Jesus' commandments - opposed to His Fathers Commandments? - Really?

[bloodygrace]

There may have been a time when the law was a schoolmaster to lead us to Christ but those days are over. Any return to the law in our day is always a death sentence to faith. Those who leave Christ and the gospel to go back there never come back to faith. They just don't.

 

[Bob S]

"Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 is NEW Testament not just old testament.
"Wages of sin is death" Rom 6:23 is NEW Testament not simply old testament
"He who breaks one breaks them all" James 2 -- is NEW Testament.

And of course the Jer 31:31-36 NEW Covenant is in the OLD Testament.

Sin is transgression of what law? You would have me believing sin is transgression of the old covenant, for Israel only, Sabbath. You would have me going to Hell for not observing a ritual that was never meant for anyone else except Israel. You do all of this because you have been fed a bunch of lies by your false prophet.
Torah was never given as a ticket to our Heavenly home, it was given to Israel only so that they might have a home on this Earth, Canaan. Again, observing Torah was never meant, by God, to be a ticket to Heaven.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

No need to listen to , without testing, anyone.
Internet search "TORAH" on site:www.biblegateway.com
to see
how often YHWH SPEAKS of TORAH IN THE NT.
Not just OT.
It is when people got far from TORAH, as it is written in YHWH'S WORD,
that sin abounds.

 

[BobRyan]

There may have been a time when the law was a schoolmaster to lead us to Christ but those days are over. Any return to the law in our day is always a death sentence to faith. Those who leave Christ and the gospel to go back there never come back to faith. They just don't.

Romans 6:23 -- after the cross.
"the wages of sin is death"

1 John 3:4 "after the cross"
"Sin IS transgression of the Law"

1 Cor 7:19 - "after the cross"
"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

Rev 14:12 "after the cross
the saints "KEEP the Commandments of God and their faith in Jesus".

The law is not another Gospel - another way of Salvation - rather it is "written on the heart and mind" in the case of New Covenant saints as scripture says in Jer 31:31-35

 

[BobRyan]

Sin is transgression of what law? You would have me believing sin is transgression of the old covenant, .

I would have you believe that it is "still wrong to take God's name in vain" -- still a sin to do that.

I would have you believe that the NEW Covenant is made with "the House of Israel and the house of Judah" Hebrews 8:6-10 and is the "ONE Gospel" of Gal 1:6-9 the only one there is.

 

[1stcenturylady]

I would have you believe that it is "still wrong to take God's name in vain" -- still a sin to do that.

I would have you believe that the NEW Covenant is made with "the House of Israel and the house of Judah" Hebrews 8:6-10 and is the "ONE Gospel" of Gal 1:6-9 the only one there is.

Hi Bob, pages ago (LOL) I asked the last question in the discussion between you and me. I told you that every covenant has a sign of the covenant. So, what was the sign of the New Covenant, and what did it represent, or what was it based on? Just getting back to our discussion.

 

[bloodygrace]

Hi Bob, pages ago (LOL) I asked the last question in the discussion between you and me. I told you that every covenant has a sign of the covenant. So, what was the sign of the New Covenant, and what did it represent, or what was it based on? Just getting back to our discussion.

The sign of the old covenant was physical circumcision.

The sign of the new covenant is the circumcision of Christ or conversion.

 

[1stcenturylady]

The sign of the old covenant was physical circumcision.

The sign of the new covenant is the circumcision of Christ or conversion.

Circumcision was the sign of a covenant, but not the old covenant. It was 430 years before the old covenant. The covenant between Abraham and God, and circumcision was the sign of that covenant.

The sign of the new covenant is not the circumcision of the heart. It is more tangible. I'm waiting for Bob Ryan's answer as this conversation is between him and me. But thanks for your input anyway.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Circumcision was the sign of a covenant, but not the old covenant. It was 430 years before the old covenant. The covenant between Abraham and God, and circumcision was the sign of that covenant.

The sign of the new covenant is not the circumcision of the heart. It is more tangible. I'm waiting for Bob Ryan's answer as this conversation is between him and me. But thanks for your input anyway.

Sorry but you posted this some time ago: (a lot of error that Bob addressed some time ago): Going thru it again will not correct the errors herein:

4th section: The only difference between not being under the law and being under the law is if you keep it or not. And through Jesus, we are able to keep it by walking in the Spirit. God said, "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” What is that based on, but the laws of God. If the law was dead, no one would be cast into the lake of fire. The only commandment of the 10 that is not binding is the Sabbath, only because it was the sign of the Old Covenant, because now we have a new sign, based on the blood of Jesus, the Cup of the New Testament, 1 Corinthians 11:25.

6th section: Love is one of the fruit of the Spirit. So, yes, the Spirit causes us to love with an agape love, not just philia, eros and storge.

8th section: Sorry, I'm not trying to make it hard to understand. Maybe if you read it a few times you would get it.

The end.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Sorry but you posted this some time ago: (a lot of error that Bob addressed some time ago): Going thru it again will not correct the errors herein:

No, Bob never answered my question to him, of what is the sign of the New Covenant.

What you copied and pasted, was a different subject.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

The new covenant has no days to remember as special. Choose what you like. What BR's church is doing is sinful. It is telling us we will not inherit our heavenly home unless we keep the Sabbath. That is totally false.

First, you make false statements ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
As noted by a different poster>>

I really do not think you understand. Not only was the Sabbath a sign it was also a law, a command. How can you write that the covenant with the Jews are now written on our hearts and the Sabbath is no longer applicable when the Sabbath was part of the covenant? Lady you have some tall splainin to do if you want to convince me you have the right belief system.

THen you make other commandments binding, as if, or you are telling us we will not inherit our heavenly home unless we keep the other 9 commandments >>>

The only commandment of the 10 that is not binding is the Sabbath, only because it was the sign of the Old Covenant, because now we have a new sign, based on the blood of Jesus, the Cup of the New Testament, 1 Corinthians 11:25.

And note that you identify the new sign in this quote,
that you are questioning about now,
and there are a lot of confusing issues not resolved in your own posts.

 

[bugkiller]

Go ahead and argue against Scripture all you like. I won't stop you.

What do you think a doer of the law is?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

THANK YOU !

Kinda sorta the LAW, the TORAH, is a GOOD TUTOR, leading to LIFE, leading to CHRIST, just as TORAH says.... just as JESUS SAYS.

I am led by the Holy Spirit - Gal 5:18.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Romans 6:23 -- after the cross.
"the wages of sin is death"

1 John 3:4 "after the cross"
"Sin IS transgression of the Law"

1 Cor 7:19 - "after the cross"
"what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

Rev 14:12 "after the cross
the saints "KEEP the Commandments of God and their faith in Jesus".

The law is not another Gospel - another way of Salvation - rather it is "written on the heart and mind" in the case of New Covenant saints as scripture says in Jer 31:31-35

Nope!!!!!

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I would have you believe that it is "still wrong to take God's name in vain" -- still a sin to do that.

I would have you believe that the NEW Covenant is made with "the House of Israel and the house of Judah" Hebrews 8:6-10 and is the "ONE Gospel" of Gal 1:6-9 the only one there is.

Which tribe of Israel are you a part of by blood?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

First, you make false statements ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
As noted by a different poster>>

THen you make other commandments binding, as if, or you are telling us we will not inherit our heavenly home unless we keep the other 9 commandments >>>


And note that you identify the new sign in this quote,
that you are questioning about now,
and there are a lot of confusing issues not resolved in your own posts.

Who do you think Bob S is? I know him as what is called a former.

bugkiller

 

[1stcenturylady]

First, you make false statements ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
As noted by a different poster>>

THen you make other commandments binding, as if, or you are telling us we will not inherit our heavenly home unless we keep the other 9 commandments >>>


And note that you identify the new sign in this quote,
that you are questioning about now,
and there are a lot of confusing issues not resolved in your own posts.

Yes, I gave what I THINK the sign of the New Covenant is. I'm asking Bob R what HE THINKS is the sign of the New Covenant. But, Jeff, you may answer also. What do YOU THINK the sign of our New Covenant is? Do you even know?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yes, I gave what I THINK the sign of the New Covenant is. I'm asking Bob R what HE THINKS is the sign of the New Covenant. But, Jeff, you may answer also. What do YOU THINK the sign of our New Covenant is? Do you even know?

Personally, from what I've read in this thread and the content of posts ,
I don't see this thread nor direction helping anyone at all.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Personally, from what I've read in this thread and the content of posts ,
I don't see this thread nor direction helping anyone at all.

So you don't know what the sign of the New Covenant is. Simple question. Simple answer if you know. Or do you just like spoiling other people's conversations by butting in?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

So you don't know what the sign of the New Covenant is. Simple question. Simple answer if you know. Or do you just like spoiling other people's conversations by butting in?

Hard to spoil something already so mixed up.

So many of , or the content of so many of your posts, are so confused,
they cannot be untangled properly here. Not in this thread. Not in one thread, I think, from what you have posted.