Is God a liar?

[SolomonVII]

I agree. That was my point.

Yes, that is what I thought too. Your post was a worthwhile one to expand upon.

 

[BobRyan]

False, since the Holy Spirit was there and told us the details in the Bible. Don't you believe Him?

The Holy Spirit has told us a great many things
1. 7 day creation week.
2. World wide flood.
3. Incarnation of Christ
4. Bodily resurrection of Christ
5. Bodily ascension of Christ into heaven
6. Second coming of Christ that is future - and seen in Rev 19

None of which we can "reproduce in the lab".

All of which is true - for those that trust the Bible.

 

[Aman777]

Non sequitur alert.

The issue has nothing to do with free will. Blind faith means to believe something despite complete lack of evidence. That is not true for evolution. The evidence supports it.

False, since evolution is nothing but descent with modification within His (Jesus) kinds and Their (Trinity) kinds. Godless men "dreamed up" the False ToE and forgot about the Flood which totally destroyed Adam's Earth. ll Peter 3:3-7

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Anyone who knows anything about science is there are contradictions in almost every single theory.. . .

Uh . . . no.

 

[EdyChristian28]

Absolutely not.

The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

The creation may speak of the Creator but it surely doesn't speak for God. That's what the pagans thought.

The heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament shows His handiwork.

 

[SolomonVII]

The heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament shows His handiwork.

Do the heavens declare that literally, or would that be an example of Biblical poetic license?

 

[Humble Servant of Christ]

I would argue that the Bible is inspired text and as such is the "fingerprints of God" leading us to the Exodus 20:11 and Genesis 1:-2:4 conclusion of a literal 7 day creation week for all of life on planet Earth.

We disagree. I don't think God "makes the universe look old" to test or trick us. Everyone uses context in interpreting the bible. In Genesis 1 erets is interpreted as the world but in Genesis 4 it is interpreted as land (unless you believe that Cain was banished from the world). Why does interpreting one word in Genesis one to mean time period (which is a valid interpretation) in light of the science (that God created) and our intelligence (that God created) cause such consternation? Isn't God just as powerful if he created all of time, space and matter in the big bang?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Do the heavens declare that literally, or would that be an example of Biblical poetic license?

You can trust the Word of God written in the stars, the rocks, and the genomes.

 

[Humble Servant of Christ]

Proteins don't form DNA. Rather DNA presents a "code" that when paired up with an amino acid fragment can then be used by Ribosomes to create DNA-directed sequences of amino acid chains which are then "shaped" into specific proteins having the right sequence of amino acids and the right shape.

All the amino acids must have a left handed chiral orientation to be "useful" in an amino acid chain for a protein in living cells. This is a problem as the Urey / Miller experiment demonstrates because the "Chemistry" for forming amino acids favors racimized mix of left and right handed amino acids. Which is "failure" for even one amino acid chain becoming a protein.

I see you have an understanding of science and the laws of nature. It is too bad you don't see they are God's creation as well.

 

[SolomonVII]

You can trust the Word of God written in the stars, the rocks, and the genomes.

Sure, but that is not what I asked.
No matter though.

 

[BobRyan]

I see you have an understanding of science and the laws of nature. It is too bad you don't see they are God's creation as well.

Not true -- I always claim that nature is God's creation and science is our limited understanding of it

 

[JacksBratt]

My question is this: can waves/photons exist without a source?

Yes, of course He can. He is not confined to our physics. He can easily have light without the physical source you speak of.

 

[Meowzltov]

Yes, of course He can. He is not confined to our physics. He can easily have light without the physical source you speak of.

OMGosh. If you understood what waves/photons were, you wouldn't say that.

 

[Meowzltov]

Don't you understand that the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, authored the Bible? This means that His Truth is the Truth in every way, including literally. What is a "Christophany" thing?

A Cristophany is an appearance of Christ before he is incarnated. I don't buy it.

What I understand is that the Sacred Scriptures have been INSPIRED by the Holy Spirit. In the case of the giving of the Law at Mt Sinai, Moses actually HEARD God, and took dictation. But that is the ONLY case where God is literally responsible word for word for large sections of the Bible. The prophets got it less directly, in symbols, via visions and dreams (Numbers 12:6). The rest of the authors are simply inspired by the Holy Spirit in the way the word inspiration is normally used.

That means that although the Psalms are the Word of God, David wasn't taking dictation from God. The artistry, the word choices, the metaphors used... all David's. The message burning in David's heart? That was the holy spirit.

 

[Meowzltov]

False, since the Holy Spirit was there and told us the details in the Bible. Don't you believe Him?

You think the purpose of Genesis 1 is to give us the details of Creation????? I don't think that's the purpose of Genesis 1 at all. I think the PURPOSE of Genesis 1 is simply to present God as the Creator, and to simply say that creation did occur (as opposed to the idea that the universe always existed), and that creation is orderly. IOW grasp the concepts, not the details. That is what you do with myths.

As far as the details of Creation, God left plenty of evidence, and gave us brains to figure it all out.

 

[Meowzltov]

False, since evolution is nothing but descent with modification within His (Jesus) kinds and Their (Trinity) kinds. Godless men "dreamed up" the False ToE and forgot about the Flood which totally destroyed Adam's Earth. ll Peter 3:3-7

You are ALL OVER THE PLACE with your response, so I'm not about to try answering.

My reply was that accepting evolution is not blind faith since evolution is supported by the facts. If you want a response from me, reply to that and that alone. Not the Trinity. Not the flood...

 

[Meowzltov]

Having not had any inspired visions or dreams I would not know. Do you presume to speak from your own inspired experience in providing that level of detail or is this just your guess presented for our consideration?

I do dream dreams and see visions which have been of considerable worth to, but I mostly keep them to myself (I only share them if I feel led to), as I don't claim to be the next book of the bible. I'm not writing the Epistle of Open Heart to CF. My opinions on this thread are not coming from a dream or vision. They are coming from common sense, the teachings of Christian scholars, my experience in Jungian Psychology (myth and archetypology) and my expertise in Literature.

 

[Meowzltov]

Joseph's dreams.
The Pharaoh's dream that Joseph interpreted.
Nebuchadnezzar's dream that Daniel interpreted.
Daniel's dream that an angel interpreted.
Paul's dream that his evangelism was to be in Europe rather than the Middle East.

These are just a few verses, like I said there would be.

John's revelation...a whole book of the NT there.

This is a vision, not a dream. Revelation 9:17

You can't make an argument from scripture that God would not have revealed creation to a man in a dream.

I don't need to make the argument from scripture. We have a gazillion examples of creation myths that are not generated by dreams. Just as we know David did not receive his songs in a dream because we know that the norm is people don't compose songs in dreams. (Sometimes I do, but when I wake up I realize they are beyond horrible, LOL.)

 

[Meowzltov]

Your argument is that men simply made up Genesis out of their own imaginations, like Star Trek.

Yes. Which is a good thing, not a bad thing. Jesus made up the parables out of his imagination. There were no ten virgins, no rich man and Lazarus, no prodigal son, no good Samaritan in the historical sense. But the CONCEPTS he taught were eternally true. Same with Genesis.