Jesus' commandments - opposed to His Fathers Commandments? - Really?

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Is the Bible our example? Of course !

How many times in the Bible, the Word of YHWH,

did YHWH BLESS someone for disobeying Him ?

How many times in the BIBLE, TORAH, PROPHETS, PSALMS AND NT,

did YHWH BLESS someone for obeying Him ? (hundreds/ maybe thousands? or even hundreds of thousands of people)

What warning(s) does YHWH always give to EVERYONE who tells and teaches other to disobey Him ?

What blessing(s) dies YHWH always give to EVERYONE who teaches others the right way to live ?

How many times in all Scripture did YHWH show His People how to not have any of the sicknesses come upon them
that came upon all the people around them ?

 

[1stcenturylady]

I think most here will agree that "do not take God's name in vain" is also included in the "not mentioned by John yet-still-valid" list.

So it is no wonder that Paul affirms the 5th commandment as still binding on all the saints in Ephesians 6:2 as another "not mentioned by John yet still valid commandment" -- that we all know about and agree to.

What is more the way Paul puts it in Eph 6:2 the entire unit of TEN - is still valid.

Even though no NT writer mentions the command to not take God's name in vain -- it is still valid.
Even though no NT writer mentions the command to "Love God with all your heart" outside of the Gospel accounts -- which were all before the cross.... yet it still is valid.

I think we have seen this same point a few dozen times by now so you are well aware of my POV on that , I was just posting it for any new readers to this forum.

Don't you see that if you walk in the Spirit you won't be breaking ANY moral commandment, even if you'd never memorized the OT commandments?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Don't you see that if you walk in the Spirit you won't be breaking ANY moral commandment, even if you'd never memorized** the OT commandments?

Show please this word, memorized** , in Scripture .....
or
in any post in this thread,
or
possibly in any post at all on this site.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Show please this word, memorized** , in Scripture .....
or
in any post in this thread,
or
possibly in any post at all on this site.

It's not, but why the "attitude"? That's not nice. I memorized them as a child. I can still recite them word for word (KJV). That was common practice in my circle of friends and acquaintances. How about you. Can you recite them? Since how old?

 

[BobRyan]

Don't you see that if you walk in the Spirit you won't be breaking ANY moral commandment, even if you'd never memorized the OT commandments?

In your POV - is the Holy Spirit against the Bible or in favor of it??

 

[1stcenturylady]

In your POV - is the Holy Spirit against the Bible or in favor of it??

It is of the New Covenant and by what mean we keep the moral laws of God. But more than that, by the fruit of the Spirit, especially, LOVE. We keep them easily in our new nature.

Bob, do you know what the sign of the New Covenant is? Did you know that the Sabbath was the sign of the Old Covenant?

 

[BobRyan]

Bob, do you know what the sign of the New Covenant is?

Let's "read" the New Covenant and "see".

We can find it in Jeremiah 31:31-33

Shall I quote it or would you like to?

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: ↑
In your POV - is the Holy Spirit against the Bible or in favor of it??

It is of the New Covenant and by what mean we keep the moral laws of God.

Is that how you see scripture - since "all scripture is given by the inspiration from God" ? 2 Tim 3:16

And since "holy men of old moved by the Holy Spirit - spoke from God" 2 Peter 1:19-21

 

[bloodygrace]

I can never tell when your false accusations mean to reject or accept the scripture "do not take God's name in vain" Exodus 20:7.

Please be specific if possible. I will be able to understand your point better that way.

You take God's name in vein in your mind before it ever come's out of the mouth. More works religion from the hard workers. Even Jesus knew that hate comes before murder and lust comes before adultery.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Let's "read" the New Covenant and "see".

We can find it in Jeremiah 31:31-33

Shall I quote it or would you like to?

What is the New Covenant based on? Maybe that will help you know what the sign is.

 

[1stcenturylady]

BobRyan said: ↑
In your POV - is the Holy Spirit against the Bible or in favor of it??



Is that how you see scripture - since "all scripture is given by the inspiration from God" ? 2 Tim 3:16

And since "holy men of old moved by the Holy Spirit - spoke from God" 2 Peter 1:19-21

What is the royal law of God?

 

[BobRyan]

What is the royal law of God?

The one that "includes" -- "Do not take God's name in vain" Exodus 20:7 and includes "Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5

 

[BobRyan]

Let's "read" the New Covenant and "see".

We can find it in Jeremiah 31:31-33

Shall I quote it or would you like to?

What is the New Covenant based on? Maybe that will help you know what the sign is.

I was hoping you would find it acceptable to read and quote the New Covenant when discussing it.

Is it ok if we do that?

 

[1stcenturylady]

The one that "includes" -- "Do not take God's name in vain" Exodus 20:7 and includes "Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5

No, it is "love your neighbor as yourself."

 

[1stcenturylady]

I was hoping you would find it acceptable to read and quote the New Covenant when discussing it.

Is it ok if we do that?

Sure. How are the laws written on our hearts? You go first...

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: ↑
The one that "includes" -- "Do not take God's name in vain" Exodus 20:7 and includes "Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5

No, it is "love your neighbor as yourself."

Either-or

Or Both-AND

I choose "Both-AND"

Because that is also where James points out that what is included is dependent on "HE who Said" -- pointing that the "HE said" ALL of the LAW and thus to break on commandment is to break them all.

That is what we call the "Both AND" model.

Since we are talking about James 2 -- would you like to quote it or shall I?

 

[BobRyan]

Sure. How are the laws written on our hearts? You go first...

Romans 2 says the Holy Spirit does that.

"you go first" -- you mean you want me to quote the New Covenant first?

 

[1stcenturylady]

BobRyan said: ↑
The one that "includes" -- "Do not take God's name in vain" Exodus 20:7 and includes "Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5



Either-or

Or Both-AND

I choose "Both-AND"

Because that is also where James points out that what is included is dependent on "HE who Said" -- pointing that the "HE said" ALL of the LAW and thus to break on commandment is to break them all.

That is what we call the "Both AND" model.

Since we are talking about James 2 -- would you like to quote it or shall I?

Where in the Ten Commandments does it say, if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It's not, but why the "attitude"? That's not nice. I memorized them as a child. I can still recite them word for word (KJV). That was common practice in my circle of friends and acquaintances. How about you. Can you recite them? Since how old?

Jesus put it this way, (and later for His followers too) >>
Matthew 11:6 ►
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
Blessed is anyone who does not stumble on account of me."

New Living Translation
And tell him, 'God blesses those who do not turn away because of me.'"

English Standard Version
And blessed is the one who is not offended by me.”

Berean Study Bible
Blessed is the one who does not fall away on account of Me."

from Matthew 11:6 Blessed is anyone who does not stumble on account of me."

 

[1stcenturylady]

Romans 2 says the Holy Spirit does that.

"you go first" -- you mean you want me to quote the New Covenant first?

I agree. The Holy Spirit does that.