New York Magazine: Donald Trump’s Race War

[SolomonVII]

Why do you think this is the case?

Whatever the reason, the biggest 'white' privilege of them all is that this is the case. The most liberating message there can be is that the world does not owe you anything and that you are on your own to make it or break it without being given the aid of specially designed programs to compensate for any statistical failures that may appear in the group that you have been labeled as belonging to.

 

[Tull]

Soft bigotry of low expectations.

Some think the answer to racism is racism when all it does is perpetuate it,does anyone think that the average person who is discriminated against because they are white just says to themselves....oh well,guess I had it coming being white and all,gotta pay for all that slavery my ancestors who didn't own slaves didn't engage in.......no,thats not what they say to themselves with very few exceptions. and as long as the grievence industry is alive and well and constantly dredging up the best its about all we can expect in our lifetime.

 

[SolomonVII]

Soft bigotry of low expectations.

Being labelled as special cannot help but come off as derogatory and build up resentments (and even self-loathing) on behalf of members of a group so labeled.

 

[Albion]

Why do you think this is the case?

It really doesn't matter why it is the case. I was simply commenting that it IS the case.

 

[USincognito]

Free speech is dead here.

 

[USincognito]

Free speech is dead here.

 

[Tull]

I hear ya! All those retirees I'm subsidizing can just sit around all day watching Fox News and calling talk radio to rant need to get a job at Wal-Mart as a greeter or something.

You mean those people who retired,that means used to work but don't any longer btw,that paid into a system that took their money by force that is now almost bankrupt from supporting the chronically dysfunctional drunks,crack heads and women who cant keep their legs closed....is that who you are talking about.

 

[Tull]

Do you not know why minorities have their own associations?

Because when given the chance they are every bit as racist and segregated as anyone else,the few times in my life when I was in a minority situation(I was the minority) such as a job I was always treated like a minority,specifically we are in control here not you.


The bottom line is that minorities are human beings and subject to all the failings of human beings,they are not all flawless angels and victims of the evil white man,they have power struggles,they kill their own,they enslave and impoverish their own all the time.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Do you not know why minorities have their own associations?

Because we can legally get away with having organizations closed to other races without the fear of being called racist.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Such as not obeying the law and refusing to cooperate with the police when they ask you to do something....

No, I meant things like hanging around on a sidewalk, or outside a store. Stuff that us white kids did all the time.

How many years ago was this,

It's ongoing. Despite how many conservatives like to frame the discussion, this isn't just about slavery. Remember, it only became illegal to discriminate against minorities in the 1950s & 1960's. That's only 50-60 years ago. Many people who suffered through that time are still alive, and their children definitely are. I'm 35 and my parents were in diapers when Brown v Board was decided and high school when the civil rights laws passed.

A huge part of who I am is a direct result of how I was raised, which was a direct result of how my parents were raised. Looking back, I can see a number of strong elements in my family dynamics that were influenced by my parents' experiences as children. Do you not think that if my parents had grown up in a household forced into poverty by racism that that wouldn't have had an effect on me? Do you not think that if my parents had been harassed and abused by police that that wouldn't have affected my relationship and attitude towards them? Do you not think that if my parents had been denied an education because of their race that that wouldn't have then impacted my education?

time to get another excuse,there are endless programs to help blacks get an education and housing has been free for decades

Things are getting better, but this attitude that everybody should just automatically be able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps is so laughable that I have to wonder if it's willfully blind and more than a touch dishonest. Everybody is a product of their experiences, and most people of any stripe fail to transcend the station where they start out in life. People tend towards what they know. Do you think Trump and his kids would have just gotten into real estate if the family business hadn't already been established and handed to them by grandpa? No. They tended towards what they knew. The same thing happens in families of doctors, musicians, firemen, cops, soldiers, drug dealers, welfare queens, etc.

You said in another thread that you work like a rented mule. Are you doing that much better than your parents did? If not, why do you expect all African Americans to do that much better than theirs?

if you can please explain the many successful blacks we have today....are they superheroes or just people who were principled and dedicated to their goals ?

Some people from any group are going to break out of the group and/or be more successful than others.

But they're still in the minority. Nobody's saying that it's absolutely impossible for a black person to get ahead - just that, on average, they face more obstacles than whites.

 

[USincognito]

Free speech is dead here.

 

[Tull]

No, I meant things like hanging around on a sidewalk, or outside a store. Stuff that us white kids did all the time.

The most recent events did not involve such things,but involved criminal activity and a refusal to obey lawful police orders.

Do you not think that if my parents had grown up in a household forced into poverty by racism that that wouldn't have had an effect on me?

Poverty is neither a virtue or vice and is no excuse for bad behaviour

Things are getting better, but this attitude that everybody should just automatically be able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps is so laughable that I have to wonder if it's willfully blind and more than a touch dishonest.

Life has no gurantees,it is even more laughable to think that apart from death and taxes you are guaranteed anything.....but then some people don't pay taxes do they

Everybody is a product of their experiences, and most people of any stripe fail to transcend the station where they start out in life. People tend towards what they know.

Just more excuses,again there are no promises of anything in this life

You said in another thread that you work like a rented mule. Are you doing that much better than your parents did? If not, why do you expect all African Americans to do that much better than theirs?

The bottom line according to your logic is why expect anything at all from them

 

[morningstar2651]

Making America Great again.

 

[morningstar2651]

Soft bigotry of low expectations.

...really? you think the lack of a white scholarship is because white people are expected to perform poorly? Not because they ALREADY have a large advantage or because "white" isn't an ethnicity? There are scholarships for people with Irish heritage, Italian heritage, Greek heritage, etc.

There is no such thing as "white" heritage.

 

[iluvatar5150]

The most recent events did not involve such things,but involved criminal activity and a refusal to obey lawful police orders.

What most recent events? You mean the one in Sacramento where the alleged jaywalker crossed the street at an intersection?

You ever been stopped for crossing the street at an intersection before? I haven't, and I've crossed in the middle of the block in front of cops loads of times.

There's a solid case to be made that he wasn't even jaywalking. Sacramento city code (which is more restrictive than that CA state code) says that you have to use a crosswalk if you're within 300' of one. I checked Google maps and it looks like he was just over 300' away from the nearest crosswalk. (He was on the east side of Grand Ave and Cypress St, travelling north, while the nearest intersection is about 300' to the west)

Google Maps

Poverty is neither a virtue or vice and is no excuse for bad behaviour

What are you talking about?

Life has no gurantees,it is even more laughable to think that apart from death and taxes you are guaranteed anything.....but then some people don't pay taxes do they

What are you talking about?

Just more excuses,again there are no promises of anything in this life

What are you talking about?

The bottom line according to your logic is why expect anything at all from them

No, the bottom line according to my logic is that it's a bit silly to expect blacks to improve themselves by a greater degree than we expect whites to improve themselves. I notice that you didn't answer my question about how much better off you are than your parents. Why not?

We beat and abused and murdered an entire race of people in this country for centuries. And now that we've outlawed most of the bad stuff, we expect their children to flip things around inside a couple decades? Why? How? How can you expect an entire race of people to do that when so few in the majority can even manage it?

 

[morningstar2651]

Because we can legally get away with having organizations closed to other races without the fear of being called racist.

Indeed, those evil minorities exist simply to put the fear of being called "racist" into you.

 

[morningstar2651]

I live in Arizona. A few years ago I was stopped for driving at night through a predominantly Mexican neighborhood known as Guadalupe. When the cop realized I was white and he couldn't ask me to prove I was a US citizen, he came up with the excuse that he stopped me because the light on my license plate was out and let me go without a ticket or a warning.

The light wasn't out.

This idea that racism doesn't really exist or that minorities use their race to oppress white people is a steaming load of crap. There was a police officer camping out in a Mexican neighborhood detaining people without probable cause in hopes of using SB1070 to catch Mexicans without their immigration paperwork on them.

I don't drive through Guadalupe anymore because I don't want to be pulled over for another 15-30 minutes. I was just inconvenienced and made mildly uncomfortable. Imagine how the residents of that town felt being watched every day by police officers that weren't there to protect or serve them, but that were there to find or manufacture reasons to detain them.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Free speech is dead here.

Free speech is dead here.

Free speech is dead here.

Are you trying to stress a pont or just trolling? What does this have to do with the topic of the thread?

Indeed, those evil minorities exist simply to put the fear of being called "racist" into you.

There is nothing inherently evil about a minority, I happen to be one.

But real life shouts the obvious

An organization that is

Whites only - automatically and without exception. Racist

Any Irish Catholics in the Nation of Islam ranks?

Any Jews in La Rassa?

Any Chinese in Black Lives matter?

And non of these are racist organizations

Sorry. Reality flies in the face of opinions.

 

[Tull]

We beat and abused and murdered an entire race of people in this country for centuries. And now that we've outlawed most of the bad stuff, we expect their children to flip things around inside a couple decades? Why? How? How can you expect an entire race of people to do that when so few in the majority can even manage it?

No,i expect them to,you will continue to excuse their behavior which will produce more of it,they are free to express their racism and hatred without penalty,to blame others for their lives,engage in violence or just sit down relax and wait for the check so as far as I'm concerned they are quite priveledged.

 

[Tull]

This idea that racism doesn't really exist

Absurdity,no one has said any such thing

or that minorities use their race to oppress white people is a steaming load of crap.

As is that statement,they use it in many ways to excuse violent behavior,irresponsable behavior and a what's yours is ours and what's ours is ours mindset.