The 3 Beasts of Revelation 13.

[ewq1938]

-The FIRST Beast is the one that will be wounded at the head and came back to life.

Not exactly. The first beast has 7 heads and one of the heads which is a mountain is wounded by a sword and would have died but the wound healed so there was no death and it's not a person.

 

[ewq1938]

1 -The Beast rising up out of the sea Revelation 13:1-2

2 -The Beast coming out of the Bottomless Pit Revelation 17:8

Uh, that's the same beast not two different ones:

Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

 

[Jezmeyah]

The Bible tell us about the 3 Beasts

Where [in the used Bible text] does "3 beasts" come from?

The beast described is in reference of a world empire, likened to the text in Daniel of the previous empires that came and went.

The beast (one) receives the power of the dragon (satan).. the empire is not satan incarnate.

The empire is made up of a conglomerate of unified nations that have their roots in the previous empires.

The described Biblical empire has been likened or identified as the EU., aka the revived Roman Empire. It corresponds with the toes of clay and iron of Nebuchadnezzar's dream in Daniel.

The following has not happened yet. And will not happen before it's appointed time.

The beast (one) has seven heads (3 will be conquered) and ten horns. The conqueror is to be the antichrist of Revel.6.

There is no Biblical text which gives the date, any date in which the 70th week of Daniel will begin. Neither has there been a Bible scholar or God appointed Bible prophet which has made any such announcement.

Those in the conspiracy theory community who have made any such announcement were of course proved to be wrong. Therefore one wonders why any subsequent announcement by them would be included with a discussion of Biblical content.

 

[Riberra]

Your Problem here is you are failing to recognize there is no 8th Head of the Seven Headed Beast, because the 8th is only a Demon Spirit. I am concentrating on Earthly Kingdoms and Kings not HIGHER POWERS and what goes on in the Spirit world.

You should:
Ephesians 6:12
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

What do you think a Demon is? A Fallen Angel.

Demons are the disincarnated spirits of the Nephilims mentioned in Genesis 6 who were killed in the Flood...who are roaming the Earth since that time in quest of a host [human body] to possess...

Many Demons are assigned by Satan of things, this is nothing new. John/Jesus just wanted us to know that there is a Demon assigned to accomplish this mission and that he has been over all Seven of the Beast Heads. We could say 9 because Satan is over Apollyon. I don't place much stick in the 8th King, we KNOW Demons come against us, Paul tells us we wrestle the these POWERS of Darkness all the time. Its a FACT, but it has nothing to do with what we will see.....even though we know its there.

Abaddon was the chief angels responsible of the event described in Genesis 6:4 and was locked into the bottomless pit since that time along with the other angels [sons of God]part of the Genesis 6:4 event.

Again, this word WHOLE WORLD can't mean the WHOLE WORLD because if it did then Nebuchadnezzar would have had to have Conquered the WHOLE WORLD.

It could be the Whole World, but even then it could still be ONE MAN from the E.U. doing the Conquering. He arises out of Europe as do the 10 KINGS.

Nothing special have happened when the E.U became 10 European Nations.

The revival of the Roman Empire [interpretation of the Beast wounded at the head coming back to life] composed of 10 European Nations is old school whose many hold to it...

The E.U. thingie have been proven wrong when other European Countries joined the E.U. thus became more than 10 ....

 

[Riberra]

Your Problem here is you are failing to recognize there is no 8th Head of the Seven Headed Beast, because the 8th is only a Demon Spirit. I am concentrating on Earthly Kingdoms and Kings not HIGHER POWERS and what goes on in the Spirit world.

You should:
Ephesians 6:12
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

What do you think a Demon is? A Fallen Angel.

Demons are the disincarnated spirits of the Nephilims mentioned in Genesis 6 who were killed in the Flood...who are roaming the Earth since that time in quest of a host [human body] to possess...

Many Demons are assigned by Satan of things, this is nothing new. John/Jesus just wanted us to know that there is a Demon assigned to accomplish this mission and that he has been over all Seven of the Beast Heads. We could say 9 because Satan is over Apollyon. I don't place much stick in the 8th King, we KNOW Demons come against us, Paul tells us we wrestle the these POWERS of Darkness all the time. Its a FACT, but it has nothing to do with what we will see.....even though we know its there.

Abaddon was the chief angel responsible of the event described in Genesis 6:4 and was locked into the bottomless pit since that time along with the other angels [Sons of God]part of the Genesis 6:4 event.

Again, this word WHOLE WORLD can't mean the WHOLE WORLD because if it did then Nebuchadnezzar would have had to have Conquered the WHOLE WORLD.

It could be the Whole World, but even then it could still be ONE MAN from the E.U. doing the Conquering. He arises out of Europe as do the 10 KINGS.

Nothing special have happened when the E.U became 10 European Nations.

The revival of the Roman Empire [interpretation of the Beast wounded at the head coming back to life] composed of 10 European Nations is old school whose many hold to it...

The E.U. thingie have been proven wrong when other European Countries joined the E.U. thus became more than 10 ....

 

[Revealing Times]

Demons are the disincarnated spirits of the Nephilims mentioned in Genesis 6 who were killed in the Flood...who are roaming the Earth since that time in quest of a host [human body] to possess...

Out there in left field braaa.

 

[ewq1938]

Demons are the disincarnated spirits of the Nephilims mentioned in Genesis 6 who were killed in the Flood...who are roaming the Earth since that time in quest of a host [human body] to possess...

I'm afraid there is a difference between a demon and the spirit of a demon:

Luk 4:33 And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, and cried out with a loud voice,




An evil spirit originates from a "demon" which is likely a fallen angel. It is that "demon" which can send forth it's evil spirit to dwell within a person.


The KJV uses "devil" instead of demon. The Devil is satan, who is a fallen angel. Thus, all fallen angels are devils/demons.


Based on this verse, if a "demon" is cast out the writer is intending to say the spirit of the demon is cast out therefore in literary brevity the demon is cast via their spirit being cast out. A demon/fallen angel can only possess a man using their spirit but they themselves cannot force their physical body into another physical body. Naturally that is impossible.

So a demon/devil is a fallen angel just as satan, the devil, is a fallen angel. Any fallen angel has an evil spirit that can inhabit a person if there is a spiritual weakness for them to exploit.

Second witness:


Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.


Here unclean spirits come out of these three.


Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

And here we are told they are spirits of devils/demons as opposed to devils/demons themselves so there is a clear distinction between a devil/demon and the spirit of a devil/demon.

 

[Riberra]

Uh, that's the same beast not two different ones:

In the sense that it will be a political system that will emerge ie a NEW WORLD ORDER ...with the one that will one day be the TOTAL DICTATOR of that political system

While the false prophet will be in charge of the application of the New Worldwide Religious System THAT WILL REPLACE ALL EXISTING RELIGIONS....IE THE ADORATION OF THE ONE THAT WILL BE WOUNDED AT THE HEAD.

Rev 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Rev 17:7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the namee of blasphemy.

The Beast who come out of the Bottomless Pit [Revelation 17:8] is the one [that will receive the wound at the head and come back to life that the World shall wonder ]and be forced to worship by the second Beast false prophet.

 

[Riberra]

I'm afraid there is a difference between a demon and the spirit of a demon:

Luk 4:33 And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, and cried out with a loud voice,

Perfect descricption of a Disincarnated spirit ---without a physical body.
Angels have a physical body.

I
An evil spirit originates from a "demon" which is likely a fallen angel. It is that "demon" which can send forth it's evil spirit to dwell within a person.


The KJV uses "devil" instead of demon. The Devil is satan, who is a fallen angel. Thus, all fallen angels are devils/demons.


Based on this verse, if a "demon" is cast out the writer is intending to say the spirit of the demon is cast out therefore in literary brevity the demon is cast via their spirit being cast out. A demon/fallen angel can only possess a man using their spirit but they themselves cannot force their physical body into another physical body. Naturally that is impossible.

So a demon/devil is a fallen angel just as satan, the devil, is a fallen angel. Any fallen angel has an evil spirit that can inhabit a person if there is a spiritual weakness for them to exploit.

Second witness:


Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.


Here unclean spirits come out of these three.


Rev 16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

And here we are told they are spirits of devils/demons as opposed to devils/demons themselves so there is a clear distinction between a devil/demon and the spirit of a devil/demon.

Nowhere it is said that the tree evil spirits coming out of the mouth of the tree goes to possess the Kings and the whole world [all those with the mark of the Beast] but to INFLUENCE THEM TO DO SOMETHING....ie to gather them at Armageddon ...

 

[ewq1938]

Perfect descricption of a Disincarnated spirit ---without a physical body.
Angels have a physical body.

Demons are fallen angels. It is their spirits that can inhabit human bodies. That was the entire point of that post.

A demon has a body and a spirit.
That spirit can possess a human.

A demon is not a bodiless spirit.

 

[Riberra]

Demons are fallen angels. It is their spirits that can inhabit human bodies. That was the entire point of that post.

A demon has a body and a spirit.
That spirit can possess a human.

A demon is not a bodiless spirit.

Are you saying that 3 evil spirits can possess more than 3 Kings ....the text say the Kings of the Earth and the whole world to gather them for the Battle of the Great Day of God Almighty Revelation 16:13-14?

 

[ewq1938]

Are you saying that 3 evil spirits can possess more than 3 Kings

Nope. Nothing I posted is related to anything of that nature. I am showing you that a demon is not a bodiless spirit.

 

[Riberra]

Nope. Nothing I posted is related to anything of that nature. I am showing you that a demon is not a bodiless spirit.

But you said in Post # 27 that Revelation 16:13-14 is a second witness of possession by evil spirits...

 

[ewq1938]

But you said in Post # 27 that Revelation 16:13-14 is a second witness of possession by evil spirits...

Nope. I said it's a witness of spirits coming from devils/demons.

 

[Riberra]

Out there in left field braaa.

Nope. I said it's a witness of spirits coming from devils/demons.

Here something from the Bible who explain what a demon is:
No mention that the UNCLEAN SPIRIT is [or are] fallen angels.

Matthew 12:43-45

43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.

44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.

45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
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Interpretation of Matthew 12:45 - Demons - Bible Knowledge
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Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, ... The dimension he is roaming about is dry compared to the human body that he .... Now the last part of this verse says that if the original demon manages to get ...

 

[Douggg]

The KJV uses "devil" instead of demon. The Devil is satan, who is a fallen angel. Thus, all fallen angels are devils/demons.

satan, the word itself means "adversary". A devil is an adversary, not necessarlly an angel, simply because Satan the angel was called the devil - the adversary.

Were the nephillim adversaries to men? I think the answer is "yes". The unclean spirit of a devil, thus would be the disembodied spirit of a physically dead nephillim - that is looking to for a body to inhabit and torment.

Could the nephillim be related to fallen angels? Well, some of the fallen angels has relations with the daughters of men (humans) resulting in the nephillim race. So there is a connection between the nephillim and the fallen angels originally.

I don't think we have enough information on the subject to know exactly what demons are. But I don't know of any place in the bible that calls the fallen angels - demons directly. On the other hand, it could be said the same for the nephillim... excepting that the bible does say that nephillim died in the flood....not so of the fallen angels who started the nephillim race.

Therefore, the beast that was and is not - in Revelation 17:8a would have been a nephillim most likely when that person was alive.

 

[Riberra]

Therefore, the beast that was and is not - in Revelation 17:8a would have been a nephillim most likely when that person was alive.

Revelation 9:11 tell us who is the name of the ANGEL [BEAST] who shall ascend out of the Bottomless Pit that the whole Earth Shall wonder whose names were not written in the Book of Life of the Lamb mentioned in Revelation 17:8.

Angel Abaddon is locked into the bottomless pit [along with many other [number unknown] fallen angels for a reason - ie...Genesis 6:2-4 the angels that sinned mentioned in 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6 .
Jude 1:6 (KJV)
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day

2 Peter 2:4
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

 

[Petros2015]

The unclean spirit of a devil, thus would be the disembodied spirit of a physically dead nephillim

Out there in left field braaa.

I think the poster is getting that from Book of Enoch or someone who got it from the Book of Enoch btw.

 

[Aseyesee]

The Bible tell us about the 3 Beasts [Revelation 13] only after Satan will be cast out of Heaven down to Earth with his [fallen] angels [Revelation 12:7] ....

The 3 Beasts will receive their powers from Satan .

The casting of Satan out of Heaven down to the Earth with his fallen angels will be assuredly the most amazing and SURPRISING event in the whole history of humanity, who have been conditioned with the movies and more recently by the sientific community to the possibilty of the existence of non human intelligence ...[astronomy/ discovery of planets similar to Earth--The Vatican about the possibility of "ET's" also created by God]

Christians might be surprised by the images they have of Jesus to, when he ends up looking more like a lamb that has seven eyes and seven horns, not to mention the whole sword thing that comes out of his mouth.

 

[Riberra]

I think the poster is getting that from Book of Enoch or someone who got it from the Book of Enoch btw.

Backed by:
Genesis 6:1-4 the Sons of God are the angels that sinned mentioned in 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6 .
Jude 1:6 (KJV)
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day

2 Peter 2:4
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;