Why is it wrong to change your views?

[section9+1]

The best thing science and liberals can say is: "Here and now, to the best of my understanding, this is how it is. And all of this is subject to being discarded as soon as more convincing evidence to the contrary becomes available."

 

[The Brown Brink]

It is only your misperception that the two have 'changed sides'. Democrats still will do anything and everything to get the vote. Look at LBJ. Look at the democrats of today, going back to the days of the KKK, practically. But to answer your question, I know lots of Republicans who believe in conserving the earth.

Republicans, however, might even cheat to get the vote.
I'm remembering the snagged "chads" in Jeb Bush's Florida when his brother won...

 

[The Brown Brink]

In order to change your views to fit new information, a you have to LEARN new information.

Conservatives don't like to learn.
They are intellectually lazy.
They pretend new information is wrong, so they don't have to learn it.
And they don't want anyone else to learn new information either.
They want everybody to be ignorant.
That way, everything can stay the same.

Lazy.
Lazy.
Lazy.

 

[lazurm]

I was baptized Catholic last Easter, 2017. I've always been pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, progressive, etc. This subject hits upon a topic I'm currently wrestling with. After reading the catechism I now understand the viewpoint of the Catholic Church in these, and other similar, matters. Should I simply, now that I understand the issue from the CC's perspective, change my own views so that I obey the CC or, if I still feel otherwise to one level or another, hold fast? As a Catholic I feel that it's my duty to obey the teachings of the Church but it's hard to change beliefs that are in line with my progressive orientation. What is the right thing to do?

Ok, I decided to make a thread about this because I've seen this multiple times on CF now where people are criticizing science, liberals, etc. because they change their views, beliefs, opinions, whatever you want to call when they are presented with new information. To me, I don't understand why that it is a criticism at all. I was raised my parents, teachers, pastors, and everyone to question things, and when you are presented with new information that conflicts with what you current know, study and figure out which is right, never automatically dismiss anything as being wrong. In other words, when presented with hard, proven evidence or a good enough argument, the appropriate response is to change your views. I have changed my views multiple times on many issues, and would change mine.

Why is that such a bad thing? I was a bit dumbfounded the first time I ever saw someone say on here "the problem with liberals is that they're always changing their views to fit new information" and I just "that's what you are supposed to do." Can someone explain this to me?

 

[dannheim]

Ok, I decided to make a thread about this because I've seen this multiple times on CF now where people are criticizing science, liberals, etc. because they change their views, beliefs, opinions, whatever you want to call when they are presented with new information. To me, I don't understand why that it is a criticism at all. I was raised my parents, teachers, pastors, and everyone to question things, and when you are presented with new information that conflicts with what you current know, study and figure out which is right, never automatically dismiss anything as being wrong. In other words, when presented with hard, proven evidence or a good enough argument, the appropriate response is to change your views. I have changed my views multiple times on many issues, and would change mine.

Why is that such a bad thing? I was a bit dumbfounded the first time I ever saw someone say on here "the problem with liberals is that they're always changing their views to fit new information" and I just "that's what you are supposed to do." Can someone explain this to me?

Fear not for our Lord was a liberal who changed many people's views.

PAUL was a conservative Jew who changed into a liberal Christian.

Need I go on?

 

[dannheim]

In order to change your views to fit new information, a you have to LEARN new information.

Conservatives don't like to learn.
They are intellectually lazy.
They pretend new information is wrong, so they don't have to learn it.
And they don't want anyone else to learn new information either.
They want everybody to be ignorant.
That way, everything can stay the same.

Lazy.
Lazy.
Lazy.

Shame on anyone who is using politics
to justify their Christian perspective and malign members of this wonderful site.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

The best thing science and liberals can say is: "Here and now, to the best of my understanding, this is how it is. And all of this is subject to being discarded as soon as more convincing evidence to the contrary becomes available."

Do you think that's a bad thing? Seems to me exactly how things should be, when new credible evidence is oresented, our understanding changes.
Think of a court case, as a juror, if early circumstantial testimony had you convinced that a defendant is likely guilty, but nwe DNA evidence shows the defendant was not the one who committed the crime, do you allow your understanding to change, or go with your first thought despite the new evidence?

 

[The Brown Brink]

Fear not for our Lord was a liberal who changed many people's views.

PAUL was a conservative Jew who changed into a liberal Christian.

Need I go on?

Excellent points!

 

[The Brown Brink]

I was baptized Catholic last Easter, 2017. I've always been pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, progressive, etc. This subject hits upon a topic I'm currently wrestling with. After reading the catechism I now understand the viewpoint of the Catholic Church in these, and other similar, matters. Should I simply, now that I understand the issue from the CC's perspective, change my own views so that I obey the CC or, if I still feel otherwise to one level or another, hold fast? As a Catholic I feel that it's my duty to obey the teachings of the Church but it's hard to change beliefs that are in line with my progressive orientation. What is the right thing to do?

I too was baptized Catholic.

I figure my conscience is God-given.
If I go against my own conscience to obey my church, I cannot blame my church...later...
I am responsible.

I say,
Don't go against your conscience.

If your church promotes behaviors that you do not wish to support...
Then you have a conflict of interest...

In these cases, I myself weigh the pros and the cons to determine what I believe can produce the best outcome for the most people.
Promoting "the best outcome for the most people" is one of the ways that I "love my neighbor."
Jesus said loving your neighbor is one of the two greatest commandments...greater than all the rest...

I figure I'll try to love my neighbor...the best way I can...like Jesus said.

It's a good yardstick.
Greater than all the rest...

 

[A New Dawn]

Fear not for our Lord was a liberal who changed many people's views.

PAUL was a conservative Jew who changed into a liberal Christian.

Need I go on?

I think you need to actually read the Bible before making statements like this. Jesus was a devout, conservative Jew. He was a rabbi. He followed the law (every jot and tittle of it). He celebrated all the feasts and the people who knew the prophecies concerning the Messiah KNEW, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it was him. You can't get any more conservative than that. Furthermore, He values the sanctity of life and knows that governments can't save you, only He can.

 

[mark kennedy]

Ok, I decided to make a thread about this because I've seen this multiple times on CF now where people are criticizing science, liberals, etc. because they change their views, beliefs, opinions, whatever you want to call when they are presented with new information. To me, I don't understand why that it is a criticism at all. I was raised my parents, teachers, pastors, and everyone to question things, and when you are presented with new information that conflicts with what you current know, study and figure out which is right, never automatically dismiss anything as being wrong. In other words, when presented with hard, proven evidence or a good enough argument, the appropriate response is to change your views. I have changed my views multiple times on many issues, and would change mine.

Why is that such a bad thing? I was a bit dumbfounded the first time I ever saw someone say on here "the problem with liberals is that they're always changing their views to fit new information" and I just "that's what you are supposed to do." Can someone explain this to me?

The Chair of the DNC says there is no room in the party for someone who is prolife. Spent a year in Bible college and I was sickened at the text criticism and incessant discussion of contradictions, this mythical Q document. Apparently most of our seminaries have abandoned the doctrine of creation and Progressive theology, like the progressive liberal political agendas are the prevailing view.

Nothing wrong with changing your mind, reconsidering what you think and where you stand on an issue. Even when it comes to essential doctrine and the clear testimony of Scripture I understand, sometimes people have to take time to decide. The problem is Liberalism is into everything and the one thing they have no patience for is an evangelical worldview and that's social, political, legal and increasingly theological.

 

[The Brown Brink]

I think you need to actually read the Bible before making statements like this. Jesus was a devout, conservative Jew. He was a rabbi. He followed the law (every jot and tittle of it). He celebrated all the feasts and the people who knew the prophecies concerning the Messiah KNEW, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it was him. You can't get any more conservative than that. Furthermore, He values the sanctity of life and knows that governments can't save you, only He can.

It's not funny when some people tell other people to read the Bible so as to better misunderstand it...

 

[A New Dawn]

Republicans, however, might even cheat to get the vote.
I'm remembering the snagged "chads" in Jeb Bush's Florida when his brother won...

I'm thinking you don't really want to go there, considering what the left has done recently with registering dead people to vote, registering people in multiple precincts, registering non-citizens to vote. Eh? Let's not forget that they prevented the military vote from being counted during that election, also, when Bush won the second term, and the military overwhelmingly votes Republican.

 

[A New Dawn]

It's not funny when some people tell other people to read the Bible so as to better misunderstand it...

Oh, you already misunderstand it just fine. I was hoping you'd read it to better understand it.

 

[The Brown Brink]

The Chair of the DNC says there is no room in the party for someone who is prolife. Spent a year in Bible college and I was sickened at the text criticism and incessant discussion of contradictions, this mythical Q document. Apparently most of our seminaries have abandoned the doctrine of creation and Progressive theology, like the progressive liberal political agendas are the prevailing view.

Nothing wrong with changing your mind, reconsidering what you think and where you stand on an issue. Even when it comes to essential doctrine and the clear testimony of Scripture I understand, sometimes people have to take time to decide. The problem is Liberalism is into everything and the one thing they have no patience for is an evangelical worldview and that's social, political, legal and increasingly theological.

Liberals believe in liberty and equality.
Don't you?

 

[The Brown Brink]

Oh, you already misunderstand it just fine. I was hoping you'd read it to better understand it.

Jesus started a NEW religion.
It's in the Bible...

 

[A New Dawn]

Jesus started a NEW religion.
It's in the Bible...

Jesus didn't start anything. He came to make salvation possible, and He did that by being a strictly observing Jew (remember from the Bible, He came to fulfil the law and he could only do that by observing it fully). And the church isn't an institution, it is the body of believers.

 

[dannheim]

I think you need to actually read the Bible before making statements like this. Jesus was a devout, conservative Jew. He was a rabbi. He followed the law (every jot and tittle of it). He celebrated all the feasts and the people who knew the prophecies concerning the Messiah KNEW, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it was him. You can't get any more conservative than that. Furthermore, He values the sanctity of life and knows that governments can't save you, only He can.

I read my bible everyday and I know his Jewish life. To say he was not liberal you clearly are the one who needs to read your bible. You are clearly confusing politics and religion.

 

[The Brown Brink]

Liberals believe in liberty and equality.
Don't you?

Didn't Jesus believe in liberty and equality?
Aren't we all free and equal, like Jesus said?

Jesus didn't start anything. He came to make salvation possible, and He did that by being a strictly observing Jew (remember from the Bible, He came to fulfil the law and he could only do that by observing it fully). And the church isn't an institution, it is the body of believers.

Strict Jew?
Tell that to the money table He overturned...

 

[The Brown Brink]

I'm thinking you don't really want to go there, considering what the left has done recently with registering dead people to vote, registering people in multiple precincts, registering non-citizens to vote. Eh? Let's not forget that they prevented the military vote from being counted during that election, also, when Bush won the second term, and the military overwhelmingly votes Republican.

And the world talked about our "retarded cowboy"...