Flat Earth V.S Round Earth? (Also helio/geocentrism)

[A Freeman]

The reason for ALL of this world's woes is very, very simple: we ARROGANTLY think we know better than God and don't need to do what He has COMMANDED us to do for our own benefit.

We were given The Law to protect us from evil and keep us free. But instead of keeping The Law, sharing everything, respecting everyone and everything, and learning to be more Christ-like and unselfish, we have decided we are the center of everything and that the universe revolves around us.

It is this egocentric/geocentric point of view that got us into this mess and unless we wake up and see the world as it really is - a place where people lie, cheat and steal from each other, women are raped, children are molested, murder has been "legalized" in the form of war and police aggression, perversions of every type are accepted as the "new norm", etc., etc. - we will be destroyed.

The Bible doesn't teach a flat Earth; satanically-inspired humans do.

Secret Bible Code Words - Reveal Earth's Shape | Space

The FE nonsense is an obvious satanic government PSY-OP, sent to distract as many as possible FROM the truth about why this world is in such a mess and what we all really need to be doing to set it right. The divisive nature of FE, and the obvious and incessant lies associated with it, should make its satanic origin crystal clear .

If you are genuinely seeking the truth here in these end-times, then you should be looking for Christ with ALL of your heart, mind, soul and strength.

He's here.
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[servantofyahshua]

The Bible is gateway to the spiritual world, and so it should be understood. If your thinking is in alignment with the entire Bible without contradiction, you perfectly understand God.

 

[Zoii]

The reason for ALL of this world's woes is very, very simple: we ARROGANTLY think we know better than God and don't need to do what He has COMMANDED us to do for our own benefit.

We were given The Law to protect us from evil and keep us free. But instead of keeping The Law, sharing everything, respecting everyone and everything, and learning to be more Christ-like and unselfish, we have decided we are the center of everything and that the universe revolves around us.

It is this egocentric/geocentric point of view that got us into this mess and unless we wake up and see the world as it really is - a place where people lie, cheat and steal from each other, women are raped, children are molested, murder has been "legalized" in the form of war and police aggression, perversions of every type are accepted as the "new norm", etc., etc. - we will be destroyed.

The Bible doesn't teach a flat Earth; satanically-inspired humans do.

Secret Bible Code Words - Reveal Earth's Shape | Space

The FE nonsense is an obvious satanic government PSY-OP, sent to distract as many as possible FROM the truth about why this world is in such a mess and what we all really need to be doing to set it right. The divisive nature of FE, and the obvious and incessant lies associated with it, should make its satanic origin crystal clear .

If you are genuinely seeking the truth here in these end-times, then you should be looking for Christ with ALL of your heart, mind, soul and strength.

He's here.
On The Way to Emmaus Again

Like you I get frustrated with the views of FE exponents, but I genuinely do not believe they are satanic as you suggest. Their view is based on a logic though unfortunately that logic is terribly flawed. That hardly makes them satanic though.

 

[Dig4truth]

I posted this about 4 pages ago and no one responded to it. I believe it is what causes most FE to begin to question the globe. If the curvature cannot be measured like the globe model itself demands then red flags go up!

So here's the re-post. Hopefully someone will have a solution to the puzzle.


If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference as NASA and modern astronomy claim, spherical trigonometry dictates the surface of all standing water must curve downward an easily measurable 8 inches per mile multiplied by the square of the distance. This means along a 6 mile channel of standing water, the Earth would dip 6 feet on either end from the central peak. Every time such experiments have been conducted, however, standing water has proven to be perfectly level.

This would seem to be an easy experiment to do. In fact some historical experiments have been done that support this fact. Here is one;

Samuel Rowbotham’s experiments at the Old Bedford Level proved conclusively the canal’s water to be completely flat over a 6 mile stretch. First he stood in the canal with his telescope held 8 inches above the surface of the water, then his friend in a boat with a 5 foot tall flag sailed the 6 miles away. If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference the 6 mile stretch of water should have comprised an arc exactly 6 feet high in the middle, so the entire boat and flag should have ultimately disappeared, when in fact the entire boat and flag remained visible at the same height for the entire journey.

Or this example;

From Genoa, Italy at a height of just 70 feet above sea-level, the island of Corsica can often be seen 99 miles away. If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference, Corsica should fall 5,245 feet, almost an entire mile below the horizon.


These are tests that can be repeated and verified making them scientific. Can anyone offer an explanation for the discrepancy in the projected globe model measurements and what is actually observed?



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[A Freeman]

Like you I get frustrated with the views of FE exponents, but I genuinely do not believe they are satanic as you suggest. Their view is based on a logic though unfortunately that logic is terribly flawed. That hardly makes them satanic though.

Thank-you and understood. However, please consider that terribly flawed logic makes one's suppositions illogical.

The entire world is running off of satanic logic, which is not logic at all, but instead is really complete and total insanity. That's what has us destroying our natural surroundings, i.e. poisoning the land, water and air, and fighting these endless wars which are killing millions (and about to kill billions more). All to make a handful of the greediest, most evil people on this planet rich while impoverishing and enslaving the rest of us.

FE was resurrected as a satanic government PSY-OP, to divide and conquer us by getting everyone to waste tons of time arguing about the shape of this prison instead of taking notice that the world is falling apart around us.

The alphabet soup brigade (aka the "intelligence" agencies) only had to put out a pile of disinfo and the illusion of some mass-awakening to kick this little mind-game off. The FE "movement" now appears to be self-sustaining, as people who are smart enough to question the official narrative, but not smart enough to exercise common-sense, are duped into thinking they've found the "ultimate lie".

Secret Bible Code Words - Reveal Earth's Shape | Space

Those who are unfamiliar with the subject of geodesy should take the time to look into it because it quickly puts this issue to rest. Many thousands of geodetic surveyors have spent hundreds of years taking millions of very accurate measurements proving the Earth's curvature consistently and repeatedly, beyond any reasonable doubt. So there is no question, even from physical measurements, that the world is indeed spherical in shape.

The real goal of this FE nonsense is to use the logical fallacy of guilt by association to both discredit genuine conspiracy theories/facts and at the same time discredit the Bible. There are agents of evil who are claiming that the Bible teaches FE, and that if you take the Bible literally you have to believe FE, which is obviously false and misleading. The Bible in no way teaches a FE, and can be taken literally to illustrate a spherical-shaped planet IF it is properly understood and interpreted.

So FE is being used to create a false dichotomy so at some appointed time in the near future, FE can be publicly and irrefutably proven to be false, and then through guilt by association, will infer that the Bible isn't true and that the truth about any of the so-called conspiracy theories (e.g. Waco, OK City, 9/11, 7/7, Bali, Madrid, Norway, etc.) should likewise be called into question.

There couldn't be anything more satanic. Especially now, during the end-times, when people should be looking for the truth of all things: Christ.

Christ told His disciples He would be here now, during His Second Coming. People should therefore be spending what precious time they have left looking for Him instead of arguing about the shape of the Earth, which is nothing more than a Tavistock-generated mind-control exercise.

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[dmmesdale]

I have never met a Christian who believed the Earth was flat.

 

[A Freeman]

I posted this about 4 pages ago and no one responded to it. I believe it is what causes most FE to begin to question the globe. If the curvature cannot be measured like the globe model itself demands then red flags go up!

So here's the re-post. Hopefully someone will have a solution to the puzzle.


If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference as NASA and modern astronomy claim, spherical trigonometry dictates the surface of all standing water must curve downward an easily measurable 8 inches per mile multiplied by the square of the distance. This means along a 6 mile channel of standing water, the Earth would dip 6 feet on either end from the central peak. Every time such experiments have been conducted, however, standing water has proven to be perfectly level.

This would seem to be an easy experiment to do. In fact some historical experiments have been done that support this fact. Here is one;

Samuel Rowbotham’s experiments at the Old Bedford Level proved conclusively the canal’s water to be completely flat over a 6 mile stretch. First he stood in the canal with his telescope held 8 inches above the surface of the water, then his friend in a boat with a 5 foot tall flag sailed the 6 miles away. If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference the 6 mile stretch of water should have comprised an arc exactly 6 feet high in the middle, so the entire boat and flag should have ultimately disappeared, when in fact the entire boat and flag remained visible at the same height for the entire journey.

Or this example;

From Genoa, Italy at a height of just 70 feet above sea-level, the island of Corsica can often be seen 99 miles away. If Earth were a ball 25,000 miles in circumference, Corsica should fall 5,245 feet, almost an entire mile below the horizon.


These are tests that can be repeated and verified making them scientific. Can anyone offer an explanation for the discrepancy in the projected globe model measurements and what is actually observed?

Yes. FE-ers are incorrectly applying their curvature drop formula of 8" x miles squared to the WRONG LINE. It should only be applied to the horizontal tangent line/plane, as explained in the video below. The curvature is actually there, right before everyone's eyes, as proven by thousands of geodetic engineers over the past several hundred years through millions of measurements of the Earth's curvature.

You can even see in the thumbnail of the video that a 59' tower amazingly fits underneath the crosshairs of a theodolite 8.5 miles away that has been plumbed, squared and leveled to the horizontal tangent line at an elevation of 11.6 feet.

This couldn't happen without curvature. If the Earth was actually flat (which of course it isn't) the crosshairs would stay on the 11.6' elevation no matter how far out one looked. In this particular case, they would cut through the 59' tower at an elevation of 11.6' rather than the entire tower fitting underneath the crosshairs.

 

[Strong in Him]

I have always (and still do) believe that the Earth is indeed spherical.

But I've noticed lately that there are a surprising number of Christians who hold to the flat earth/geocentric model. And so I was wondering which model people here subscribed to. I'm really interested in creating some discussion about this.

Do you believe the Earth is round or flat? What is your evidence?

The earth is round and revolves around the sun.
I'm not a scientist so don't have evidence - except that it's what I was taught in school ans scientists, textbooks and photos all back this up.

As in nature, so in faith; the sun/SON is centre.

 

[JacksBratt]

Yes. FE-ers are incorrectly applying their curvature drop formula of 8" x miles squared to the WRONG LINE. It should only be applied to the horizontal tangent line/plane, as explained in the video below. The curvature is actually there, right before everyone's eyes, as proven by thousands of geodetic engineers over the past several hundred years through millions of measurements of the Earth's curvature.

You can even see in the thumbnail of the video that a 59' tower amazingly fits underneath the crosshairs of a theodolite 8.5 miles away that has been plumbed, squared and leveled to the horizontal tangent line at an elevation of 11.6 feet.

This couldn't happen without curvature. If the Earth was actually flat (which of course it isn't) the crosshairs would stay on the 11.6' elevation no matter how far out one looked. In this particular case, they would cut through the 59' tower at an elevation of 11.6' rather than the entire tower fitting underneath the crosshairs.

The formula given is taken right from the globe earth model.
In order for the proper circumference of the globe the earth must curve 8 inches for every mile of surface distance.

If this is not true, if it is more than 8 inches, then the earth would be much smaller. If it was less than 8 inches then the earth would be much larger.

This amount, eight inches, is not a figure pulled out of a hat. It is a necessary figure or constant which is needed to create a globe that is the size of our earth.

In order to calculate the curve over a given distance, and due to the fact that it is a ball, the curve will double every mile. The calculation squares the distance to account for this effect. If the distance was not squared, the calculation would produce a straight line drop, or slope.

Thus, the correct formula is "the distance, in miles, squared, multiplied by 8 inches"

This is not a physop, this is simply the math of a sphere and the numbers necessary due to the size of this globe we live on.

Sorry, but this is not a F..earther concoction.

I have several issues with the flat earth, however, this math is not the issue...it is the observations that have been shown to contradict it.

 

[JacksBratt]

I have never met a Christian who believed the Earth was flat.

There are many Christians who are believers of the FE theory.
What confuses me is the fact that there are those who are not Christian who believe the flat earth model.

Think about it....

If the earth was a flat circular plane, with walls of ice around the outside edge and an impenetrable dome over top...a snow globe as it were...what would that do to the science of today and the last 500 years?

1/ A big band could not have caused it.
2/ Evolution would be dead, in it's tracks
3/ The space program would be solidified as a hoax
4/ We would be very special beings, not some random group of organisms floating in a immeasurable void or vacuum.
5/Gravity would no longer need to exist.. there would only be "down" and "up".
6/The world would of had to be created. It could not have just happened.


All in all, the flat earth is an atheistic theory killer while the Biblical accounts could still be very real, accurate and truthful.

In any case, the only people who this FE theory would benefit, is the Christians.

No Atheist should ever believe it. Satan, therefore, would never be the author of such a theory.

He is busy with life on other planets, alien life forms, superior extraterrestrial technology, vast numbers of other civilizations, water on mars, and the extreme insignificance of our human race, along with all the other creatures we share this earth with.

 

[A Freeman]

The formula given is taken right from the globe earth model.
In order for the proper circumference of the globe the earth must curve 8 inches for every mile of surface distance.

If this is not true, if it is more than 8 inches, then the earth would be much smaller. If it was less than 8 inches then the earth would be much larger.

This amount, eight inches, is not a figure pulled out of a hat. It is a necessary figure or constant which is needed to create a globe that is the size of our earth.

In order to calculate the curve over a given distance, and due to the fact that it is a ball, the curve will double every mile. The calculation squares the distance to account for this effect. If the distance was not squared, the calculation would produce a straight line drop, or slope.

Thus, the correct formula is "the distance, in miles, squared, multiplied by 8 inches"

This is not a physop, this is simply the math of a sphere and the numbers necessary due to the size of this globe we live on.

Sorry, but this is not a F..earther concoction.

I have several issues with the flat earth, however, this math is not the issue...it is the observations that have been shown to contradict it.

You clearly didn't understand what was shared. There's nothing wrong with the drop formula itself; the 8" of drop x miles squared does give an accurate approximation of the curvature for a spherical Earth with a diameter of 7918 miles.

What FE is doing wrong is apply this drop formula INCORRECTLY to the line of sight instead of to the horizontal tangent line, as it should be. And then they wonder where the curvature went, when in fact it was there all along right in front of their eyes.

Please see the diagrams at the following link which illustrate this very clearly (the differences between the line of sight and the horizontal tangent line):-

Perspective Proves The Flat Earth Deception

ALL deceptions come from Satan, aka the great deceiver. Therefore we can be absolutely certain the FE deception is satanic.

Please take the time to study the information that's been presented here on this page, including the videos and links, to see for yourself that the TRUTH is the Earth is a sphere, as it is perfectly described in Scriptures.

Peace be upon you.

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[Dig4truth]

Yes. FE-ers are incorrectly applying their curvature drop formula of 8" x miles squared to the WRONG LINE. It should only be applied to the horizontal tangent line/plane, as explained in the video below. The curvature is actually there, right before everyone's eyes, as proven by thousands of geodetic engineers over the past several hundred years through millions of measurements of the Earth's curvature.

You can even see in the thumbnail of the video that a 59' tower amazingly fits underneath the crosshairs of a theodolite 8.5 miles away that has been plumbed, squared and leveled to the horizontal tangent line at an elevation of 11.6 feet.

This couldn't happen without curvature. If the Earth was actually flat (which of course it isn't) the crosshairs would stay on the 11.6' elevation no matter how far out one looked. In this particular case, they would cut through the 59' tower at an elevation of 11.6' rather than the entire tower fitting underneath the crosshairs.

I'm not saying that his information is incorrect for a globe model but there are some issues I have with his conclusions.

He does not mention that an object is smaller (shorter) due to distance and our eyesight. He only accounts it to a curve.

If the curve were the reason why it appears smaller then it would be obvious that a portion of the bottom was missing (due to the curve), it would not be an overall shrinkage of size. I did not notice that effect in his video although it was not vey high resolution.

The same argument is made by many FE in their videos where they show the entire structure or land mass is visible from the bottom to the top.

His point must demonstrate this effect if it is to be believed.

If you do see him make a video on the long bridge please let me know. That would be interesting to watch.

 

[A Freeman]

The earth is round and revolves around the sun.
I'm not a scientist so don't have evidence - except that it's what I was taught in school ans scientists, textbooks and photos all back this up.

As in nature, so in faith; the sun/SON is centre.

Amen. Centred around the Sun of Righteousness Who is The Light of the world.

 

[AFrazier]

Yes. FE-ers are incorrectly applying their curvature drop formula of 8" x miles squared to the WRONG LINE. It should only be applied to the horizontal tangent line/plane, as explained in the video below. The curvature is actually there, right before everyone's eyes, as proven by thousands of geodetic engineers over the past several hundred years through millions of measurements of the Earth's curvature.

You can even see in the thumbnail of the video that a 59' tower amazingly fits underneath the crosshairs of a theodolite 8.5 miles away that has been plumbed, squared and leveled to the horizontal tangent line at an elevation of 11.6 feet.

This couldn't happen without curvature. If the Earth was actually flat (which of course it isn't) the crosshairs would stay on the 11.6' elevation no matter how far out one looked. In this particular case, they would cut through the 59' tower at an elevation of 11.6' rather than the entire tower fitting underneath the crosshairs.

This is essentially what I said pages ago. The 8" per mile is relative to line of sight; viz. the horizontal tangent line. It's based on Pythagorean Theorem, and you don't measure the circumference of a sphere by finding the hypotenuse of a triangle. The line of sight drops by 8" per mile. Squaring measurements is relative to finding the hypotenuse. I think the guy even mentions Pythagorean Theorem in the video.

But FEers never listen. They see what they want to see.

 

[JackRT]

But FEers never listen. They see what they want to see.

Don't confuse them with facts, their minds are made up.

 

[Greyy]

The formula given is taken right from the globe earth model.
In order for the proper circumference of the globe the earth must curve 8 inches for every mile of surface distance.

If this is not true, if it is more than 8 inches, then the earth would be much smaller. If it was less than 8 inches then the earth would be much larger.

This amount, eight inches, is not a figure pulled out of a hat. It is a necessary figure or constant which is needed to create a globe that is the size of our earth.

In order to calculate the curve over a given distance, and due to the fact that it is a ball, the curve will double every mile. The calculation squares the distance to account for this effect. If the distance was not squared, the calculation would produce a straight line drop, or slope.

Thus, the correct formula is "the distance, in miles, squared, multiplied by 8 inches"

This is not a physop, this is simply the math of a sphere and the numbers necessary due to the size of this globe we live on.

Sorry, but this is not a F..earther concoction.

I have several issues with the flat earth, however, this math is not the issue...it is the observations that have been shown to contradict it.

That formula is completely wrong. The sad thing is, this is simple math people should have learned in high school.

If you create a line, from the center of the earth, to the surface, you have a height which is equal to the circumference of the earth. Next, you create a line at the surface perpendicular to that line from the center of the earth, forming a right angle. That line is called the base. If you make the base one mile, you can determine how far above the surface a line of sight will be after one mile. So the circumference in miles squared, plus one miles squared, makes the square the hypotenuse, which will be the circumference of the Earth plus eight inches. Thus, over one mile, a line of sight on the surface will be eigh inches above the ground.

You cannot use basic linear math to determine the rate of drop after two miles from the rate of drop after one mile. You have to find the root of the square of the circumstance plus the square of the distance to determine each point of drop.

 

[JacksBratt]

That formula is completely wrong. The sad thing is, this is simple math people should have learned in high school.

If you create a line, from the center of the earth, to the surface, you have a height which is equal to the circumference of the earth. Next, you create a line at the surface perpendicular to that line from the center of the earth, forming a right angle. That line is called the base. If you make the base one mile, you can determine how far above the surface a line of sight will be after one mile. So the circumference in miles squared, plus one miles squared, makes the square the hypotenuse, which will be the circumference of the Earth plus eight inches. Thus, over one mile, a line of sight on the surface will be eigh inches above the ground.

You cannot use basic linear math to determine the rate of drop after two miles from the rate of drop after one mile. You have to find the root of the square of the circumstance plus the square of the distance to determine each point of drop.

Can you please put out a website that corrects all the globe earth and Flat earth mathematicians that have it wrong?

I'm not saying that you are the only one but obviously there is nobody out there from either view that has it right then.



The distance must be squared on any sphere in order to maintain the curve. The distance used in most examples, for the earth, is a mile. The shorter the distance, the more accurate the calculation. If you used a kilometer then it would not be a drop of 8 inches. If you used a 1/4 mile, again it would not be 8 inches. You would have to find the drop of each of the respective distances. The shorter the distance, the more accurate the calculation.

The problem still remains and it is one solid observable, testable and repeatable fact of the world we live in:

We have been told that ships go out of site over the curve when they sail away. We have been told that the earth is a ball. We have been told that the ball earth is a certain size. These are all staples..... Correct?

One of the solid proofs or evidences of the earth, in fact being a ball, is this observations "the ships disappear bottom first, when they sail away".

Now, in 2017, people have technology and tools in their hands that they did not have before. High zoom cameras, lasers, google maps, gps and such.

They are seeing objects that are still visible while they should be hidden by the curve of the earth. These objects are well in view when they should be 10 feet to hundreds of feet beyond the curve of the horizon.

I have been accused of being a flat earth believer.... I am not....not yet.

This is the one thing that opened my mind. This is the one thing that started my questioning the globe model, or at least the one we are being taught and have been since the inception of our education.

There are a few things that I can not explain about the Flat earth model. This is why I am not sold on it.

There are many things about the globe model that do not make sense either.

I will argue and refute all of the false "evidence" that tries to back the globe model.

I will not stand for false evidence. But I will not back the FE model until it, too, has solid proof.

FACT is... the earth is not what we have been taught.

 

[Monna]

Anyone living in the Rockies, the Appalachians, the Alps, the Himalaya or the Andes, plust most other places will know that the earth is not flat!

 

[JackRT]

Anyone living in the Rockies, the Appalachians, the Alps, the Himalaya or the Andes, plust most other places will know that the earth is not flat!

I grew up in southern Saskatchewan and even I know that it is not flat. There is a grain elevator every eight miles along the rail lines and usually a road alongside that. As you drive you can clearly see the elevators "rising" as you get closer --- just like a ship at sea.

 

[AFrazier]

Can you please put out a website that corrects all the globe earth and Flat earth mathematicians that have it wrong?

I'm not saying that you are the only one but obviously there is nobody out there from either view that has it right then.



The distance must be squared on any sphere in order to maintain the curve. The distance used in most examples, for the earth, is a mile. The shorter the distance, the more accurate the calculation. If you used a kilometer then it would not be a drop of 8 inches. If you used a 1/4 mile, again it would not be 8 inches. You would have to find the drop of each of the respective distances. The shorter the distance, the more accurate the calculation.

The problem still remains and it is one solid observable, testable and repeatable fact of the world we live in:

We have been told that ships go out of site over the curve when they sail away. We have been told that the earth is a ball. We have been told that the ball earth is a certain size. These are all staples..... Correct?

One of the solid proofs or evidences of the earth, in fact being a ball, is this observations "the ships disappear bottom first, when they sail away".

Now, in 2017, people have technology and tools in their hands that they did not have before. High zoom cameras, lasers, google maps, gps and such.

They are seeing objects that are still visible while they should be hidden by the curve of the earth. These objects are well in view when they should be 10 feet to hundreds of feet beyond the curve of the horizon.

I have been accused of being a flat earth believer.... I am not....not yet.

This is the one thing that opened my mind. This is the one thing that started my questioning the globe model, or at least the one we are being taught and have been since the inception of our education.

There are a few things that I can not explain about the Flat earth model. This is why I am not sold on it.

There are many things about the globe model that do not make sense either.

I will argue and refute all of the false "evidence" that tries to back the globe model.

I will not stand for false evidence. But I will not back the FE model until it, too, has solid proof.

FACT is... the earth is not what we have been taught.

The best thing to do is take a few math courses. The only real confusion on all of this is the fact that there are people who don't know jack about math trying to make up their own equations to measure things to fit what they want to believe. None of this flat earth nonsense holds any water whatsoever if you understand math. Whatever it is you've seen that has given you doubts about the globular shape of the earth, I guarantee it has come from someone who has either intentionally or ignorantly misrepresented some aspect of the math involved. It's really as simple as that.