Why seek "God"?

[toLiJC]

A deeper communion with Christ.

what do you call deeper communion with Christ?!, Christ and His true disciples/followers saved many people effectively/perfectly, They were not just communicators with God

Christian theology for one.

and is there a result of that mystical activity such as the perfect results of the efforts/deeds Jesus and His true disciples had made/done in order to save as many people as possible?!, is there effectiveness/efficiency/performance for true salvation in that mysticism at all?!, because God won't reward people for having been/being mystics, but He will reward the ones that have really saved others in His Son, Jesus Christ, i.e. if the effect of their spiritual activity has been the same as the effect of the spiritual activity of Jesus and His true disciples presented in the Bible was two millennia ago - if you were an owner of a clinic, wouldn't you reward the doctors and surgeons working in your clinic that heal the patients of the clinic professionally enough?!...

Blessings

 

[toLiJC]

Instead of starting off by believing "in the One Who is truly God", why not start off with the blind belief that Buddha is the fully enlightened one, instead? Why choose one over the other, as a starting point?

because there has been no point in believing in/working for non-salvation/destruction

Blessings

 

[ananda]

because there has been no point in ... working ...

Blessings

Sure there is. Practical, every day experience teaches me that work causes things to happen (cause & effect).

It is not my experience that simply possessing hope directly causes things to happen (hope/faith & effect).

 

[toLiJC]

With out darkness, how would you know that light even existed?

if there was no "darkness" in the universe, then there would be no need for God to create the world in the beginning of every single(little) eternity, and the souls would live in Paradise where there is no evil at all, because there would be no "darkness" to cause evil to them, including universal collapse, so the "darkness" has never been, isn't and will never be useful/helpful, because not the need for existence of "darkness" came first, but its very existence came first...

Blessings

 

[toLiJC]

I didn't think that you would understand. But that in itself is a very good indicator that your hitting the wrong notes when it comes to Buddhism. I don't know if you care about that, but it is what it is.

buddhism has been one of the world substitutes for the true faith - it's just not worth it (especially compared to the true faith)

Blessings

 

[dlamberth]

if there was no "darkness" in the universe, then there would be no need for God to create the world in the beginning of every single(little) eternity, and the souls would live in Paradise where there is no evil at all, because there would be no "darkness" to cause evil to them, including universal collapse, so the "darkness" has never been, isn't and will never be useful/helpful, because not the need for existence of "darkness" came first, but its very existence came first...

Blessings

The very essence of God is to Create. God can not, not Create.

 

[dlamberth]

buddhism has been one of the world substitutes for the true faith - it's just not worth it (especially compared to the true faith)

Not worth it to you, that I understand. But for myself and millions of others the value has been with out end.

 

[ananda]

buddhism has been one of the world substitutes for the true faith - it's just not worth it (especially compared to the true faith)

Blessings

Buddhism is not a religion of faith (well, early Buddhism isn't).

 

[dlamberth]

what do you call deeper communion with Christ?!, Christ and His true disciples/followers saved many people effectively/perfectly, They were not just communicators with God and is there a result of that mystical activity such as the perfect results of the efforts/deeds Jesus and His true disciples had made/done in order to save as many people as possible?!, is there effectiveness/efficiency/performance for true salvation in that mysticism at all?!, because God won't reward people for having been/being mystics, but He will reward the ones that have really saved others in His Son, Jesus Christ, i.e. if the effect of their spiritual activity has been the same as the effect of the spiritual activity of Jesus and His true disciples presented in the Bible was two millennia ago - if you were an owner of a clinic, wouldn't you reward the doctors and surgeons working in your clinic that heal the patients of the clinic professionally enough?!...

I think it all has to do with how much one desire to have Christ as their reality in their lives. To my eyes your seeming to have limits on that aspect of Faith. I know your not understanding that concept, but its how I see it. Christ is very alive and vibrant and ready to also be experienced. But also from our discussions it's plainly clear to me that you do not understand mysticism, or Buddhism for that matter. Yet you argue against both.

 

[toLiJC]

Sure there is. Practical, every day experience teaches me that work causes things to happen (cause & effect).

It is not my experience that simply possessing hope directly causes things to happen (hope/faith & effect).

it depends on what the work is, if the work is righteous according to the truth of the true One, then the result of it will be favorable...

the result of display/manifestation of faith and hope can also be favorable if they are the faith and hope coming from the true One - in principle they are accompanied by love that also comes from Him...

Blessings

 

[toLiJC]

The very essence of God is to Create. God can not, not Create.

God is not a kid filled principally with the desire to play with e.g. lego, otherwise, if He was such a kid (that is so creative), the universe would be full of creations so that there would hardly be free space including in this cosmos - God is love rather than anything else, He is the system Administrator of life and therefore His purpose is to provide the souls with abundant and eternal life...

Blessings

 

[toLiJC]

Not worth it to you, that I understand. But for myself and millions of others the value has been with out end.

you and those people that have followed buddhism have probably been (too) partial to have something your own

Blessings

 

[ananda]

it depends on what the work is, if the work is righteous according to the truth of the true One, then the result of it will be favorable...

the result of display/manifestation of faith and hope can also be favorable if they are the faith and hope coming from the true One - in principle they are accompanied by love that also comes from Him...

Blessings

Love is an attachment, and is accompanied by much dukkha/suffering.

 

[toLiJC]

I think it all has to do with how much one desire to have Christ as their reality in their lives. To my eyes your seeming to have limits on that aspect of Faith. I know your not understanding that concept, but its how I see it. Christ is very alive and vibrant and ready to also be experienced. But also from our discussions it's plainly clear to me that you do not understand mysticism, or Buddhism for that matter. Yet you argue against both.

i don't find the faith explained in the Bible as a means just of passively enjoying sublimity in Christ, but there is talk about works of overall salvation, fast(ing), distress, persecution, suffering, modesty, etc., not that by speaking so i mean we must necessarily suffer from something, but there is after all a true faith...

Blessings

 

[toLiJC]

Love is an attachment, and is accompanied by much dukkha/suffering.

you are in great delusion

Blessings

 

[dlamberth]

you and those people that have followed buddhism have probably been (too) partial to have something your own

Because you have absolutely no clue about my spiritual path, I'll tell you straight up that you are wrong.

 

[dlamberth]

God is not a kid filled principally with the desire to play with e.g. lego, otherwise, if He was such a kid (that is so creative), the universe would be full of creations so that there would hardly be free space including in this cosmos -

Look out to the cosmos...its full of things that are ever changing with new things created every second of every day.

 

[dlamberth]

i don't find the faith explained in the Bible as a means just of passively enjoying sublimity in Christ, but there is talk about works of overall salvation, fast(ing), distress, persecution, suffering, modesty, etc., not that by speaking so i mean we must necessarily suffer from something, but there is after all a true faith...

As mentioned earlier, there's also talk of knowing the Father "through" Christ. It's the knowing God "through" Christ aspect where the mystic experience comes in. Paul experienced the same on the road to Damascus. So even though the word "mysticism" is not mentioned, it's there none the less. Just like the word "trinity" is not mentioned in the Bible, it's still seen as being there.

 

[Dwells]

Mysticism speaks to our spiritualism rather than legalism.

 

[Silmarien]

why do you think if you use the word "mysticism" or "mystic" it will change something about betterment?! - mysticism is usually full of satanic things such as devilish spirits(kundalini, chakras, aum, etc.) and heresies(the doctrine of: three gunas, karma, samsara, etc.), so mysticism is dangerous...

Blessings

I'm not sure how any of those things are heresies when they're not even Christian in the first place. But calling mysticism dangerous is like calling prayer dangerous because it's central to other faith traditions as well. Christian mysticism exists too, especially in the Catholic and Orthodox traditions, and the vocabulary is completely different. And some of the people who have had the most impact within the history of Christianity have been mystics of some sense or another. (Think Saint Francis of Assisi.)

where in the Bible do you find the word "mysticism"?!, nor can you find the words "spirituality" and "religiosity" therein, because spirituality equals to occultism/heretical movement, and religiosity equals to idolatry...

Blessings

The word "mysticism," may not appear in the Bible, since the concept has shifted over the centuries, but there's a ton of mysticism and spirituality in certain parts of it. Paul and especially John both strike me as fairly mystical, and there's always Psalms.