Jesus' commandments - opposed to His Fathers Commandments? - Really?

[bugkiller]

I'm not referring to you here, please believe me.
But you have polar extremes.
On the one side you have people who state if you commit any sin you are placed in an unsaved state.
At the other extreme, you have people who say the flesh/ body cannot change, and to suggest it needs to is to preach a works based gospel. They only focus on a righteousness of faith in Christ, not overcoming sin. They then relate to the man described Is rom7:14-24 so believe he is speaking of his whole Christian life

If one's focus is on Jesus they will over come sin.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

No, but the one issued on Mt. Sinai is based on it, but through your own power. The one by Jesus is also based on the royal law, but we are given supernatural power to keep it.

Beg your pardon. There may be some similarities for sure. But then you are talking about two different sets of laws. The NT/NC clearly shows no one is subject to the law which is the law issued at Sinai. You must show that the 4th specifically is in the other law you talk about to have a valid point. I can point you to a NC commandment (law) showing it (NC) is based on love. You can not show such a thing for the law (OC) issued at Sinai.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

There is trash in any part of Christianity. Satan works hard to make that so. That is why I am not a denominationalist, but I am Spirit-filled, am dead to sin, walk in the Spirit, and have many of the gifts of the Spirit, and am working on cultivating more an more fruit. What about you?

How is what I said about 1 John 1:8 and Romans 7 have anything to do with Pentecostals or any other Charismatic? They don't teach it, I do.

Does a tree work at bearing fruit?

I do not think you have any idea what I meant and I will not try to explain it to you. Sorry.

bugkiller

 

[1stcenturylady]

Beg your pardon. There may be some similarities for sure. But then you are talking about two different sets of laws. The NT/NC clearly shows no one is subject to the law which is the law issued at Sinai. You must show that the 4th specifically is in the other law you talk about to have a valid point. I can point you to a NC commandment (law) showing it (NC) is based on love. You can not show such a thing for the law (OC) issued at Sinai.

bugkiller

1 John 3:23

 

[bugkiller]

I agree, but that's not what he seems to believe. The laws on your heart are still laws which he doesn't think he needs to keep.

I take it you know what laws are written on another's heart. Would you care to cite some of them? I am most curious.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

1 John 3:23

Kool I often post the same here at CF. Care to give some specifics?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

That's fine. You aren't a very good teacher anyway.

I would love to teach. There are some who are unteachable and a waste of time. For me to give details and teach what I meant would derail the thread. It also is probably considered against the rules. So you will have to discover the truth for yourself. Took me 40 years. BTW the last charismatic church I called on their trash doctrine they practiced to try and impress me, closed their doors permanently after I left.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

If you weren't so full of hate and unwarranted arrogance so as to have fruit, I would, but as you are right now, it is a waste of time.

Yeah I know love is saying yes. Sorry but that has never made a sale in my life.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

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bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

I know the Bible and I know that 1 John 1:8 and Romans 7 are not describing Christians. Many liberal Christians see themselves and their own struggles and relate to these verses, thus justifying their own struggle with sin. I don't know if that applies to you or not, but it has appeared in my experience for years that whoever believes 1 John 1:8 is about Christians ALSO believes Romans 7 is too; and those like me who believe 1 John 1:7 and 3:4-10 believes in Romans 6 and 8:9 and knows Romans 7 in context is about those who were under the law in their own strength. But praise God we are no longer in the flesh but in the Spirit, IF we have the Spirit. And those who don't have the Spirit do not belong to Christ. We are dead to sin.

I expect from your remark about me that you believe grace is "unmerited favor" and that the blood of Jesus covers our past, present, and future sins. Am I right?

Paul used himself to convey a truth in Romans 7. Paul was a Christian at the writing of Romans. There is no indication in the chapter he is referring to his life as Saul.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Neither of you have a clue what I believe, but this thread has regressed to kindergarten antics, so you both are going on ignore.

Yeah and most likely on report too. Thanks for your participation in the goings on.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

That's my words anything else you want to know about let me know.
If every famous pastor offered me a book they had written I'd refuse, I see no point in doing that much recycling.

Exactly

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Do you know who else is an accuser of the brethren?

"He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. 10 He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him. 11 But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes."

Yeah

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Are you and bugkiller family?

No, not in the sense you intend for us to understand.

bugkiller

 

[FreeinChrist]

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[mnorian]

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[BobRyan]

Since this appears to be a post that is actually on the topic of the thread --

Your sins and lawless deeds can only be remembered no more IF the law God desires you to keep has firstly been written on your mind and placed on your heart.
The licence to sin under grace must firstly be removed.
God is not stupid. He did not make a covenant that gave anyone a licence to sin by Christ being their saviour from sin.
Note the following order of events:

I will write my laws in their minds
And place them on their hearts
THEN HE ADDS
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more
Heb10:16&17

Amen!

 

[BobRyan]

1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point their guilty of breaking all of it.
1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
Love covers many sins.

Some good quotes for sure.

1 John 2:1 "These things I write to you that you sin not"
1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the Law"
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"
Romans 8:4-9 the wicked are at war with the Law of God - and so they "do not submit to the Law of God - neither indeed can they" and this is contrasted with the case of the saints in Romans 8.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Some good quotes for sure.

1 John 2:1 "These things I write to you that you sin not"
1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the Law"
1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"
Romans 8:4-9 the wicked are at war with the Law of God - and so they "do not submit to the Law of God - neither indeed can they" and this is contrasted with the case of the saints in Romans 8.

Yes, Bob, and John tells us what he is referring to by commandments in 1 John 3:23, "And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment." John also wrote Revelation 14:12, so we know what he is referring there as well.

 

[BobRyan]

Yes, Bob, and John tells us what he is referring to by commandments in 1 John 3:23, "And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment." John also wrote Revelation 14:12, so we know what he is referring there as well.

I think most here will agree that "do not take God's name in vain" is also included in the "not mentioned by John yet-still-valid" list.

So it is no wonder that Paul affirms the 5th commandment as still binding on all the saints in Ephesians 6:2 as another "not mentioned by John yet still valid commandment" -- that we all know about and agree to.

What is more the way Paul puts it in Eph 6:2 the entire unit of TEN - is still valid.

Even though no NT writer mentions the command to not take God's name in vain -- it is still valid.
Even though no NT writer mentions the command to "Love God with all your heart" outside of the Gospel accounts -- which were all before the cross.... yet it still is valid.

I think we have seen this same point a few dozen times by now so you are well aware of my POV on that , I was just posting it for any new readers to this forum.