What Does Atheism Profit Atheists?

[Belk]

That is one method that I see Athiests use many times, that is they try to purge the witness of fact. Mind you this attempt is a miserable failure, because there isn't enough Athiests to purge billions of Christian witness of fact, throughout the last 2000 years and counting.

Ah. So you are not here to evangelize, only belittle. What a shame. Off you go then.

 

[The Times]

How does that answer my question ?

It depends from which vantage point you are looking from and what head space constructs you are making and the weights/merits you are applying to them, that is are you living solely by your carnal five senses that accounts for only 5% raw data and taking this raw data as 100% of your evidence, or are you living by 95% interpreting judgments resulting from a heterogeneous mathematical head space algorithm.

As scripture clearly reveals.....

5Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God. (Romans 8:5-8)

If it's madness to discredit the experience of millions why do you not also believe in all other gods ?

This question cannot be understood by you, neither can be be asked by you at this stage, because of the above explained. Your initial hurdle is to live and experience God and then across a life long experience, you become a retainer for the Spirit of God, who gives you the transcendent heterogeneous mathematical formulae of thought constructively processes that allow you to see beyond the limited scope of the fleshly carnal senses.

At the age of 3 I once told my parents that this body that I have is not me, that it is foreign to me and that my existence is not the body itself that I am in.

If you become too complacent and place too much emphasis on the biomechanical body suite you wear, you become not yourself, but a person enslaved and imprisoned within the limitations of that biomechanical interface. In this regard you become a captive and your mind is not free. Unless Jesus frees you from this captivity of this metaphysical state that your in, you will continue in slavery and bondage.

A video..really, I'm sure it has a very powerful testimony, but I'm sure with a bit of googling I could show a few the other way around. And could show you many who de-converted from Christianity, (and many other controlling organisations) realising it was false.

No, you simply don't understand friend. This Nigerian Muslim was in bondage and his prison guards were those invisible demons taunting him through lucid dreams. This person is approached by the Man in white and is asked if he wanted assistance.....ok I will stop here... I don't want to spoil it because I want you to watch it. Please do it, it will be tremendously beneficial to you and your loved ones.

Again, how do you know it's not all just a feeling? and if you don't know then how can you expect others to believe it ?

Good questions friend, very good

Feelings are a state of mind exhibited by an individual, which varies over time and duration, depending on the triggers and how often they are triggered.

Unless your claim is backed up by evidence that billions of independent Christian witnesses who knew not each other, across the globe and spanning the last 2000 years have either been taking some form of hallucinogenic or have an unknown phenomena of mass psychosis effecting peoples of all nations for the last 2000 years and counting, who claim to their unique personal experience with Jesus Christ, then your question is not even remotely possible, let alone probable.

You know that it is not a feeling because a feeling in regards to a person like Jesus who claimed to be the God of the Holy Bible, is identifiable amongst insurmountable independent witnesses across the globe and spanning the last 2000 years and counting. You cannot explain away this phenomena as simply a feeling, because it is identifiable across nations and creeds spanning the globe.

Sure people feel for one another and this could be replicated amongst a crowd, in any given time and duration provided with the right context of situation along with the triggers and duration of triggers, but to put one's life in jeopardy for feelings that are unidentifiable, spanning across generations is nearing absurdity, as far as mere feelings are concerned.

So you rule out feelings and historically you can also rule out ideology and so what is left....

A real and intangible experience that is verified and corroborated many times over across the globe and I mean many times over. This phenomena cannot be explained away like you have, it isn't even remotely possible.

Your second part question is already answered by default, because others across nations and creeds have come to believe in Jesus Christ and claim as witnesses their life long experience that is both real and intangible to their being.

Remember we are beings, we being is not the biomechanical body we have as an interface, we are transcendent beings who look to the stars because our being is not limited to the functions of our bodies, but are relationshiply qualified by our plight to reach up to the source of life who came and showed humanity the way to the realm beyond.

For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day." (John 6:40)

 

[The Times]

Ah. So you are not here to evangelize, only belittle. What a shame. Off you go then.

You obviously haven't read all my posts and it would be an argument from a position of ignorance if you continue this claim. I kindly urge you to read my posts in their entirety and then we can dialogue through the continued respect I give all people, not only Christians.

I open my hands of charity to you and treat you as my equal and so I have no animosity towards you or other Athiests. I simply care about you even if that is not yet understood by you and it may seem strange to you at first.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Yes role models.
No, I was schooled by the state.
I am sincerely trying to establish the Athiestic thought processes, through back and forth probing questions and responses.
I am fine, thanks.

alright...

Touch is a word that has both physical aspects and spiritual aspects. For example a person isn't going to donate to a person in need because they have been physically touched by that person, rather one will donate to the needy person because they are touched by their plight and their harrowing story of survival.

This spiritual touch is intangible more so than a physical tangible touch. A carnal person minds the things of the flesh, tangible stuff ok, however a spiritual person looks inwardly within their hearts towards intangible gifts to help others who have been intangibly touched by their harrowing stories of survival and overcoming of life's adversities.

Whether tangible or intangible they have a real aspect.



This is where many Christians have been touched by the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus christ.

Real and Intangible ok. Are you happy that I corrected my usage of terms. Why do I get the feeling you knew all along what I meant.

I didn't know what you meant...that's the whole point. You kept saying that your experiences were something you could physically touch...that doesn't make sense. I'm glad you finally understand what tangible means...but it's not very encouraging that it took you several posts to get there.

Tangible or intangible. In my usage of term intangible applies. Thanks for correcting me, I appreciate it.

Don't say I never did anything for you.

No, I am not, my nationality is 3500 BC and is no more. We are the first Semitic outcasts of the world, want to join us?

No...no I don't...partly because that's a really creepy invitation, partly because "3500 B.C." isn't a nationality, and never was.

No, I don't feel better. I care to ask you for your full testimony.

That is the full testimony. You asked me to say some words...I said them...and nothing happened. It's not the best testimony, the plot is rather short...but it's got great characters. I'm not sure what you were hoping would happen.

Do you know that a broken and contrite heart is what allows Jesus to come into our hearts.

Sure it does...but why do you think that is?

May I share with you a video. Please do watch it and let me know what you think, I would be interested.

Well here is the video.....enjoy

You realize this video is 45 mins long, right? Maybe you haven't been on this forum long...but I wouldn't be surprised if no one watches it. Just give me the short version of the story.

 

[possibletarian]

It depends from which vantage point you are looking from and what head space constructs you are making and the weights/merits you are applying to them, that is are you living solely by your carnal five senses that accounts for only 5% raw data and taking this raw data as 100% of your evidence, or are you living by 95% interpreting judgments resulting from a heterogeneous mathematical head space algorithm.

Oh dear dear me, no what I asked is 5% of what ?
How do you know it's 5% of Data, what method are you using to measure it, its just a meaningless statement ?

As scripture clearly reveals.....
5Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God. (Romans 8:5-8)

What is it revealing, other than a bloke wrote a little saying that had absolutely nothing to do with the question ?

This question cannot be understood by you, neither can be be asked by you at this stage, because of the above explained.

You mean because a bloke wrote something you believe a few thousand years ago ? Of course it can be asked by me, and was in fact it was asked by me

Your initial hurdle is to live and experience God and then across a life long experience, you become a retainer for the Spirit of God, who gives you the transcendent heterogeneous mathematical formulae of thought constructively processes that allow you to see beyond the limited scope of the fleshly carnal senses.

At the age of 3 I once told my parents that this body that I have is not me, that it is foreign to me and that my existence is not the body itself that I am in.

If you become too complacent and place too much emphasis on the biomechanical body suite you wear, you become not yourself, but a person enslaved and imprisoned within the limitations of that biomechanical interface. In this regard you become a captive and your mind is not free. Unless Jesus frees you from this captivity of this metaphysical state that your in, you will continue in slavery and bondage.

Utter goobleygook, though I have heard such things before when reading a book about how people are de-converted from cults and the like. Frankly you sound more new-age than anything.

No, you simply don't understand friend. This Nigerian Muslim was in bondage and his prison guards were those invisible demons taunting him through lucid dreams. This person is approached by the Man in white and is asked if he wanted assistance.....ok I will stop here... I don't want to spoil it because I want you to watch it. Please do it, it will be tremendously beneficial to you and your loved ones.

Oh I believe he had an experience, but have heard stories that other religions and philosophies have helped in this regard too, I simply believe he was mentally ill.

Good questions friend, very good

Feelings are a state of mind exhibited by an individual, which varies over time and duration, depending on the triggers and how often they are triggered.

Unless your claim is backed up by evidence that billions of independent Christian witnesses who knew not each other, across the globe and spanning the last 2000 years have either been taking some form of hallucinogenic or have an unknown phenomena of mass psychosis effecting peoples of all nations for the last 2000 years and counting, who claim to their unique personal experience with Jesus Christ, then your question is not even remotely possible, let alone probable.

You know that it is not a feeling because a feeling in regards to a person like Jesus who claimed to be the God of the Holy Bible, is identifiable amongst insurmountable independent witnesses across the globe and spanning the last 2000 years and counting. You cannot explain away this phenomena as simply a feeling, because it is identifiable across nations and creeds spanning the globe.

Sure people feel for one another and this could be replicated amongst a crowd, in any given time and duration provided with the right context of situation along with the triggers and duration of triggers, but to put one's life in jeopardy for feelings that are unidentifiable, spanning across generations is nearing absurdity, as far as mere feelings are concerned.

So you rule out feelings and historically you can also rule out ideology and so what is left....

A real and intangible experience that is verified and corroborated many times over across the globe and I mean many times over. This phenomena cannot be explained away like you have, it isn't even remotely possible.

Your second part question is already answered by default, because others across nations and creeds have come to believe in Jesus Christ and claim as witnesses their life long experience that is both real and intangible to their being.

Remember we are beings, we being is not the biomechanical body we have as an interface, we are transcendent beings who look to the stars because our being is not limited to the functions of our bodies, but are relationshiply qualified by our plight to reach up to the source of life who came and showed humanity the way to the realm beyond.

For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day." (John 6:40)

Again gobbledygook,
Why do you think the number of people matters when deciding truth, especially when it's an invisible unprovable truth ? If it's simply number who experience, why not all other religions ?

The thing is I don't have to explain away yours and others feelings, neither do I have to explain them, I'm just asking for verifiable tangible evidence. I believe you have a genuine belief in this stuff, but that just means you believe, not that it's real.

 

[The Times]

That is the full testimony. You asked me to say some words...I said them...and nothing happened. It's not the best testimony, the plot is rather short...but it's got great characters. I'm not sure what you were hoping would happen.

I ask you to kindly share please....

Why do you think pursuing Jesus never brought forth the good fruits of the Spirit?

How did you come to the conclusion that it never worked for you?

Why was it rather short?

Who do you believe were the great characters?

Why did you not persue it the same way you would persue a person you love?

Did you come as a broken and contrite heart when calling out to Jesus?

I am hoping that you find what many have foubd across the generations. It is not uncharitable for me to hope that for you, even though I don't know you.

Answer me please, why do I believe there is hope for you to find the God of the Holy Bible?

Sure it does...but why do you think that is?

It is through our tribulations that we leave our pride aside and come with no preconceived biases or expectations, other than a request for help. Calling out to Jesus is like the Vanila Sky movie which presents this life as having great characters but soon it turns out to be a nightmare and we call out help help help.

Do you believe when presented with this scenario that the Loving God will say, I don't like Mr Ana for he things only of himself Ana Ana and never looks down upon himself to how spiritually impoverished he truly is. So God says Mr Ana has not reached the brokeness that I desire to win his trust because he still thinks his self esteem can carry him across the line.

Why do you think the Israelites walked in the wilderness for 40 years and kept going in circles, where the journey should have taken them approximately 6 months?

God saw that they needed to be literally broken in order to admitt their guilt and dispose of their selffish pride.

You my friend are experiencing life like the Israelites, we all are. Some have arrived whilst others continue to go in circles.

You realize this video is 45 mins long, right? Maybe you haven't been on this forum long...but I wouldn't be surprised if no one watches it. Just give me the short version of the story.

Ths request I make of you to watch it, is to see the slow dismantling of human pride and you may find similarities in your life and determine which character best represents you. I urge and plead with you to watch it and those 45 minutes will prevent you from walking in circles in the wilderness of finding meaning and purpose and your relationship with the Father in heaven whom you looked up to in finding but never found. It is a touching movie based on a true testimony and I see it a gain for you.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I ask you to kindly share please....

Why do you think pursuing Jesus never brought forth the good fruits of the Spirit?

I don't believe in the "spirit". Does that answer your question?

How did you come to the conclusion that it never worked for you?

Because it doesn't, hasn't.

Why was it rather short?

How long is it supposed to take?

Who do you believe were the great characters?

Well I'm the only character involved....

Why did you not persue it the same way you would persue a person you love?

Because people I love are real.

Did you come as a broken and contrite heart when calling out to Jesus?

No, I'm not broken in whatever way you're referring to.

I am hoping that you find what many have foubd across the generations. It is not uncharitable for me to hope that for you, even though I don't know you.

Don't hold your breath.

Answer me please, why do I believe there is hope for you to find the God of the Holy Bible?

I'm not a mind reader....but since you seem to want me to guess about your motives...

I'd say you're astonishingly ignorant about the nature of my beliefs and atheism in general. You seem to be of the opinion that we have some problem, or something is wrong with us, and if we were just exposed to Jesus we would believe. It would be difficult to get further from the truth.

Apart from that, you seem to perhaps suffer from a messiah complex that is brought on by delusions of grandeur.

It is through our tribulations that we leave our pride aside and come with no preconceived biases or expectations, other than a request for help. Calling out to Jesus is like the Vanila Sky movie which presents this life as having great characters but soon it turns out to be a nightmare and we call out help help help.

I haven't seen that one...not a big Tom Cruise fan.

Do you believe when presented with this scenario that the Loving God will say, I don't like Mr Ana for he things only of himself Ana Ana and never looks down upon himself to how spiritually impoverished he truly is. So God says Mr Ana has not reached the brokeness that I desire to win his trust because he still thinks his self esteem can carry him across the line.

I don't believe in god....so I don't imagine any of these things.

Why do you think the Israelites walked in the wilderness for 40 years and kept going in circles, where the journey should have taken them approximately 6 months?

That story is basically considered fiction by most serious scholars of the topic. Educated people don't really believe the Israelites wandered the desert for 40 years. You should look into it.

God saw that they needed to be literally broken in order to admitt their guilt and dispose of their selffish pride.

Generations of slavery wasn't enough? What a jerk.

You my friend are experiencing life like the Israelites, we all are. Some have arrived whilst others continue to go in circles.

I'm sure you think so.

Ths request I make of you to watch it, is to see the slow dismantling of human pride and you may find similarities in your life and determine which character best represents you. I urge and plead with you to watch it and those 45 minutes will prevent you from walking in circles in the wilderness of finding meaning and purpose and your relationship with the Father in heaven whom you looked up to in finding but never found. It is a touching movie based on a true testimony and I see it a gain for you.

There's really nothing in a 45 min video of some Nigerian guy which will change my mind. It's extremely naive of you to think so.

Try to imagine this...

I may actually know far far more than you do...not only about your religion, but most religions, and history as well. Yet even if I didn't know more than you on those topics...I know far far more than you about life, reality, and people in general. All of this knowledge...that you don't have...contributes to the fact that I don't believe in god.

Do you understand now why your little video won't change my mind (or anyone else's)?

 

[The Times]

Oh dear dear me, no what I asked is 5% of what ?
How do you know it's 5% of Data, what method are you using to measure it, its just a meaningless statement ?

You are saying that you lack the believe in God and ask people for evidence in order to believe, right?

What you are asking is all things pertaining to five senses and the senses only account for 5% of the formulation for constructing an accurate account. Your saying show me the 5% raw data represents 100% factual evidence. No human thought process has constructed an accurate account from just actual raw data, it requires the constructs and meaning making of the mind for establishing an accurate account. Your asking Christians to convince you with 5% because 5% is all that you will grant in proving 100%, and this is a preposterous asking.

Your methadology for determining a true account is biased against the Christian because that is certainly not the method you apply when determining a true account, because you internally allow for the interpretation of the raw data. So you my friend are living in an Athiest bubble that you created and any raw data presented to you without your bubble like cognitive constructs is rejected before even the raw data is considered.

This explains why you reject insurmountable Christian testimonies because you have locked yourself into your Athiest bubble.

What is it revealing, other than a bloke wrote a little saying that had absolutely nothing to do with the question ?

Again you are taking 5% data and expecting the data to interpret itself and to yield you 100% factual account. No one is going to feed you with a silver spoon and even if they tried to firce feed you, your Athiest bubble like firewall will reject further interpretation and then resort to immediately discount it as nothing to do with your question.

This is cognitive dissonance friend. I will repeat it everytime you are exemplifying it through these illogical and inconsistent replies.

You mean because a bloke wrote something you believe a few thousand years ago ? Of course it can be asked by me, and was in fact it was asked by me

Again your equating something in its 5% raw data state and dismissing it without applying interpretive sound judgement, because your Athiest bubble prevents you from applying constructs and rules in determining the true account and as a result you dismiss it from a position of ignorance. You can't do that even if you believe you can, because you're breaking every rule of logic.

Utter goobleygook, though I have heard such things before when reading a book about how people are de-converted from cults and the like. Frankly you sound more new-age than anything

No I am not new age.
You don't think that Athiesm is a cult?

Offcourse you don't because of the bubble you live in, that firewalls everything that doesn't fit your dissonance.

Oh I believe he had an experience, but have heard stories that other religions and philosophies have helped in this regard too

How can you speak of other religions and philosophies when they are outside of the constructs and meaning making of your rigid Athiest bubble?

Again gobbledygook,
Why do you think the number of people matters when deciding truth, especially when it's an invisible unprovable truth ? If it's simply number who experience, why not all other religions ?

Again the question you are asking is not within your Athiest bubble, so why do you ask things that do not fit with your dissonance? Your being inconsistent and flip flopping and tweaking your cognition as you are NOT genuinely wanting to find the answer to your question, but are using the question as a deflectory measure, much like a fighter plane uses flares when a missile lockes onto it. You are doing the same thing and this is your bubble. I recommend you pop it and escape out into the real world and live spiritually free from the bandage of the bubble you have created for yourself that you live in and live by.

This Athiest Bubble in essence becomes your god even if you will not admit it.

The thing is I don't have to explain away yours and others feelings, neither do I have to explain them, I'm just asking for verifiable tangible evidence. I believe you have a genuine belief in this stuff, but that just means you believe, not that it's real.

How can you ask for tangibles and discount the intangibles.

Oh I believe he had an experience, but have heard stories that other religions and philosophies have helped in this regard too, I simply believe he was mentally ill.

Shoot the messenger at first sight who tries to penetrate your illusionary bubble, by labelling him mentally ill. Even if this witness of Jesus presented himself in all his weakness and under great tribulation, you would further wound him by your uncharitable labelling of him by saying he is mentally ill.

So billions of Christians who don't agree with your Athiestic bubble or prison of the mind are also mentally ill and that leaves you as one of a few sane people alongside your Athiest comrades.

Well now we know the only way this Athiest bubble can be busted is when you go through great tribulation. I pray that you need to go through it, so you can bust out of the jail your mind is captive to.

Good luck in your journey of life and be ready for your salvation draws near.

Thankyou for all your replies.

 

[The Times]

After a lenghty dialogue with several Athiests, I have come to the conclusion that cognitive dissonance is exemplified, when reasoned and logical arguments are continually being interrupted by arguments from a position of ignorance and questions are asked that are meant to be deflectory rather than constructive.

All in all I believe Athiesm is a cult that has retreated into a collective bubble of the mind or call it a prison for the mind, that prevents the victim of incarceration from acknowledging that they are in captivity. This is further exemplified by their fear of breaking out from the prison of the mind that they have created for themselves.

Believe it or not: Atheist mega-churches are the new craze in US and Australia after British comedians popularized the movement earlier this year | Daily Mail Online

The only solution for the Athiest is an urgent need to pop their bubble, but this can only be done by the victim themselves. Athiests in this life, need to go through much tribulation collectively so that their support network is no longer there. Case studies of world events and Athiest reaction need further study.

When the Athiestic bubble is busted, it is then possible for Christian outreach to bring them into the light of Jesus Christ.

Here is a web link that suggests pain and suffering of tribulation as a vehicle to wobble their bubble, so to make it unfortable, where the Athiests will eventually desire to pop their own bubble and to escape towards the light to save themselves....

Atheist professor’s near-death experience in hell left him changed | God Reports

 

[Dave Ellis]

After a lenghty dialogue with several Athiests, I have come to the conclusion that cognitive dissonance is exemplified, when reasoned and logical arguments are continually being interrupted by arguments from a position of ignorance and questions are asked that are meant to be deflectory rather than constructive.

All in all I believe Athiesm is a cult that has retreated into a collective bubble of the mind or call it a prison for the mind, that prevents the victim of incarceration from acknowledging that they are in captivity. This is further exemplified by their fear of breaking out from the prison of the mind that they have created for themselves.

Believe it or not: Atheist mega-churches are the new craze in US and Australia after British comedians popularized the movement earlier this year | Daily Mail Online

The only solution for the Athiest is an urgent need to pop their bubble, but this can only be done by the victim themselves. Athiests in this life, need to go through much tribulation collectively so that their support network is no longer there. Case studies of world events and Athiest reaction need further study.

When the Athiestic bubble is busted, it is then possible for Christian outreach to bring them into the light of Jesus Christ.

Here is a web link that suggests pain and suffering of tribulation as a vehicle to wobble their bubble, so to make it unfortable, where the Athiests will eventually desire to pop their own bubble and to escape towards the light to save themselves....

Atheist professor’s near-death experience in hell left him changed | God Reports

Do you have anything to offer but ridiculously long cut and paste posts that don't prove anything?

 

[bhsmte]

After a lenghty dialogue with several Athiests, I have come to the conclusion that cognitive dissonance is exemplified, when reasoned and logical arguments are continually being interrupted by arguments from a position of ignorance and questions are asked that are meant to be deflectory rather than constructive.

All in all I believe Athiesm is a cult that has retreated into a collective bubble of the mind or call it a prison for the mind, that prevents the victim of incarceration from acknowledging that they are in captivity. This is further exemplified by their fear of breaking out from the prison of the mind that they have created for themselves.

Believe it or not: Atheist mega-churches are the new craze in US and Australia after British comedians popularized the movement earlier this year | Daily Mail Online

The only solution for the Athiest is an urgent need to pop their bubble, but this can only be done by the victim themselves. Athiests in this life, need to go through much tribulation collectively so that their support network is no longer there. Case studies of world events and Athiest reaction need further study.

When the Athiestic bubble is busted, it is then possible for Christian outreach to bring them into the light of Jesus Christ.

Here is a web link that suggests pain and suffering of tribulation as a vehicle to wobble their bubble, so to make it unfortable, where the Athiests will eventually desire to pop their own bubble and to escape towards the light to save themselves....

Atheist professor’s near-death experience in hell left him changed | God Reports

Text book projection.

 

[Ana the Ist]

After a lenghty dialogue with several Athiests, I have come to the conclusion that cognitive dissonance is exemplified, when reasoned and logical arguments are continually being interrupted by arguments from a position of ignorance and questions are asked that are meant to be deflectory rather than constructive.

All in all I believe Athiesm is a cult that has retreated into a collective bubble of the mind or call it a prison for the mind, that prevents the victim of incarceration from acknowledging that they are in captivity. This is further exemplified by their fear of breaking out from the prison of the mind that they have created for themselves.

Believe it or not: Atheist mega-churches are the new craze in US and Australia after British comedians popularized the movement earlier this year | Daily Mail Online

The only solution for the Athiest is an urgent need to pop their bubble, but this can only be done by the victim themselves. Athiests in this life, need to go through much tribulation collectively so that their support network is no longer there. Case studies of world events and Athiest reaction need further study.

When the Athiestic bubble is busted, it is then possible for Christian outreach to bring them into the light of Jesus Christ.

Here is a web link that suggests pain and suffering of tribulation as a vehicle to wobble their bubble, so to make it unfortable, where the Athiests will eventually desire to pop their own bubble and to escape towards the light to save themselves....

Atheist professor’s near-death experience in hell left him changed | God Reports

Remember when I said you should at least consider that you don't know what you're talking about?

You didn't do that, did you?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Text book projection.

I know, right? It's all the imagery of being "trapped in a bubble". It's not as if we don't understand why he doesn't agree with us...it's he who cannot understand why we don't agree with him.

 

[possibletarian]

You are saying that you lack the believe in God and ask people for evidence in order to believe, right?

What you are asking is all things pertaining to five senses and the senses only account for 5% of the formulation for constructing an accurate account. Your saying show me the 5% raw data represents 100% factual evidence. No human thought process has constructed an accurate account from just actual raw data, it requires the constructs and meaning making of the mind for establishing an accurate account. Your asking Christians to convince you with 5% because 5% is all that you will grant in proving 100%, and this is a preposterous asking.

Your methadology for determining a true account is biased against the Christian because that is certainly not the method you apply when determining a true account, because you internally allow for the interpretation of the raw data. So you my friend are living in an Athiest bubble that you created and any raw data presented to you without your bubble like cognitive constructs is rejected before even the raw data is considered.

This explains why you reject insurmountable Christian testimonies because you have locked yourself into your Athiest bubble.



Again you are taking 5% data and expecting the data to interpret itself and to yield you 100% factual account. No one is going to feed you with a silver spoon and even if they tried to firce feed you, your Athiest bubble like firewall will reject further interpretation and then resort to immediately discount it as nothing to do with your question.

This is cognitive dissonance friend. I will repeat it everytime you are exemplifying it through these illogical and inconsistent replies.

Do you actually read what people type, again for the third time I ask how you arrived at your 5%, if it's simply a guess then just say ''I guessed'' instead of lengthy but meaningless replies.

Again your equating something in its 5% raw data state and dismissing it without applying interpretive sound judgement, because your Athiest bubble prevents you from applying constructs and rules in determining the true account and as a result you dismiss it from a position of ignorance. You can't do that even if you believe you can, because you're breaking every rule of logic

How can asking a question be dismissing anything from ignorance ?

No I am not new age.
You don't think that Athiesm is a cult?

I'm not an atheist, and in any case how can not believing be a cult ?

Offcourse you don't because of the bubble you live in, that firewalls everything that doesn't fit your dissonance.

Really, I don't agree, and are you sure you are using the right word ?

How can you speak of other religions and philosophies when they are outside of the constructs and meaning making of your rigid Athiest bubble?

It's easy I simply open my mouth and speak, or type on my keyboard, I'm asking why if you, given that if thousands of people over many centuries say they have had religious experiences say that it should be taken as proof. Why don't you take the same as proof of the reliability of all the other world religions ?

Again the question you are asking is not within your Athiest bubble, so why do you ask things that do not fit with your dissonance? Your being inconsistent and flip flopping and tweaking your cognition as you are NOT genuinely wanting to find the answer to your question, but are using the question as a deflectory measure, much like a fighter plane uses flares when a missile lockes onto it. You are doing the same thing and this is your bubble. I recommend you pop it and escape out into the real world and live spiritually free from the bandage of the bubble you have created for yourself that you live in and live by.

This Athiest Bubble in essence becomes your god even if you will not admit it.

I don't believe in gods, and yes I am not seeking to enter your world of fantasy, I am curious though why you believe and have asked for reasons other than 'feelings' you don't seem able to provide any.

How can you ask for tangibles and discount the intangibles.

I don't even know what that means. Do you mean tangerines , if so yes please i love the tasty orange snacks. Seriously because intangible means just that, it can be imagined.

Shoot the messenger at first sight who tries to penetrate your illusionary bubble, by labelling him mentally ill. Even if this witness of Jesus presented himself in all his weakness and under great tribulation, you would further wound him by your uncharitable labelling of him by saying he is mentally ill.

So billions of Christians who don't agree with your Athiestic bubble or prison of the mind are also mentally ill and that leaves you as one of a few sane people alongside your Athiest comrades.

Well now we know the only way this Athiest bubble can be busted is when you go through great tribulation. I pray that you need to go through it, so you can bust out of the jail your mind is captive to.

Good luck in your journey of life and be ready for your salvation draws near.

Thankyou for all your replies.

Again gobbledygook, that's not what I said at all, I said that the fella in the video clearly had problems. again try reading what people actually ask or say instead of just making things up.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Atheism is a cognitive dissonance disorder. It can't be reasoned with because it does not have the vocabulary needed to understand matters pertaining to the spirit.

Cognitive dissonance.....

In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental discomfort (psychological stress) experienced by a person who simultaneously holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values. The occurrence of cognitive dissonance is consequence of a person's performing an action that contradicts personal beliefs, ideals, and values; and also occurs when confronted with new information that contradicts said beliefs, ideals, and values.

How to catch an Athiest at his or her own lie?

The lie is the contradiction, as Jesus said you will know them by their works.

We notice that Athiests provide sensational claims that...

God doesn't exist.

Yet if we confront atheists on grounds of human ethics and morality, they have absolutely no real and tangible answer to the question. In fact when confronting an Athiest on the issues of ethics and morality, they simply answer that these are unknown qualities of humanity that they have no answers for.

If we look at human history, we witness ethics and morality being applied consistently and not randomly as some sort of phenomena as the athiests claim. In fact this forms part of their cognitive dissonance that they are so confident that God being outside of the scope of human metaphysical understanding doesn't exist, yet the ethics and morality exhibited by humans throughout history are an unknown phenomena.

Look at the definition of cognitive dissonance and you will see how they exhibit a mental discomfort when confronted with new information that contradicts said beliefs, ideals, and values. they in turn resort to simultaneously holding two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values.

IN THIS REGARD THE STATEMENT BELOW UNDERPINS WHAT ATHIEISM IS.....

Athieism in its totality is a FRAUD.

Man... Talk about a bad case of projection.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

The Athiest doesn't understand an Athiest, let alone Athieism.

We at least understand how atheist is actually spelled.

 

[Skreeper]

We at least understand how atheist is actually spelled.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I never get tired of this gif!

 

[Larniavc]

You can say that again! But I don't take offense.



My statement is charitable. I am giving Athiests who say repeatedly that they are LACKING the personal repeatable experience. So I intuitively incorporated your lacking of personal experience into the definition of the term and I believe that I was charitable in doing so.



Notice how I ingeniously incorporated evidence of a personal experience of a witness in place of a mere premise, that is a suggestion or a claim .

Christians claim a real and tangible life long experience and this is not a mere premise that doesn't need to be proven, rather the living proof is the first hand testimony of the witness of Jesus Christ. So in a court of law a witness can testify of their personal experience, whereas other parties who try to refute it are doing so on grounds of heresay opinions.

So the way I reworded it by replacing premise/claim with the testimony of a living witness that tangibly has a personal experiences attached to it.



Here lies the crunch.... that Christians as far as their personal life long experience with Jesus is concerned is more real and tangible than the primal electrical signals that are gathered from the 5 senses that accounts for only 5% of human cognitive meaning making and interpretative judgement. We as humand use 95% internal constructs and rules, along with the 5% of actual data gathered through senses, in order to verify the evidence and we call this experience.



Well it isn't about firmal essay writing, more so about using language and terms as tools in a constructive ways to serve the purpose of the argument for or against.

You see the argument from ignorance only really applies to the hearsayers who are Athiests who have yet to experience the evidence that Christians have throughout the last 2000 years and counting.



The burden of proof has to be shifted to the hearsayers who have not experienced what Christians have throughout the last 2000 years and counting.

For example, if a person experiences distress from say an accident, then the judge takes the testimony of the first hand eye witness into evidence because it is counted as real and tangible witness of fact. The evidence provided by a witness of fact is not just a premise, if we refer to the definition of argument from ignorance, but is counted as fact. The only way that the evidence that a witness of fact provides can be contested, is if there is another witness of fact that refutes the witness of fact testimony by stating that he saw them laughing and carrying on as if nothing had happened. If there is no other witness of fact and a person opines in refutation of the witness of fact, then the judge will silence the opinion as deem it hearsay. It is this hearsay premise that is postulated by Athiests that leads to the conclusion that they argue from a position of ignorance because they themselves say that they lack evidence because they are not witnesss of fact.

The second approach an Athiest can take is to prove the lack of credibility of a witness of fact by showing evidence that they are lying. This would mean that the Christian who says they have experienced Jesus have in fact not experienced Jesus when they are caught sending a message on facebook for example that contradicts their claim.



Absolutely and then some more!

You've so been caught being naughty!

 

[bhsmte]

I am profiting so much from atheism this year, I am having to pay estimated quarterly taxes to the IRS this year.