I thought that Jesus was really using Beelzebub to cast out demons!

[Fish14]

When I read the Gospel of Matthew, I thought Jesus was casting demons out by Beelzebub because after that He told the Pharisees how Satan can't stand if he's divided against himself (Matthew 12:22-30).

Is that the unforgivable sin, thinking that Jesus used demons to do His work?

I didn't mean to think His works were demonic. I thought that He was effectively defeating Satan by making him divided against himself.

 

[SeventyOne]

No, just repent of it, be forgiven, and be done with it.

 

[jerrygab2]

Is that the unforgivable sin, thinking that Jesus used demons to do His work?

No, but not smart though. What Christ was saying is that Satan was not doing it because he would not divide his (Satan) own house. In other words it was all of God not Satan

 

[Ken Rank]

When I read the Gospel of Matthew, I thought Jesus was casting demons out by Beelzebub because after that He told the Pharisees how Satan can't stand if he's divided against himself (Matthew 12:22-30).

Is that the unforgivable sin, thinking that Jesus used demons to do His work?

I didn't mean to think His works were demonic. I thought that He was effectively defeating Satan by making him divided against himself.

The unpardonable sin is attributing the works of God to the Adversary. You drew a poor conclusion, realized it and corrected. That isn't the same as watching something supernatural, know it was from God, and then attribute to another.

 

[Sammy-San]

The unpardonable sin is attributing the works of God to the Adversary. You drew a poor conclusion, realized it and corrected. That isn't the same as watching something supernatural, know it was from God, and then attribute to another.

Aren't there other forms of blasphemy?

 

[Ken Rank]

Aren't there other forms of blasphemy?

Sure.... but the idea of "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" then you are talking about "the act of depriving something of its sacred character." If we attribute the work that God does to another, we are taking from His character which means, in Hebrew... we are taking from His name.

If you and read the account where Yeshua says what he does... they are saying that the works he did (which was the work of God through him) was the Devil. He then made the comment about blaspheming the Spirit. I am simply tying them together here.

 

[Sammy-San]

Sure.... but the idea of "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" then you are talking about "the act of depriving something of its sacred character." If we attribute the work that God does to another, we are taking from His character which means, in Hebrew... we are taking from His name.

If you and read the account where Yeshua says what he does... they are saying that the works he did (which was the work of God through him) was the Devil. He then made the comment about blaspheming the Spirit. I am simply tying them together here.

So blasphemy means improperly referring to God?

I've heard a person say, "who the hell is the Holy Ghost"-is that unforgiveable?

 

[Ken Rank]

So blasphemy means improperly referring to God?

I've heard a person say, "who the hell is the Holy Ghost"-is that unforgiveable?

Blasphemy means disrespect, speaking profanely, being irreverent. So when that is directed against the Holy Spirit you're on thin ice. As for your question... neither one of us like that language but if that person is just asking a question... yes, it is forgivable. If they KNOW God and then ask it in contempt with the purpose of degrading God... then again... they're on thin ice.

 

[Sammy-San]

Blasphemy means disrespect, speaking profanely, being irreverent. So when that is directed against the Holy Spirit you're on thin ice. As for your question... neither one of us like that language but if that person is just asking a question... yes, it is forgivable. If they KNOW God and then ask it in contempt with the purpose of degrading God... then again... they're on thin ice.

Thin ice in this context? The verse isn't a gray area.

 

[Ken Rank]

Thin ice in this context? The verse isn't a gray area.

"Thin ice" is an expression I decided to use because I am not the one who will judge them, God is. But if it will make you feel better... if you speak against the character of God and attribute His works to the Adversary... I don't think that is forgivable based on Yeshua's words.

 

[Sammy-San]

Blasphemy means disrespect, speaking profanely, being irreverent. So when that is directed against the Holy Spirit you're on thin ice. As for your question... neither one of us like that language but if that person is just asking a question... yes, it is forgivable. If they KNOW God and then ask it in contempt with the purpose of degrading God... then again... they're on thin ice.

I was thinking about my OCD isn't real, and then I had a thought, "The Holy Spirit didn't do this". Is that blasphemy?

It's literally implying that if the OCD is real, I would be speaking bad of God, and I would never say that out loud. Is this just over-analyzing a thought?

I even had thoughts that I should have prayed to just God. Is that blasphemy?

 

[Ken Rank]

I was thinking about my OCD isn't real, and then I had a thought, "The Holy Spirit didn't do this". Is that blasphemy?

It's literally implying that if the OCD is real, I would be speaking bad of God, and I would never say that out loud. Is this just over-analyzing a thought?

I even had thoughts that I should have prayed to just God. Is that blasphemy?

Thoughts are not blasphemy, speaking our in slander is. Listen, your OCD might be real... but perhaps the reason why you have it isn't understood by you right now? Perhaps you are dealing with this but the truth is, God is dealing with you internally? I don't know... maybe it is just the result of the fact that we are still in a fallen state. Doesn't matter.... thinking something isn't blasphemy and I don't believe we can accidentally blaspheme God. I think this is KNOWING God's be behind something but them knowingly attributing that work to another.

 

[Sammy-San]

Thoughts are not blasphemy, speaking our in slander is. Listen, your OCD might be real... but perhaps the reason why you have it isn't understood by you right now? Perhaps you are dealing with this but the truth is, God is dealing with you internally? I don't know... maybe it is just the result of the fact that we are still in a fallen state. Doesn't matter.... thinking something isn't blasphemy and I don't believe we can accidentally blaspheme God. I think this is KNOWING God's be behind something but them knowingly attributing that work to another.

When I thought about sin, I prayed to the Holy Spirit to have a love for sinners-and then I thought, "who go against you", "like I did with my previous sins"?

 

[Adstar]

When I read the Gospel of Matthew, I thought Jesus was casting demons out by Beelzebub because after that He told the Pharisees how Satan can't stand if he's divided against himself (Matthew 12:22-30).

Is that the unforgivable sin, thinking that Jesus used demons to do His work?

I didn't mean to think His works were demonic. I thought that He was effectively defeating Satan by making him divided against himself.

Declaring that The Holy Spirit is a demon is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit..

 

[Honoluluwindow]

When I read the Gospel of Matthew, I thought Jesus was casting demons out by Beelzebub because after that He told the Pharisees how Satan can't stand if he's divided against himself (Matthew 12:22-30).

Is that the unforgivable sin, thinking that Jesus used demons to do His work?

I didn't mean to think His works were demonic. I thought that He was effectively defeating Satan by making him divided against himself.

Exactly what is the unpardonable sin within the context where it is found? It is not an individual sin but it is a national sin; it was committed by the Jewish generation of Jesus' day and cannot be applied to subsequent Jewish generations. The content of the unpardonable sin was: the national rejection by Israel of the Messiahship of Yeshua-while He was present-on the grounds of being demon possessed. Individuals of that day could, and did, escape that judgment, as was true with the Apostle Paul. Nor is it a sin that anyone can commit today. On this point, the Bible is very clear. Regardless of what sin anyone commits today, every sin isforgivable for that individual who will come to God through Jesus the Messiah. Thenature of the sin is irrelevant. Every sin is forgivable for that individual who will come to God through Jesus the Messiah. But for the nation as a whole, for that particular generation, this unique sin wasunpardonable.

 

[Ken Rank]

Exactly what is the unpardonable sin within the context where it is found? It is not an individual sin but it is a national sin; it was committed by the Jewish generation of Jesus' day and cannot be applied to subsequent Jewish generations. The content of the unpardonable sin was: the national rejection by Israel of the Messiahship of Yeshua-while He was present-on the grounds of being demon possessed. Individuals of that day could, and did, escape that judgment, as was true with the Apostle Paul. Nor is it a sin that anyone can commit today. On this point, the Bible is very clear. Regardless of what sin anyone commits today, every sin isforgivable for that individual who will come to God through Jesus the Messiah. Thenature of the sin is irrelevant. Every sin is forgivable for that individual who will come to God through Jesus the Messiah. But for the nation as a whole, for that particular generation, this unique sin wasunpardonable.

Respectfully, I disagree. The national sin of Israel, while grievous, is something God said He would forgive. Deuteronomy 30:1-6, all of Hosea 1 and other places show a cutting off but then an allowing back into the fold. This isn't written once (I just shared 2 witnesses), it is repeated many times in much of the Prophets. The unpardonable sin is mentioned after Yeshua does a miracle and those who watch it attribute the work not to God who did the work, but to Beelzebub.

 

[Sammy-San]

Blasphemy means disrespect, speaking profanely, being irreverent. So when that is directed against the Holy Spirit you're on thin ice. As for your question... neither one of us like that language but if that person is just asking a question... yes, it is forgivable. If they KNOW God and then ask it in contempt with the purpose of degrading God... then again... they're on thin ice.

What does blasphemy mean besides cursing and sexual?

 

[Ken Rank]

What does blasphemy mean besides cursing and sexual?

I didn't say it means "sexual" and if you mean "cussing" (swear words) when you say "cursing," then I didn't say that, either. Blasphemy is defined as "speaking evil against." When through speech you detract from God's character, you are blaspheming. Such is the case when the Pharisees present said that Yeshua's works were of the devil rather than from God. Since they said God's works were of the devil, then they were speaking evil against God by attributing His works to another.

 

[Sammy-San]

I didn't say it means "sexual" and if you mean "cussing" (swear words) when you say "cursing," then I didn't say that, either. Blasphemy is defined as "speaking evil against." When through speech you detract from God's character, you are blaspheming. Such is the case when the Pharisees present said that Yeshua's works were of the devil rather than from God. Since they said God's works were of the devil, then they were speaking evil against God by attributing His works to another.

I don't think a person is being reverent making jokes about spiritual things like they do on TV.

 

[Ken Rank]

I don't think a person is being reverent making jokes about spiritual things like they do on TV.

Whether I agree or not... the word blasphemy means "to speak evil against." The idea of "evil" is an intent of the heart... so if one makes a joke, even in poor taste, but the intent was not evil it might be stupid, maybe even a sin... but not blasphemy. The idea of blasphemy carries the idea of a heart intent to speak evil against another.