Is God a liar?

[Meowzltov]

Star Trek is nothing anyone claims to have actually experienced.

It happens every day that an eye witness is perfectly honest and yet inaccurate.

Star Trek is a morality play. Change the setting ( galaxy far far away) and the issues are those we deal with every day.

There are no witnesses to the creation of the world.

 

[BobRyan]

You can't call it "blind faith" since the evidence supports it.

You have free will and can embrace the mythology that "an amoeba will sure enough turn into a rabbit over time given a sufficiently talented amoeba and a sufficiently long length of time full of just-so-stories told all the way up to the top of mount improbable. Stories easy enough to tell but they are not science".

I also have free will - and can freely admit that just blind-faith junk-science is a religion that as Darwin himself admits - is not at all compatible with the Bible.

Each has free will.

 

[BobRyan]

Virtually no revelations in Scriptures are given in dreams except a few verses.

until you read the actual Bible where we see as God states in Numbers 12 - that dreams and visions are exactly how he communicates with the Bible writers. The prophets.

 

[BobRyan]

Can photons/waves exist independently without a source?

True but there are more sources of light than nuclear fusion on the sun.

 

[Meowzltov]

God is God. He created "waves and photons" He needs no planetary body..... He is light.

Revelation 21:23King James Version (KJV)

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

When we say that God is light, it is a metaphor.

God created the Natural laws that gave birth to waves and photons.

My question is this: can waves/photons exist without a source?

 

[Meowzltov]

You have free will and can embrace the mythology that "an amoeba will sure enough turn into a rabbit over time given a sufficiently talented amoeba and a sufficiently long length of time full of just-so-stories told all the way up to the top of mount improbable. Stories easy enough to tell but they are not science".

I also have free will - and can freely admit that just blind-faith junk-science is a religion that as Darwin himself admits - is not at all compatible with the Bible.

Each has free will.

Non sequitur alert.

The issue has nothing to do with free will. Blind faith means to believe something despite complete lack of evidence. That is not true for evolution. The evidence supports it.

 

[Meowzltov]

until you read the actual Bible where we see as God states in Numbers 12 - that dreams and visions are exactly how he communicates with the Bible writers. The prophets.

The prophets are a minority of the Bible, and it says VISIONS AND dreams. When you read the prophets, you find out its very rarely dreams and most often visions. For example, Revelation is a vision. A vision is something you see extremely vividly in your imagination--it's almost real. In a vision, you don't just see, you also smell, hear, and feel touch. Prophets were also inspired by the "still small voice" of God.

 

[Humble Servant of Christ]

Non sequitur alert.

The issue has nothing to do with free will. Blind faith means to believe something despite complete lack of evidence. That is not true for evolution. The evidence supports it.

You can believe in the big bang as created by God and the natural creation of the universe over billions of years as supported by Genesis and not believe macro evolution. There is actually no scientific evidence for macro evolution or that proteins can form DNA without intelligence intervention. In fact, we have never seen proteins formed randomly in nature .... ever! One can believe in an old universe and earth but not buy the "theory" of evolution. Please point out the scientific evidence for creation of living matter out of non living matter with no outside interference. There is also no evidence that insects can become mammals and that a whale is related to a tree. There is nothing similar in any of their living systems. Let us remember drawings in a book are not science. Intelligent design over millions of years is more supported by physical evidence.

 

[SolomonVII]

Prager University: Four “new” arguments for the existence of God

How well does evolutionary theory explain the anthropological big bang?
Or was Prager just lying, as this article claims he was?

The arguments against Prager in the blog doesn't really get into explaining the Cambrian explosion. Science itself agrees that the reasons for this remain elusive
What sparked the Cambrian explosion?

 

[Humble Servant of Christ]

Prager University: Four “new” arguments for the existence of God

How well does evolutionary theory explain the anthropological big bang?
Or was Prager just lying, as this article claims he was?

The arguments against Prager in the blog doesn't really get into explaining the Cambrian explosion. Science itself agrees that the reasons for this remain elusive
What sparked the Cambrian explosion?

The cambrian explosion was God's creation. Evolution is based on gradual mutations over millions of years. The cambrian fossils show a rapid appearance of complex lifeforms with complex systems like skeletal systems and eyes. I would argue that these fossils are the fingerprints of God leading us to his creative power. Just like the big bang is God's fingerprints leading us to Him...he is the uncaused cause and the intelligence in intelligent design.

 

[RDKirk]

Virtually no revelations in Scriptures are given in dreams except a few verses.

Joseph's dreams.
The Pharaoh's dream that Joseph interpreted.
Nebuchadnezzar's dream that Daniel interpreted.
Daniel's dream that an angel interpreted.
Paul's dream that his evangelism was to be in Europe rather than the Middle East.
John's revelation...a whole book of the NT there.

You can't make an argument from scripture that God would not have revealed creation to a man in a dream.

 

[RDKirk]

The prophets are a minority of the Bible, and it says VISIONS AND dreams. When you read the prophets, you find out its very rarely dreams and most often visions. For example, Revelation is a vision. A vision is something you see extremely vividly in your imagination--it's almost real. In a vision, you don't just see, you also smell, hear, and feel touch. Prophets were also inspired by the "still small voice" of God.

Ah, so that's the distinction you're trying to make.

Okay, God revealed creation to a man in a vision. There.

My argument is that God revealed to a man the natural creation and Genesis is the human interpretation we got of that revelation.

Your argument is that men simply made up Genesis out of their own imaginations, like Star Trek.

 

[SolomonVII]

The cambrian explosion was God's creation. Evolution is based on gradual mutations over millions of years. The cambrian fossils show a rapid appearance of complex lifeforms with complex systems like skeletal systems and eyes. I would argue that these fossils are the fingerprints of God leading us to his creative power. Just like the big bang is God's fingerprints leading us to Him...he is the uncaused cause and the intelligence in intelligent design.

I think that the argument presented at Prager University was the idea that at one point there was nothing, and then there was profusion. This "big bang" phenomena does not just happen once at the beginning, when time, matter, space and the physical universe in general veritably explodes into existence, but is a pattern that repeats itself, life from no life, profusion of life forms in a relatively short period of time, like an explosion, the explosion of intelligence even.

I don't see the form of the argument as an either/or scenario when it comes to evolution, or God, but that evolution itself is much too simplistic to explain the reality that science itself reveals to us.

Rejection of polytheism is the rejection of the anthropomorphism of forces of nature. Nature itself is seen as impersonal, unfeeling, unintelligent, just like evolution is defined to be.
But the bigger point is that such gradualism does not begin to describe a fine-tuned universes where things literally explode themselves into existence.

Evolution does not appear to be all that there is.

 

[Humble Servant of Christ]

I think that the argument presented at Prager University was the idea that at one point there was nothing, and then there was profusion. This "big bang" phenomena does not just happen once at the beginning, when time, matter, space and the physical universe in general veritably explodes into existence, but is a pattern that repeats itself, life from no life, profusion of life forms in a relatively short period of time, like an explosion, the explosion of intelligence even.

I don't see the form of the argument as an either/or scenario when it comes to evolution, or God, but that evolution itself is much too simplistic to explain the reality that science itself reveals to us.

Rejection of polytheism is the rejection of the anthropomorphism of forces of nature. Nature itself is seen as impersonal, unfeeling, unintelligent, just like evolution is defined to be.
But the bigger point is that such gradualism does not begin to describe a fine-tuned universes where things literally explode themselves into existence.

Evolution does not appear to be all that there is.

I agree. That was my point.

 

[BobRyan]

The prophets are a minority of the Bible, and it says VISIONS AND dreams. When you read the prophets, you find out its very rarely dreams and most often visions. For example, Revelation is a vision.

God says He communicates both ways in Numbers 12. So I am good with however He chooses to do it.

A vision is something you see extremely vividly in your imagination--it's almost real. In a vision, you don't just see, you also smell, hear, and feel touch. Prophets were also inspired by the "still small voice" of God.

Having not had any inspired visions or dreams I would not know. Do you presume to speak from your own inspired experience in providing that level of detail or is this just your guess presented for our consideration?

 

[BobRyan]

The cambrian explosion was God's creation. Evolution is based on gradual mutations over millions of years. The cambrian fossils show a rapid appearance of complex lifeforms with complex systems like skeletal systems and eyes. I would argue that these fossils are the fingerprints of God leading us to his creative power. Just like the big bang is God's fingerprints leading us to Him...he is the uncaused cause and the intelligence in intelligent design.

I would argue that the Bible is inspired text and as such is the "fingerprints of God" leading us to the Exodus 20:11 and Genesis 1:-2:4 conclusion of a literal 7 day creation week for all of life on planet Earth.

 

[BobRyan]

You can believe in the big bang as created by God and the natural creation of the universe over billions of years as supported by Genesis and not believe macro evolution. There is actually no scientific evidence for macro evolution or that proteins can form DNA without intelligence intervention. .

Proteins don't form DNA. Rather DNA presents a "code" that when paired up with an amino acid fragment can then be used by Ribosomes to create DNA-directed sequences of amino acid chains which are then "shaped" into specific proteins having the right sequence of amino acids and the right shape.

All the amino acids must have a left handed chiral orientation to be "useful" in an amino acid chain for a protein in living cells. This is a problem as the Urey / Miller experiment demonstrates because the "Chemistry" for forming amino acids favors racimized mix of left and right handed amino acids. Which is "failure" for even one amino acid chain becoming a protein.

 

[Aman777]

This is a metaphor. Sheesh. Revelations is a VISION. Don't you understant that visions aren't literal?

I don't personally buy the "Christophany" thing.

Don't you understand that the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, authored the Bible? This means that His Truth is the Truth in every way, including literally. What is a "Christophany" thing?

 

[Aman777]

Star Trek is a morality play. Change the setting ( galaxy far far away) and the issues are those we deal with every day.

There are no witnesses to the creation of the world.

False, since the Holy Spirit was there and told us the details in the Bible. Don't you believe Him?

 

[BobRyan]

Don't you understand that the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, authored the Bible? This means that His Truth is the Truth in every way, including literally.

Amen!