What Does Atheism Profit Atheists?

[Allandavid]

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"...never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee."

 

[The Times]

Well I do the same...and it appears to me that he's confused about the whole thing and none of it happened.

I have a clear picture of where you have sourced your information from. It is not difficult to discern that the testimony of Professor Howard Storm is completely different to the writeup by Ellery D. Poole.

The source of this confusion is that Ellery D. Poole a fictional writer has taken supernatural events and has fictionalised them by adding his own spin on their stories.

You can find the fiction writer's book "The Mysterious Chronicles of the Unknown" in the following link below....

The Mysterious Chronicles of the Unexplained

Please also read the fiction writer's fantasised story about Professor Howard Storm amongst other fictionalised accounts in the link below......

The Mysterious Chronicles of the Unexplained

The author Ellery D. Poole has a background and interest in occult phenomena and practices which inspire his fiction anthology writings.

In his prologue he states that they are fiction anthology and so the content is questionable at best.

I am 0 years old.

 

[The Times]

"...never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee."

It certainly tolls for everyone living on planet earth.

For the Christians they get to go home to be with their Lord Jesus Christ.

For the rest of the world they get to say their final goodbyes.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I have a clear picture of where you have sourced your information from. It is not difficult to discern that the testimony of Professor Howard Storm is completely different to the writeup by Ellery D. Poole.

The source of this confusion is that Ellery D. Poole a fictional writer has taken supernatural events and has fictionalised them by adding his own spin on their stories.

You can find the fiction writer's book "The Mysterious Chronicles of the Unknown" in the following link below....

The Mysterious Chronicles of the Unexplained

Please also read the fiction writer's fantasised story about Professor Howard Storm amongst other fictionalised accounts in the link below......

The Mysterious Chronicles of the Unexplained

The author Ellery D. Poole has a background and interest in occult phenomena and practices which inspire his fiction anthology writings.

In his prologue he states that they are fiction anthology and so the content is questionable at best.

I am 0 years old.

Actually, I pulled it from an interview with him...but it doesn't really matter because he fully admits that he never actually died, or necessarily was near death. He simply passed out from pain.

 

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[Allandavid]

It certainly tolls for everyone living on planet earth.

For the Christians they get to go home to be with their Lord Jesus Christ.

For the rest of the world they get to say their final goodbyes.

We ALL get to say our final goodbyes...that was the point of that part of the poem...

Anything else is unsupported conjecture...

 

[The Times]

Actually, I pulled it from an interview with him...but it doesn't really matter because he fully admits that he never actually died, or necessarily was near death. He simply passed out from pain.

Kindly show us the link please.

Thankyou

 

[The Times]

We ALL get to say our final goodbyes...that was the point of that part of the poem...

Anything else is unsupported conjecture...

Not so for the Christian. For a Christian death is the beginning of a new life with Jesus Christ.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Kindly show us the link please.

Thankyou

Howard Storm (author) - Wikipedia

"Storm states he then came to in the hospital room, with a nurse walking in and saying that the surgeon is ready for him. Storm concedes that there is no medical evidence to suggest that he actually died. "

If you temporarily die...you're typically going to need to be resuscitated by someone. There aren't a whole lot of cases where someone just wakes up after being dead.

So this isn't so much of a near death experience as it is a dream while he was passed out.

 

[The Times]

Howard Storm (author) - Wikipedia

"Storm states he then came to in the hospital room, with a nurse walking in and saying that the surgeon is ready for him. Storm concedes that there is no medical evidence to suggest that he actually died. "

If you temporarily die...you're typically going to need to be resuscitated by someone. There aren't a whole lot of cases where someone just wakes up after being dead.

So this isn't so much of a near death experience as it is a dream while he was passed out.

It never crossed my mind that he was clinically dead, rather he had an out of body experience. It was neither a dream, as he clearly describes that he had absolutely no pain. At the moment he has an out of body experience, there was a loss of consciousness without anesthesia being administered. I know because I experienced loss of conscious and it doesn't prevent you from feeling pain.

You can not have a painless dream whilst your body is in excruciating pain.

I have had at 3 years of age an out of body experience and no I wasn't unconscious and I wasn't ill or in pain. After waking up, I could not follow the contours of my hands and all my body was pulsating in size, like it was getting bigger and then smaller, bigger then smaller and I could not establish a definite contour of the outlines of my hands and body. My sight was perfectly fine and no change was noticed, though to my parents everything appeared normal, I screamed in a fearful panic this is not my body, I'm not this body. The body felt foreign to me, like the sensation a person gets after having their leg in plaster for 2 months, where the leg doesn't feel part of the body. In my situation my whole body didn't feel like my body and my being was adjusting to it. To this very day I do not know how my consciousness was separated from my body in a way that took a long time to adjust to the body.

I know you will say that I may have had a transient stroke at the age of 3, which is highly unlikely, but even transient strokes are known to affect only certain parts of the body and not the whole body.

So, given that the professor wasn't dead and there was no anesthesia administered at the time to allow him to consciously dream. Even after the anesthesia was administered the experienced was not interrupted and continued seemlessly as though what was happening to the brain and the body had no effect on his consciousness and throughout his out of body experience.

I was an Engineer for 20 years and the methods and deductive reasoning is not different from a scientific deductive reasoning when using logical reasoning within the field of engineering. Haven't you established this fact already.

 

[Ana the Ist]

It never crossed my mind that he was clinically dead, rather he had an out of body experience. It was neither a dream, as he clearly describes that he had absolutely no pain. At the moment he has an out of body experience, there was a loss of consciousness without anesthesia being administered. I know because I experienced loss of conscious and it doesn't prevent you from feeling pain.

You can not have a painless dream whilst your body is in excruciating pain.

I'll just stop you here since you're 100% wrong...I've known people with some of the most severe pain of all, and the only break they get is while sleeping.

Sleep may be harder to come by while you're in pain...but the point is that you're now just making stuff up to defend what's ultimately a phony story.

 

[Belk]

You obviously haven't read all my posts and it would be an argument from a position of ignorance if you continue this claim. I kindly urge you to read my posts in their entirety and then we can dialogue through the continued respect I give all people, not only Christians.

I open my hands of charity to you and treat you as my equal and so I have no animosity towards you or other Athiests. I simply care about you even if that is not yet understood by you and it may seem strange to you at first.

Yeah sorry not buying it. You don't get to completely misrepresent my position, refuse any and all correction on my position, then claim to "treat me as an equal". Your actions do not match your words and your words betray your ignorance.

 

[The Times]

I'll just stop you here since you're 100% wrong...I've known people with some of the most severe pain of all, and the only break they get is while sleeping.

Sleep may be harder to come by while you're in pain...but the point is that you're now just making stuff up to defend what's ultimately a phony story.

I would like to firstly point out that you claimed that Professor Howard Storm said that he believed in some futurist 200 year utopia with humans having the ability to communicate through telekinesis and I proved it to be a false claim, pointing to a fictional writer who incorporated it into his fictional story.

Secondly, I will also prove that when the body is in pain, it may render a person unconscious, similar to the effects of anesthesia. The body can produce similar chemicals to simulate an anesthetic effect, but the person doesn't dream, nor can the person consciously realise an out of body experience, whilst looking down upon their body and be able to distinguish between the pain in the subject observed and the painless and heightened senses of the observer.

Simply put the person who sleeps or falls unconscious does not dream and recollect the pain in the subject, whilst being conscious of their painless state and hightened sense of awareness. You cannot have a stimuli and an anesthetic effect simultaneous in effect, any dream and conscious awareness of the pain state will bring in that pain state and this is where patients exhibit in and out of consciousness scenario, with screaming and pain yelling as a response to drifting in and out of consciousness. A Dream is not possible, neither can it be continuous without interruption, unless the observer is completely separated from the subject and their pain state. Since the subject nor the observer goes in and out of consciousness, it is as if the body is sustained in a suspended state of unconsciousness whilst the consciousness has drifted away from the biomechanical interface that is the juman flesh suit. This is what is known as an out of body experience and I have had it and therefore I am a witness of fact in that regard.

How exactly the consciousness of being is separated from the biomechanical human fleshly body is not known.

However throughout history and throughout different religions, it is believed that this consciousness is the living spirit or ID of a person. In scripture God said that he breathed into Adam and Adam becane a living spirit. The language implies a living consciousness. Today science can clone a body but they are unable to merge consciousness with it. Simply put the clone is an empty fleshly shell.

 

[The Times]

Yeah sorry not buying it. You don't get to completely misrepresent my position, refuse any and all correction on my position, then claim to "treat me as an equal". Your actions do not match your words and your words betray your ignorance.

So do you want to continue to talk with me or continue to complain about me?

 

[Belk]

So do you want to continue to talk with me or continue to complain about me?

Are you actually going to talk or simply continue to spout rhetoric?

 

[Larniavc]

The 7 deadly sins........

• luxuria / Lust.
• gula / Gluttony.
• avaritia / Greed.
• acedia / Sloth.
• ira / Wrath.
• invidia / Envy.
• superbia / Pride.

8Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9“All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

10Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’e ”

11Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him. (Matthew 4:8-11)

Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not put up with humans for such a long time, for they are only mortal flesh. In the future, their normal lifespan will be no more than 120 years." (Genesis 6:3)

Atheist professor’s near-death experience in hell left him changed | God Reports

Enjoy your spoils while you can in the short time you have. I'm sure you will sacrifice even more of the little time you have to make more for the IRS and then when your hour glass is all but empty, then the realisation will dawn upon on you.

A can of beans for a miserable life of slavery to the king of this world!

Are the seven deadly sins actually mentioned in the Bible?

 

[The Times]

Are you actually going to talk or simply continue to spout rhetoric?

I will talk with you, let's go!
What is your main argument that God doesn't exist and how can you discount a multitude of Christian witnesses of fact?

 

[The Times]

Are the seven deadly sins actually mentioned in the Bible?

Not directly, but I give ear to my Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ. I love them and they love me.

But how does Athiesm profit an Atheist in context of a fulfilled life, without qualifying it materially?

 

[Belk]

I will talk to you, let's go, what is your main argument that God doesn't exist

Perhaps you should answer since this seems to be your argument, not mine.

and how can you discount a multitude of Christian witnesses of fact?

First point. Adding "fact" to the end of your sentence does not make your argument stronger nor does it make opinions facts.

Perhaps we should start with what makes up a good question to atheists?

 

[The Times]

Perhaps you should answer since this seems to be your argument, not mine.


First point. Adding "fact" to the end of your sentence does not make your argument stronger nor does it make opinions facts.

Perhaps we should start with what makes up a good question to atheists?

I understand what you are pointing at.....but when a good question and a solution is provided to Athiests, that conforms to logic but conflicts with the primary discourses of Athiests, then what constitutes a good question coupled with a solution is rendered mute.