The 3 Beasts of Revelation 13.

[Riberra]

satan, the word itself means "adversary". A devil is an adversary, not necessarlly an angel, simply because Satan the angel was called the devil - the adversary.

Were the nephillim adversaries to men? I think the answer is "yes". The unclean spirit of a devil, thus would be the disembodied spirit of a physically dead nephillim - that is looking to for a body to inhabit and torment.

Could the nephillim be related to fallen angels? Well, some of the fallen angels has relations with the daughters of men (humans) resulting in the nephillim race. So there is a connection between the nephillim and the fallen angels originally.

I don't think we have enough information on the subject to know exactly what demons are. But I don't know of any place in the bible that calls the fallen angels - demons directly. On the other hand, it could be said the same for the nephillim... excepting that the bible does say that nephillim died in the flood....not so of the fallen angels who started the nephillim race.

Very good description.

The fallen angels [number unknown] implied in the event that you describe [Genesis 6:1-4]have been locked into the bottomless pit ....

Jude 1:6 (KJV)
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day

2 Peter 2:4
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Christians might be surprised by the images they have of Jesus to, when he ends up looking more like a lamb that has seven eyes and seven horns, not to mention the whole sword thing that comes out of his mouth.

The sword is the Word of God.
Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Coming out of His mouth is the Word coming out of His mouth.

 

[Aseyesee]

The sword is the Word of God.
Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Coming out of His mouth is the Word coming out of His mouth.

And that, in the language of symbolism is exactly right.

The book of Revelation is a book of symbolism, which I find really everything to be that way. Even literal things are defined by the Bible as to what they mean in relationship to their context, whether it is in the single sentence that it appears in, and those things that surround it, or whether in the light of the whole Bible, and all of it in relationship to the purpose of God, that was before all things were.

The original post started with the world being conditioned by media to accept angels cast down disguised as aliens. There's allot of this kind of stuff going around in Christian circles, and some are zealously affected by it.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

And that, in the language of symbolism is exactly right.

The book of Revelation is a book of symbolism, which I find really everything to be that way. Even literal things are defined by the Bible as to what they mean in relationship to their context, whether it is in the single sentence that it appears in, and those things that surround it, or whether in the light of the whole Bible, and all of it in relationship to the purpose of God, that was before all things were.

The original post started with the world being conditioned by media to accept angels cast down disguised as aliens. There's allot of this kind of stuff going around in Christian circles, and some are zealously affected by it.

I was just showing what the Bible said the sword was.

 

[Riberra]

And that, in the language of symbolism is exactly right.

The book of Revelation is a book of symbolism, which I find really everything to be that way.

What is your interpretation of Revelation 12:7-9 ? How do you think it will look like to us when it happen,,, Satan being cast out of Heaven down to the Earth with his angels ?

Revelation 12:7-9
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[Aseyesee]

What is your interpretation of Revelation 12:7-9 ?

Revelation 12:7-9
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

It's an inner truth. Relational to the journey that happens in us.

 

[Riberra]

It's an inner truth. Relational to the journey that happens in us.

An inner thruth of what ?...
Are you sure that you have read it (?) if so read it again >Revelation 12:7-9 ...

The Bible warn us that the Whole World will be deceived by -signs and wonders Matthew 24:24-25 - all those whose names are not written in the Book of life of the Lamb will worship the Beast... Revelation 17:8

 

[Aseyesee]

An inner thruth of what ?...
Are you sure that you have read it (?) if so read it again >Revelation 12:7-9 ...

The Bible warn us that the Whole World will be deceived by -signs and wonders Matthew 24:24-25 - all those whose names are not written in the Book of life of the Lamb will worship the Beast... Revelation 17:8

That question is hard to answer in a small way.

I will try to be brief as possible, and for the record I don’t care whether anyone believes me or not, it actually makes no difference to me one way or the other, because it is not something I believe it is something I see. It’s sort of the same to me as Jesus having to prove he is the son of God, proving is really a moot point.

The fight for supremacy is in us firstly, before it can be outside of us, so to me what is important is relationship, but a relationship cannot be established without a language, and what things mean in this language to the one whose language it is.

It's easy to see what a lamb is a picture of throughout the entire Bible, which is how a word that is a picture of something is defined.

Angels, red dragons, three arch angels battling it out (why two thirds), Babylon the city, Babylon the mother, an image of the king of Babylon, where is this image, who did it come from, what brakes this image, and how do other things relate to the same one thing that God considered finished before it ever began, along with that, what this means to me as to where I am, and who I am in this; all pictures of things that first relate to the process of Christ being revealed in us without which we are able to understand what these things mean to everybody collectively.

 

[Riberra]

That question is hard to answer in a small way.

I will try to be brief as possible, and for the record I don’t care whether anyone believes me or not, it actually makes no difference to me one way or the other, because it is not something I believe it is something I see.

To resume you are saying that you have no idea what Revelation 12 and Revelation 13 is about ...and you don't care because your preacher have said to you that you don't have to worry about the Book of Revelation because you will be caught up to Heaven before the bad things happen if you are alive at that time...//

Which mean , that you are unable to see that this is part of the deception ...that belief that you will not be there [because supposedly you will be taken to Heaven]if you are alive when that happen...even if Jesus tell us
in Matthew 24:24-25 that even the elect are at risk to fall for the great deception >being deceived by these great signs and wonders who have still not happened yet ...

Matthew 24:24-25
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

 

[Aseyesee]

To resume you are saying that you have no idea what Revelation 12 and Revelation 13 is about ...and you don't care because your preacher have said to you that you don't have to worry about the Book of Revelation because you will be caught up to Heaven before the bad things happen if you are alive at that time...

No, I'm saying you have no idea, but since you think you see, I 'll leave you to your opinion.

 

[FrankDux]

Is that your....final answer ?

 

[Aseyesee]

Is that your....final answer ?

If thats to me, I see no reason to continue, it would take to long to go through the entire bible, specially for one to spiritually lazy to plow for themself.

 

[FrankDux]

Well, I wholeheartedly support people who think they have gleaned from the scriptures what is held in them

 

[Riberra]

No, I'm saying you have no idea, but since you think you see, I 'll leave you to your opinion.

Let see :We all know that The Lamb represent Jesus Revelation 5:6.

Revelation 12:9 tell us that the Dragon represent Satan .... but also tell us that Satan -WAS- that OLD SERPENT which deceiveth the whole world...

Based on your great knowledge of symbolism:

Can you tell us what God try to tell us by SATAN -WAS- that OLD SERPENT which deceiveth the whole world???

I know the answer but i want to SEE your interpretation.
Revelation 12:9
9 And the great dragon was cast out, THAT OLD SERPENT, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[Riberra]

Christians might be surprised by the images they have of Jesus to, when he ends up looking more like a lamb that has seven eyes and seven horns,

Let the Bible explain to -you- the symbolism of the seven eyes and seven horns,
Revelation 5:6
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

 

[Riberra]

I only see two notable beasts related to our enemy, both listed in Rev 13. Where is the 3rd one?

1-The Dragon [SATAN] Revelation 13:4,
2-THE BEAST [ABADDON Revelation 13:4 Revelation 17:8 Revelation 9:11 Revelation 11:7]
3-The FALSE PROPHET Revelation 13:11-18... The Satanic "trinity" will be visible to all ....

Off course none off them will say -Hi!, I am Satan- ,-Hi !, i am Abaddon your beloved antichrist-,or HI ! i am the False Prophet...[when they will appear publicly for the first time]


Revelation 13:4
4 And they worshipped THE DRAGON which gave power unto THE BEAST : and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?


The False Prophet
Revelation 13:11-18
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

 

[ewq1938]

1-The Dragon [SATAN] Revelation 13:4,
2-THE BEAST [ABADDON Revelation 13:4 Revelation 17:8 Revelation 9:11 Revelation 11:7]
3-The FALSE PROPHET Revelation 13:11-18... The Satanic "trinity" will be visible to all ....

That's not the issue. The issue is another person has been suggested to exist. I already know about Satan and the 2 beasts of Rev 13.

 

[Riberra]

That's not the issue. The issue is another person has been suggested to exist. I already know about Satan and the 2 beasts of Rev 13.

Reread my first post ,,,the Beast coming out of the Sea is a New KINGDOM ie a Worldwide Government made of 10 Regions that one day will became the Kingdom of the one that will be wounded at the head...that is the point...

The Beast wounded at the head is not a Kingdom but one of its -7 heads leaders- in charge of the 10 adminstrators [10 crowns] of the ten regions [10 horns] ...

10 crowns on the 10 horns on the 7 heads of the Government Beast [Kingdom] who rise out of the sea.

Description of the 10 administrators of the 10 regions:
Revelation 17
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

 

[ewq1938]

Reread my first post ,,,the Beast coming out of the Sea is a New KINGDOM ie a Worldwide Government made of 10 Regions that one day will became the Kingdom of the one that will be wounded at the head...that is the point...

This idea that a person gets wounded in the head is not found in Rev at all. There is no such person. One of the 7 mountains which is a region of this world wide government is what receives a wound.

The Beast wounded at the head is not a Kingdom but one of its -7 heads leaders- in charge of the 10 adminstrators [10 crowns] of the ten regions [10 horns] ...

Not according to Rev 13 and Rev 17.

 

[Riberra]

This idea that a person gets wounded in the head is not found in Rev at all. There is no such person. One of the 7 mountains which is a region of this world wide government is what receives a wound.

Not according to Rev 13 and Rev 17.

The World will not worship a "mountain" who was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Revelation 13:3-5
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

But as mentioned in
Revelation 17:8

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.