the national rejection of Yeshua but both were forgiven as individuals.
After the unpardonable sin of Mt 12, Yeshua's ministry changed. The offer of setting up the kingdom was rescinded and the Kingdom Program went into its mystery form.
Hosea 5:19 states that Israel must confess the unpardonable sin of Mt 12 before Yeshua will return. Yeshua only left His place at the incarnation the virgin birth. His place? Heaven. He returned there to the right hand of the Father and will remain there until Israel confesses their one single offense (Hosea 5:19). When did He leave heaven? And what was the one single offense committed by the nation that caused Him to rescind the offer of the Kingdom?
Again, the unpardonable sin is a national sin and not an individual sin that can be committed by individual believers such as you or me. The unpardonable sin marks the great turning point in the Bible. Brother braydeno is foolishly toying with the idea that he has committed it thru smoking weed lmao.

Explained that way, I think I agree. Generally when somebody makes a statement to that there is the eternal idea behind it. I don't go there. Israel wandered in the wilderness for 40 years and that generation did not get to see the Promised land because of their sins. But that doesn't mean they have no eternal hope, heck, Moses was among them. So when I saw what you wrote, I made an assumption that I guess was wrong. My apologies.

 

[Sammy-San]

What difference does it make? If it is sin we should avoid it. Sin stands on contrast to the character and authority of God... it detracts from His reputation when people who call on Him take part in sin. In fact, the idea of "profaning His name" means when one claims Him but then lives in opposition to His will and character. Righteous is righteous... unrighteous is unrighteous... let's not look for ways to make sin acceptable.

During prayer about OCD I thought, "You told me a million times Holy Spirit"-to make me feel that my OCD isn't real.

 

[Ken Rank]

During prayer about OCD I thought, "You told me a million times Holy Spirit"-to make me feel that my OCD isn't real.

 

[Sammy-San]

Whether I agree or not... the word blasphemy means "to speak evil against." The idea of "evil" is an intent of the heart... so if one makes a joke, even in poor taste, but the intent was not evil it might be stupid, maybe even a sin... but not blasphemy. The idea of blasphemy carries the idea of a heart intent to speak evil against another.

Je Suis Charlie? Non! – The Christian Response to The Paris Terror Attacks

Charlie Hedbo also repeatedly blasphemed Jesus Christ in its publications. Although it is not getting the same amount of press, there were numerous issues that depicted blasphemous images such as the Holy Trinity in fornication, The Lord Jesus Christ requesting to come down from the cross and a host of other blatantly offensive and blasphemous cartoons. Why would any born-again believer support this sinful use of “freedom”? Jesus Christ said:

 

[Ken Rank]

Je Suis Charlie? Non! – The Christian Response to The Paris Terror Attacks

Sam, people define words differently... culture, time, events... many things can alter how a word is defined. 50 years ago if I said I was "gay" that meant I was happy... but now look at what it means. Biblically, the underlying Greek and Hebrew words translated as "blasphemy" deal "mainly with" speaking evil things. Now, can a piece of art work be "speech?" I would think so... but just because somebody uses that word doesn't mean it is.

 

[Sammy-San]

Sam, people define words differently... culture, time, events... many things can alter how a word is defined. 50 years ago if I said I was "gay" that meant I was happy... but now look at what it means. Biblically, the underlying Greek and Hebrew words translated as "blasphemy" deal "mainly with" speaking evil things. Now, can a piece of art work be "speech?" I would think so... but just because somebody uses that word doesn't mean it is.

Would you agree what they did was terribly improper, beyond rude?

So you don't agree the sexual drawings were beyond blasphemy?

 

[Sammy-San]

Whether I agree or not... the word blasphemy means "to speak evil against." The idea of "evil" is an intent of the heart... so if one makes a joke, even in poor taste, but the intent was not evil it might be stupid, maybe even a sin... but not blasphemy. The idea of blasphemy carries the idea of a heart intent to speak evil against another.

So the Pope saying Holy Father isn't blasphemy?

 

[Sammy-San]

Sure.... but the idea of "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" then you are talking about "the act of depriving something of its sacred character." If we attribute the work that God does to another, we are taking from His character which means, in Hebrew... we are taking from His name.

If you and read the account where Yeshua says what he does... they are saying that the works he did (which was the work of God through him) was the Devil. He then made the comment about blaspheming the Spirit. I am simply tying them together here.

http://beginningandend.com/kanye-we...-jesus-christ-pays-tribute-to-the-antichrist/

Webster’s 1828 Dictionary, which was based on the English of the King James Bible defines blasphemy as: “An indignity offered to God by words or writing; reproachful, contemptuous or irreverent words uttered impiously against Jehovah.” Insulting the name of God or Jesus Christ is not something taken lightly by The Lord.

 

[BobRyan]

When I read the Gospel of Matthew, I thought Jesus was casting demons out by Beelzebub because after that He told the Pharisees how Satan can't stand if he's divided against himself (Matthew 12:22-30).

Is that the unforgivable sin, thinking that Jesus used demons to do His work?

I didn't mean to think His works were demonic. I thought that He was effectively defeating Satan by making him divided against himself.

That is the unpardonable sin - to claim that the work of the Holy Spirit - is in fact the work of the devil - because it is the Holy Spirit that "convicts the World of sin and righteousness and judgment" John 16. Thus it is our only connection to the Gospel - being born again is done only by the Holy Spirit.

But in your case which is a case of simply misreading a text, that is not the same thing as rejecting the Holy Spirit.

 

[Ken Rank]

Kanye West’s “Yeezus”: New Album Mocks Jesus Christ – Pays Tribute To The Antichrist?

First of all, I have no time to be searching the internet to find all the people who take a stand against God. There are millions of them and I have no time nor desire to spend 1 second trying to track them down. Instead, we should spend our time helping others who WANT TO LEARN ABOUT CHRIST how to develop a relationship with him.

Regarding this link you shared... yes it is blasphemy... but is West doesn't know God, never has known God... then while still a sin it is a sin of ignorance. There is a difference between sinning when you have no comprehension of righteousness and rebelling which means you KNOW what God wants and you do something else instead. Would this be blasphemy that can't be forgiven? I would guess that if West has never understood the righteousness of God that it can be forgiven if he comes to a state of repentance. But if West once walked with God and understood righteousness and then took a position against Him... then perhaps not. I am not his judge... I would rather spend my time on those who want to hear.