Jesus' commandments - opposed to His Fathers Commandments? - Really?

[1stcenturylady]

Hard to spoil something already so mixed up.

So many of , or the content of so many of your posts, are so confused,
they cannot be untangled properly here. Not in this thread. Not in one thread, I think, from what you have posted.

The sign of the covenant is important to understand WHY we are no longer under the old sign of the old covenant. Jesus was the center of the Ten Commandments by being the sign through the Sabbath. But we have Him in the flesh, and don't need a shadow any longer. The New Covenant is based on the blood of Jesus. His death and resurrection. His sacrifice for our sins. The sign of any covenant is chosen to represent WHAT the covenant is based on. In this case, His blood, and why in the Lord's Supper the wine is called the CUP OF THE NEW COVENANT. It is the sign of the New Covenant. Thanks for spoiling this for Bob Ryan. It was an explanation why I am no longer a member of his church, though I still love the people and him.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The sign of the covenant is important to understand WHY we are no longer under the old sign of the old covenant. Jesus was the center of the Ten Commandments by being the sign through the Sabbath. But we have Him in the flesh, and don't need a shadow any longer. The New Covenant is based on the blood of Jesus. His death and resurrection. His sacrifice for our sins. The sign of any covenant is chosen to represent WHAT the covenant is based on. In this case, His blood, and why in the Lord's Supper the wine is called the CUP OF THE NEW COVENANT. It is the sign of the New Covenant. Thanks for spoiling this for Bob Ryan. It was an explanation why I am no longer a member of his church, though I still love the people and him.

I'm not in his church, never was,
but his posts are more clearly in line with Scripture,
(not advocating him nor his church,btw, but test everything by Scripture, not by feelings or emotions or anything except Scripture)
and not nearly as mixed up as many others. Like I said, it is
hard to spoil something already so mixed up(like in this thread - too much is mixed up) , so confused,they cannot be untangled properly here. Not in this thread. Not in one thread, I think, from what all was posted. Perhaps return in a different thread, and smaller steps, one at a time.... not all tangled up.

 

[bugkiller]

I'm not in his church, never was,
but his posts are more clearly in line with Scripture,
(not advocating him nor his church,btw, but test everything by Scripture, not by feelings or emotions or anything except Scripture)
and not nearly as mixed up as many others. Like I said, it is
hard to spoil something already so mixed up(like in this thread - too much is mixed up) , so confused,they cannot be untangled properly here. Not in this thread. Not in one thread, I think, from what all was posted. Perhaps return in a different thread, and smaller steps, one at a time.... not all tangled up.

When Scripture is ignored it is impossible to do as you say.

For instance Bob does not want to talk about commandments when Jn 15:10 is brought up.

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

I'm not in his church, never was,
but his posts are more clearly in line with Scripture, .

And also notice that the debate about not downsizing/deleting the TEN Commandments finds the majority of even pro-Sunday scholars admitting to the obvious Bible detail - that all TEN of the TEN Commandments remain.

As you rightly note - the efforts to bend-twist this entire thing to "only this one denomination" or "only that one denomination" -- notices this glaringly obvious Bible detail -- completely fails in a close review of the Bible details and actual history.

 

[BobRyan]

The sign of the covenant is important to understand WHY we are no longer under the old sign of the old covenant.

As we probably both know - there is no such thing as a sign of the new Covenant being rebellion against the Ten Commandments. Therefore even for Christians - it is still wrong to take God's name in vain.

 

[BobRyan]

Yes, I gave what I THINK the sign of the New Covenant is. I'm asking Bob R what HE THINKS is the sign of the New Covenant. But, Jeff, you may answer also. What do YOU THINK the sign of our New Covenant is? Do you even know?

John says the "Sign" that we "Love God" with all our heart is keeping the Commandments of God.

I think we both knew that from 1 John 5:2-3. It has been posted in that regard a few times already.

 

[bugkiller]

As we probably both know - there is no such thing as a sign of the new Covenant being rebellion against the Ten Commandments. Therefore even for Christians - it is still wrong to take God's name in vain.

Sure beats David Letterman.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

John says the "Sign" that we "Love God" with all our heart is keeping the Commandments of God.

I think we both knew that from 1 John 5:2-3. It has been posted in that regard a few times already.

Yes that is correct. Please note there is no "ten" to be found in the chapter.

John identifies those commandments in chapter 3 -

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

bugkiller

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If someone runs a redlight, regardless if they have diplomatic immunity or not,
it is lawless/ lawbreaking.

If someone injects someone with poison, regardless if they have legal immunity o rnot, it is lawless/ lawbreaking.

If someone flies a drone over the capitol building (the white house), regardless if they have family ties, it is lawless/ lawbreaking

If someone takes the light out of a child's eyes, regardless if they /// regardless of anything at all!/// they will suffer for it, greatly suffer for it.

If someone sticks their foot out and trips a blind man, it is wrong.

If someone sits behind a desk and pushes a button, and 357 uninvolved civilian harmless men , women and children are blown up from their authority, it is wrong.

If someone takes 3000 trops to another land under contract/supposed aim/ to suppress rebellion,
and uses the action and others like it as a cover for moving 6 billion dollars in heroin ,
it is wrong,
and they will be held accountable for it.

If someone puts antifreeze in people's drinks, (for flavor!), it is sinful, and they will be held accountable for it.

If someone adds substances to the bread people are eating, that causes thyroid damage resulting in many health issues for life, it is sinful and they
will be held accountable for it.

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i.e. sin is rampant in society - there is no place it is not rampant and harming/ destroying people and their families and their lives.

Jesus came to set people free from sin and from the consequences of sin.

Jesus is ALIVE!

Jesus is the GOOD and PERFECT SHEPHERD, ALIVE ! Taking Care of His Sheep

who hear His Voice Today. Sheep Who Turn to Him, Come to Him, to be healed.

(on the broadcast news right now, 2017/05/09 912am, lies are being spread, televised , by the one world government to subject everyone to their power)

The "covenant" is virtually unknown in the world.

Jesus' Way, YHWH'S WAY, is opposed by most of the world.

The commandments are all broken by the world,

leading to widespread death(spiritual death) in a world full of lies instead.

 

[1stcenturylady]

As we probably both know - there is no such thing as a sign of the new Covenant being rebellion against the Ten Commandments. Therefore even for Christians - it is still wrong to take God's name in vain.

As I recall when I was studying in Adventist schools, I never learned about covenants, nor signs of covenants. I see you didn't either.

Bob, you know a lot about law, but not HOW we are not under the law.

 

[1stcenturylady]

If someone runs a redlight, regardless if they have diplomatic immunity or not,
it is lawless/ lawbreaking.

If someone injects someone with poison, regardless if they have legal immunity o rnot, it is lawless/ lawbreaking.

If someone flies a drone over the capitol building (the white house), regardless if they have family ties, it is lawless/ lawbreaking

If someone takes the light out of a child's eyes, regardless if they /// regardless of anything at all!/// they will suffer for it, greatly suffer for it.

If someone sticks their foot out and trips a blind man, it is wrong.

If someone sits behind a desk and pushes a button, and 357 uninvolved civilian harmless men , women and children are blown up from their authority, it is wrong.

If someone takes 3000 trops to another land under contract/supposed aim/ to suppress rebellion,
and uses the action and others like it as a cover for moving 6 billion dollars in heroin ,
it is wrong,
and they will be held accountable for it.

If someone puts antifreeze in people's drinks, (for flavor!), it is sinful, and they will be held accountable for it.

If someone adds substances to the bread people are eating, that causes thyroid damage resulting in many health issues for life, it is sinful and they
will be held accountable for it.

-----------------------------------------------------------------

i.e. sin is rampant in society - there is no place it is not rampant and harming/ destroying people and their families and their lives.

Jesus came to set people free from sin and from the consequences of sin.

Jesus is ALIVE!

Jesus is the GOOD and PERFECT SHEPHERD, ALIVE ! Taking Care of His Sheep

who hear His Voice Today. Sheep Who Turn to Him, Come to Him, to be healed.

(on the broadcast news right now, 2017/05/09 912am, lies are being spread, televised , by the one world government to subject everyone to their power)

The "covenant" is virtually unknown in the world.

Jesus' Way, YHWH'S WAY, is opposed by most of the world.

The commandments are all broken by the world,

leading to widespread death(spiritual death) in a world full of lies instead.

Nothing you spoke against is what ANY Christian does, even those who do not believe we are under the law.

You really don't get our new covenant either.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Nothing you spoke against is what ANY Christian does

Do you ?
If not, why not ?
You said, if memory serves me right,
that as a child you learned NOT to do what I spoke against - what every law abiding citizen speaks against.

Is that correct - like others, you learned to NOT DO what law abiding citizens speak against ? NOT to break the laws ?

Or did you learn as a child to break the laws ?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Do you ?
If not, why not ?
You said, if memory serves me right,
that as a child you learned NOT to do what I spoke against - what every law abiding citizen speaks against.

Is that correct - like others, you learned to NOT DO what law abiding citizens speak against ? NOT to break the laws ?

Or did you learn as a child to break the laws ?

As you know and I'm not against, sin is lawlessness. Right?

However, a Christian does not sin. How is that possible? The answer is in scripture.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

However, a Christian does not sin. How is that possible?

As you know, or as I know, the cure for L&&kemia was published world wide before 1955, and used successfully ever since then. (by the poor, rare, honest doctors).
When a rich "Christian" , doctor or hospitial or clinic, refuses to tell someone,
and
admits , as is the case for the last several years, that they won't tell because they
want the money , the vast amount of money, that they get by not telling,
are they not sinning ?
How is that possible ?

 

[1stcenturylady]

As you know, or as I know, the cure for L&&kemia was published world wide before 1955, and used successfully ever since then. (by the poor, rare, honest doctors).
When a rich "Christian" , doctor or hospitial or clinic, refuses to tell someone,
and
admits , as is the case for the last several years, that they won't tell because they
want the money , the vast amount of money, that they get by not telling,
are they not sinning ?
How is that possible ?

Of course they are sinning. The obsession for money is the root of all evil. So?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

When a rich "Christian" , doctor or hospitial or clinic, refuses to tell someone,

Of course they are sinning. The obsession for money is the root of all evil. So?

However, a Christian does not sin.

How is that possible then ?

 

[1stcenturylady]

How is that possible then ?

I asked you first.
LOL

 

[1stcenturylady]

How is that possible then ?

Not all doctors are Christians.

What is your point? And can you answer my question or not? How is it we are not under the law even though sin is lawlessness? And Christians do not sin?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Not all doctors are Christians.

What is your point? And can you answer my question or not? How is it we are not under the law even though sin is lawlessness? And Christians do not sin?

I have asked over 100 doctors who say they are Christian ,
including my own family physician (at the time he was over 50 years old) ,
if they would cure l&&kmia or any c&nc&r,
and all but 2 said no.
Actually, even those 2 would not , not in the usa, because of the pwerful lobby against it,
but they would give someone "help to "feel better" " (because this is legal).

Can a doctor be a Christian, and still refuse to help someone, like the 98 others?

Or to put it another way: If they obey God's Commands, they would tell the truth, right?
If they don't tell the truth, are they breaking the commandments ?

 

[1stcenturylady]

I have asked over 100 doctors who say they are Christian ,
including my own family physician (at the time he was over 50 years old) ,
if they would cure l&&kmia or any c&nc&r,
and all but 2 said no.
Actually, even those 2 would not , not in the usa, because of the pwerful lobby against it,
but they would give someone "help to "feel better" " (because this is legal).

Can a doctor be a Christian, and still refuse to help someone, like the 98 others?

No. If a Christian sins they are not a Christian. You cannot serve two masters.