Jesus' commandments - opposed to His Fathers Commandments? - Really?

[stuart lawrence]

Your sins and lawless deeds can only be remembered no more IF the law God desires you to keep has firstly been written on your mind and placed on your heart.
The licence to sin under grace must firstly be removed.
God is not stupid. He did not make a covenant that gave anyone a licence to sin by Christ being their saviour from sin.
Note the following order of events:

I will write my laws in their minds
And place them on their hearts
THEN HE ADDS
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more
Heb10:16&17

 

[disciple1]

Your sins and lawless deeds can only be remembered no more IF the law God desires you to keep has firstly been written on your mind and placed on your heart.
The licence to sin under grace must firstly be removed.
God is not stupid. He did not make a covenant that gave anyone a licence to sin by Christ being their saviour from sin.
Note the following order of events:

I will write my laws in their minds
And place them on their hearts
THEN HE ADDS
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more
Heb10:16&17

1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point their guilty of breaking all of it.
1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
Love covers many sins.

 

[stuart lawrence]

1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point their guilty of breaking all of it.
1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
Love covers many sins.

Great verses. They are underlined in my bible

 

[stuart lawrence]

1 John chapter 1 verse 8
If anyone claims to be without sin they deceive themselves and the truth is not in them.
James chapter 2 verse 10
If anyone keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point their guilty of breaking all of it.
1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
Love covers many sins.

But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself heb9:26

Sin unto condemnation was done away with for those who have a saviour from their sins.
Sin itself was not done away with.
Their sins and lawless deeds will be remembered no more( in respect of having the power to condemn) for those who have a saviour from their sins

 

[bugkiller]

Your sins and lawless deeds can only be remembered no more IF the law God desires you to keep has firstly been written on your mind and placed on your heart.
The licence to sin under grace must firstly be removed.
God is not stupid. He did not make a covenant that gave anyone a licence to sin by Christ being their saviour from sin.
Note the following order of events:

I will write my laws in their minds
And place them on their hearts
THEN HE ADDS
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more
Heb10:16&17

There is no such thing as license to sin.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

It is you and klutedavid who claimed the greater knowledge, not me, so I was not the one being proud.
Something for you to consider, if you can
The penalty of sin brings great fear of sin, and fear of sin brings much allurement to sin

I made no claim to greater knowledge. You claimed endorsement of your idea. I claimed no endorsement. You thereby claimed greater knowledge IMHO.

I have no fear of sin. I have no respect for sin.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Don't you know what the royal law is? It is love. Do you object? "Love God with all your heart, soul and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself." Even John says what laws we are under and they are about the same, except the "love God" is "believe in His Son Jesus Christ". 1 John 3:23. Read it. John also in the same chapter calls sin lawlessness. This is what he is talking about. If you do these laws, you don't have to worry about committing murder or the old laws now do you? If anyone doesn't believe we are even under these laws John speaks of then that is a perversion of grace.

Now you define law with an adjective. Yes I know what the royal law is. It is not the law issued at Sinai.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Wow, that was harsh. What exactly is charismatic trash?

There is lots of bad/wrong doctrine floating around in those circles. Bed doctrine is what I called charismatic trash. No I am not going to derail this thread with a discussion on charismatic trash or practice. That would be about like nailing down water.

bugkiller

 

[stuart lawrence]

I made no claim to greater knowledge. You claimed endorsement of your idea. I claimed no endorsement. You thereby claimed greater knowledge IMHO.

I have no fear of sin. I have no respect for sin.

bugkiller

I'm placing you on ignore.

 

[stuart lawrence]

There is lots of bad/wrong doctrine floating around in those circles. Bed doctrine is what I called charismatic trash. No I am not going to derail this thread with a discussion on charismatic trash or practice. That would be about like nailing down water.

bugkiller

There's a lot of bad wrong doctrine floating around here also, goodbye

 

[1stcenturylady]

Keeping your eyes on Jesus. You know the song they teach to five year olds that blows Adventism out of the water!

Turn Your Eyes Upon Jesus? I learned that as an SDA. Also, Trust and Obey, and Abide With Me. They are Christians you are being accusing.

 

[1stcenturylady]

You have been born again. The law God desires you to keep is placed on your heart. If you wilfully transgress what is in your heart your conscience must be seered and you will have no rest, no peace until you come before your Father in heaven and tell him you are sorry for your folly. And you will come before him, for your seered conscience will be too much to bear.

I agree, but that's not what he seems to believe. The laws on your heart are still laws which he doesn't think he needs to keep.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I agree, but that's not what he seems to believe. The laws on your heart are still laws which he doesn't think he needs to keep.

I'm not referring to you here, please believe me.
But you have polar extremes.
On the one side you have people who state if you commit any sin you are placed in an unsaved state.
At the other extreme, you have people who say the flesh/ body cannot change, and to suggest it needs to is to preach a works based gospel. They only focus on a righteousness of faith in Christ, not overcoming sin. They then relate to the man described Is rom7:14-24 so believe he is speaking of his whole Christian life

 

[1stcenturylady]

Now you define law with an adjective. Yes I know what the royal law is. It is not the law issued at Sinai.

bugkiller

No, but the one issued on Mt. Sinai is based on it, but through your own power. The one by Jesus is also based on the royal law, but we are given supernatural power to keep it.

 

[1stcenturylady]

There is lots of bad/wrong doctrine floating around in those circles. Bed doctrine is what I called charismatic trash. No I am not going to derail this thread with a discussion on charismatic trash or practice. That would be about like nailing down water.

bugkiller

There is trash in any part of Christianity. Satan works hard to make that so. That is why I am not a denominationalist, but I am Spirit-filled, am dead to sin, walk in the Spirit, and have many of the gifts of the Spirit, and am working on cultivating more an more fruit. What about you?

How is what I said about 1 John 1:8 and Romans 7 have anything to do with Pentecostals or any other Charismatic? They don't teach it, I do.

 

[stuart lawrence]

There is trash in any part of Christianity. Satan works hard to make that so. That is why I am not a denominationalist, but I am Spirit-filled, am dead to sin, walk in the Spirit, and have many of the gifts of the Spirit, and am working on cultivating more an more fruit. What about you?

Are your books published?

 

[1stcenturylady]

I'm not referring to you here, please believe me.
But you have polar extremes.
On the one side you have people who state if you commit any sin you are placed in an unsaved state.
At the other extreme, you have people who say the flesh/ body cannot change, and to suggest it needs to is to preach a works based gospel. They only focus on a righteousness of faith in Christ, not overcoming sin. They then relate to the man described Is rom7:14-24 so believe he is speaking of his whole Christian life

What I believe has been unlike any denomination I know. I don't know a soul who agrees with me 100%. But because of my marriage I told you about, I tend to respect those who have an intense fear of the Lord. But even they and I do not agree on every point. What I stay away from are those with the more Gnostic perverted grace. Do you know about them? I've posted a lot about them already. Revelation 2 to the churches of Ephesus and Pergamos talks about the sin of the Nicolaitans. Some scholars have tried to understand the sin by taking the name apart and have come up with power over the laity. But, in reality it is based on a man named Nicholas, the leader of an extreme grace group. They were Gnostics also. To show the power of grace and the forgiveness of EVERY sin you make now or in the future, he would give his wife to all the men to be raped by them. They in turn would do the same with their wives. They wanted to show that there was nothing they could do that would not be covered by the blood of Jesus. The Ephesians fought them (they are the first century church and Paul spoke against it by saying "Should we now sin so grace may abound? God forbid?" But the Pergamos church, the era after the Christian persecution of the martyrs HOLDS to that doctrine of perverted grace of the Nicolaitans. The Gnostics did not believe Jesus came in the flesh (1 John 4) only spirit, thus sin could only be performed in the spirit, but any act committed in the flesh (like rape) was not a sin at all. Thus, they said they had never sinned. But, they thought they were being very spiritual about it and had a great relationship with God. What they were teaching is what John was speaking against in 1 John 1:6, 1 John 1:8, and 1 John 1:10.

The truth is all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. That has been the case since Adam sinned. But Jesus has made us dead to sin, and given us His own power in the form of the Holy Spirit to strengthen our character, and will help us overcome every sin if we don't quench Him.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Are your books published?

One, I'm working on two others.

 

[stuart lawrence]

One, I'm working on two others.

Has the book done well with sales?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Has the book done well with sales?

No, just got good reviews