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[MehGuy]

What is supernatural? Is it just another state of the natural?

I'd say anything that has a logic to it, is natural. Or else we're just talking about gibberish and "magic".

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

If a God came down, I might think it was a hallucination. Would depend how long this experience lasted. In time I think people would warm up to the idea of it being real.

You have to think its a hallucination because anything else is not possible under your world view. As far as warming up to the idea, I still think scientists and atheists would do everything they can to avoid the simplest explanation which is God is among them. They may claim hes just an alien or something but would never say hes God. Theres just no convincing an atheist through physical natural means. The only way an atheist could ever believe in God is through a personal experience that they find more compelling than there not being a God and most don't get that even.

 

[MehGuy]

You have to think its a hallucination because anything else is not possible under your world view. As far as warming up to the idea, I still think scientists and atheists would do everything they can to avoid the simplest explanation which is God is among them. They may claim hes just an alien or something but would never say hes God. Theres just no convincing an atheist through physical natural means. The only way an atheist could ever believe in God is through a personal experience that they find more compelling than there not being a God and most don't get that even.

Depends one what supernatural means. I guess I don't necessarily see it as against "my world-view". Most atheists don't have some agenda to not believe in a God. Most just came to lack a belief in a God because of a lack of evidence. We have nothing to grasp on. Doesn't mean we prefer it that way, and would be sorry if a God did actually exist.

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

Or else we're just talking about gibberish and "magic".

God can be nothing more than magic under the atheist world view. An atheist can make no sense of God even if he saw him face to face, the last conclusion any atheist would make if they saw God face to face is that they saw God. God is just childs play to an atheist and is not even considered under any circumstance.

 

[MehGuy]

God can be nothing more than magic under the atheist world view. An atheist can make no sense of God even if he saw him face to face, the last conclusion any atheist would make if they saw God face to face is that they saw God. God is just childs play to an atheist and is not even considered under any circumstance.

I don't see why that is..

I'm just saying if something doesn't have some kind of structure, it's gibberish. If a God does exist he'll have to have some sort of order to him. Even if it's something that is totally alien to our universe. I don't see why that's against the "atheist world-view".

Following that.. one must ask why one naturalness is more immaculate than the other..

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

Depends one what supernatural means. I guess I don't necessarily see it as against "my world-view". Most atheists don't have some agenda to not believe in a God. Most just came to lack a belief in a God because of a lack of evidence. We have nothing to grasp on. Doesn't mean we prefer it that way, and would be sorry if a God did actually exist.

Well heres the definition:
1.
(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

I don't think atheists have any agenda but I do not think that physical evidence of any kind would convince them. Because they will pass it all off as a hallucination and well when one won't even believe their physical reality because it goes against their atheism then theres no way for them to believe in God under any circumstance.

 

[MehGuy]

Well heres the definition:
1.
(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding

Beyond current scientific understanding?

or the laws of nature.

Or we might modify our understanding of the laws of nature. I do know some scientists do not like how many other scientists assume the laws of nature are the same in every area of the universe.

I don't think atheists have any agenda but I do not think that physical evidence of any kind would convince them. Because they will pass it all off as a hallucination and well when one won't even believe their physical reality because it goes against their atheism then theres no way for them to believe in God under any circumstance.

Again, I think it depends on the time being talked about. If God just hangs around us for years most people will come to believe it. If it lasts a few minutes many would probably be more skeptical.

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

Again, I think it depends on the time being talked about. If God just hangs around us for years most people will come to believe it. If it lasts a few minutes many would probably be more skeptical.

Even if it were years, there would be way too many rationalizations for what they are actually experiencing that don't include actually believing that is really God they are seeing or talking to. If God came down here for years he could plead his case do all kinds of miracles raise the dead, this wouldn't matter, they would just call him some kind of extra terrestrial and not God.

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

There comes a point where either a person has a heart for God or not. No physical experience no matter how long can give a man a heart for God. Its an internal issue, and an external experience won't change whats inside of your heart.

 

[MehGuy]

Even if it were years, there would be way too many rationalizations for what they are actually experiencing that don't include actually believing that is really God they are seeing or talking to. If God came down here for years he could plead his case do all kinds of miracles raise the dead, this wouldn't matter, they would just call him some kind of extra terrestrial and not God.

Well I can say for myself, if he were here for "years" I'd most likely come to believe it. Lol.

 

[MehGuy]

There comes a point where either a person has a heart for God or not. No physical experience no matter how long can give a man a heart for God. Its an internal issue, and an external experience won't change whats inside of your heart.

Is heart a code-word for an emotional state?

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

Well I can say for myself, if he were here for "years" I'd most likely come to believe it. Lol.

Most likely is far from certain and well you have to be skeptical of it right. When atheists ask for proof, they are talking about some kind of physical evidence. Well if such a physical experience can only leave you only most likely to believe it, well there aint nothing that can make you believe.

 

[MehGuy]

Most likely is far from certain and well you have to be skeptical of it right. When atheists ask for proof, they are talking about some kind of physical evidence. Well if such a physical experience can only leave you only most likely to believe it, well there aint nothing that can make you believe.

I guess.

Although I think it's similar to whether or not we live in a "matrix." It's possible, yet at the end of the day the mind just doesn't take it seriously.

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

Is heart a code-word for an emotional state?

Its more than an emotional state. If my heart for God was merely an emotional state then when i'm angry or sad my faith in him would change, probably to not believing. But when speaking of ones heart we are talking about many things including ones psychology, ones beliefs, personal experiences and willingness to believe in a God all wrapped up into a neat word we call heart.

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

Meh guy rate your willingness to believe in God on a scale of 1-10 with 1 being you aren't willing ever and 10 being you are more than willing but waiting for him to come into your life. I think some atheists aren't nearly as willing to believe in God as they try to claim by saying well they are just agnostic atheists. I think you could easily flip this question around and ask me how willing am I not to believe in God. I would say I am more than willing not to believe in God if it came to that. But how willing are you to believe in an actual God.

 

[MehGuy]

Its more than an emotional state. If my heart for God was merely an emotional state then when i'm angry or sad my faith in him would change, probably to not believing. But when speaking of ones heart we are talking about many things including ones psychology, ones beliefs, personal experiences and willingness to believe in a God all wrapped up into a neat word we call heart.

Maybe.

I used to be a Christian and have spent a lot of time analyzing my emotional state. To me spirituality seems to largely consist of a diet of emotional empathy. Which strangely differs between his and her's personal emotional tastes.. lol.

 

[MehGuy]

Meh guy rate your willingness to believe in God on a scale of 1-10 with 1 being you aren't willing ever and 10 being you are more than willing but waiting for him to come into your life.

When it comes to wanting to know the truth, 10. I really have no desire to discredit the existence of God.

I think some atheists aren't nearly as willing to believe in God as they try to claim by saying well they are just agnostic atheists.

Depends on the age. A lot of teenage atheists maybe.. when you grow up though, you tend to lose care one way or the other. Again most atheists do not have some anti-god agenda.

I think you could easily flip this question around and ask me how willing am I not to believe in God. I would say I am more than willing not to believe in God if it came to that. But how willing are you to believe in an actual God.

What do you mean by "not believe in a God"? I certainly do not want you to make a knowledge claim. I'd just like people to be as honest and skeptical as possible.

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

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I'd just like people to be as honest and skeptical as possible.

What reason do you have to believe I am not being honest or other believers aren't being honest. Were you yourself being dishonest when you were a christian?

 

[MehGuy]

What reason do you have to believe I am not being honest or other believers aren't being honest. Were you yourself being dishonest when you were a christian?

For me.. yeah there was some dishonesty on my part.. at least when I came of age.

 

[ImAllLikeOkWaitWat]

For me.. yeah there was some dishonesty on my part.. at least when I came of age.

I think thats perfectly fine, I find a lot of atheists who use to be christians found themselves faking their Christianity for whatever reason. But I definitely don't think anyone should spend their whole life believing something just because. But I also do think there are some people who genuinely believe.