What Does Atheism Profit Atheists?

[Dave Ellis]

After death experiences.

I'm aware of near death experiences, however I've never heard of an after death experience.

If you're referring to a near death experience, I don't see any reason to consider those as evidence of a god.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Where is German technology centred?

I would assume Germany, why?

 

[just a believing guy]

I would assume Germany, why?

We were talking about Gutenberg and his machine. Where was he located?

 

[Dave Ellis]

You can call yourself whatever you want.

If I say I'm a good person, but constantly break the law, and cause harm, does that make me a good person because I call myself a good person?

In other words, if you profess to believe in something, then do the exact opposite of what that something teaches you to do, then you don't really believe in it do you?
Belief meaning that you believe in the cause, not so much so that you believe it's real.

Though it's a good example of the beliefs do not determine the heart of the person.
You can say what you want about the Lord changing hearts and whatever, and I believe it for some people, some do legitimately change, I did.
But I have met a good amount of nasty Christians, rather I have met a lot of nasty people.
Of all religions, Atheist included.

So we can just agree that we all suck.

You see, that's the problem....

The original argument was atheists are bad because Hitler was an atheist.

We showed that was not the case, in that both Hitler and many of his followers considered themselves Christian.

So now it's bad people are bad regardless of their beliefs, and Christianity has nothing to do with it.

I'd agree bad people are bad regardless of their religious views. However, why did the person who put forward the argument think atheism was at fault, but Christianity couldn't be under the same circumstances? I see that argument posed on here every couple weeks, and it's getting a little tiresome.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Atheism is a lie!
Atheist are decieved by the ideology of Athiesm that is a lie and this is where cognitive dissonance comes into play.

People generally don't believe a lie unless they build enough contradictions that support a lie.

The lie of Atheism is that God does not exist.

Why are you lying about what atheists think?

 

[just a believing guy]

I'm aware of near death experiences, however I've never heard of an after death experience.

If you're referring to a near death experience, I don't see any reason to consider those as evidence of a god.

Yes, I thought of near death experience. Why don't you see any reason to consider those as evidence of God?

 

[Dave Ellis]

We were talking about Gutenberg and his machine. Where was he located?

Germany

However, I fail to see what divine inspiration has to do with Gutenberg's Printing Press?

 

[Shemjaza]

Yes, I thought of near death experience. Why don't you see any reason to consider those as evidence of God?

Because they aren't consistent or verifyable.

People have seen every religion and none.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Yes, I thought of near death experience. Why don't you see any reason to consider those as evidence of God?

Well, first off they're near death. Nobody has actually died, so that by definition means they haven't been to an afterlife.... they're still alive.

Also, people of different religions tend to have near death experiences in line with their religious views. Christians may see God or Jesus, Muslims will see Allah or Muhammad, a Viking may find himself at the gates of Valhalla.

We can also recreate near death experiences by stimulating certain parts of the brain.

In short, the evidence we have shows near death experiences are hallucinations brought on by an oxygen starved and dying brain. We have no reason to believe they're tied to anything outside of your own mind.

 

[bhsmte]

Because they aren't consistent or verifyable.

People have seen every religion and none.

And so called near death experiences, can be replicated, by simply stimulating part of the brain. Likely the same parts, that incur abnormal electrical activity, from lack of oxygen. Near death experiences also tend to correlate with the specific religious beliefs of the individual.

 

[just a believing guy]

Because they aren't consistent or verifyable.

People have seen every religion and none.

How are they not consistent and verifyable? If people cannot precicesely recall of their experience doesn't mean that these experiences aren't consistent.

None of the religions except for Christianity couldn't ''apply'' to these experiences.

 

[just a believing guy]

And so called near death experiences, can be replicated, by simply stimulating part of the brain. Likely the same parts, that incur abnormal electrical activity, from lack of oxygen. Near death experiences also tend to correlate with the specific religious beliefs of the individual.

How exactly is brain stimulated during the genuine near death experience?

 

[Shemjaza]

How are they not consistent and verifyable? If people cannot precicesely recall of their experience doesn't mean that these experiences aren't consistent.

A vague memory that only one person experienced with no physical evidence, while in a traumatic situation is the pinnacle of not varifyable.

And they are not consistent because people do not have consistent experiences. They report different things.

None of the religions except for Christianity couldn't ''apply'' to these experiences.

This doesn't make sense to me, can you explain what you mean?

 

[just a believing guy]

A vague memory that only one person experienced with no physical evidence, while in a traumatic situation is the pinnacle of not varifyable.

And they are not consistent because people do not have consistent experiences. They report different things.


This doesn't make sense to me, can you explain what you mean?

The soul by definition is non-materialistic, yet scientists are looking for physical evidence. Rather silly, wouldn't you say?
What do they report?

Only Christianity can explain the meaning of these experiences. Other religions can't. For example, Buddhism says that the soul goes directly into the Universe, Hinduism says that the soul goes directly into another life form, the Japanese religion is all about ancestors, etc.

 

[Shemjaza]

The soul by definition is non-materialistic, yet scientists are looking for physical evidence. Rather silly, wouldn't you say?
What do they report?

Only Christianity can explain the meaning of these experiences. Other religions can't. For example, Buddhism says that the soul goes directly into the Universe, Hinduism says that the soul goes directly into another life form, the Japanese religion is all about ancestors, etc.

How does Christianity explain near death experiences?

Because I don't see "only visiting" the afterlife as a thing mentioned in the Bible.

What about people who had visions of other religious figures?

What about people who saw nothing?

Can you explain how you tell the difference between a genuine adventure of a soul and a dream?

 

[just a believing guy]

How does Christianity explain near death experiences?

Because I don't see "only visiting" the afterlife as a thing mentioned in the Bible.

What about people who had visions of other religious figures?

What about people who saw nothing?

Can you explain how you tell the difference between a genuine adventure of a soul and a dream?

The white light and the love they feel while in it. Mind you, Christianity explains Heaven as seeing the face of God.

It is possible that some parts of the Bible have been written after such experiences.

Really? What religious figures? Would you name them?

People who saw nothing might have forgotten about their seeing it. Can you refute such a possibility?

I don't know the definition of a dream and never have heard that dream was being used to explain near death experiences.

 

[Skreeper]

The white light and the love they feel while in it. Mind you, Christianity explains Heaven as seeing the face of God.

It is possible that some parts of the Bible have been written after such experiences.

Really? What religious figures? Would you name them?

People who saw nothing might have forgotten about their seeing it. Can you refute such a possibility?

I don't know the definition of a dream and never have heard that dream was being used to explain near death experiences.

Do you generally trust a dying oxygen deprived brain of giving you reliable information?

 

[CrystalDragon]

Really? What religious figures? Would you name them?

Other people have had NDE's that don't involve Jesus, Mary, or God the Father, instead seeing figures from their own cultures, and they feel their experience was as real as any other NDE.

Near-Death Experiences and Hinduism

http://listverse.com/2016/01/31/10-surprising-near-death-experiences-that-may-change-your-beliefs/

 

[just a believing guy]

Do you generally trust a dying oxygen deprived brain of giving you reliable information?

Do you believe that there is no soul?

 

[Skreeper]

Do you believe that there is no soul?

I have seen no compelling evidence that shows that there is something like a 'soul'. And you didn't answer my question.