Is God a liar?

[Meowzltov]

I guess you are confused about what a myth is then.
A myth is defined as a historical account.

ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, the Lord of the Rings is history. I always wanted that to be true.

 

[SkyWriting]

ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, the Lord of the Rings is history. I always wanted that to be true.

Myth | Myth Definition by Merriam-Webster
Definition of myth. 1a : a usually traditional story of ostensibly historical events that serves to unfold part of the world view of a people or explain a practice, belief, or natural phenomenon creation mythsb : parable, allegory Moral responsibility is the motif of Plato's myths.

 

[Meowzltov]

Myth | Myth Definition by Merriam-Webster
Definition of myth. 1a : a usually traditional story of ostensibly historical events that serves to unfold part of the world view of a people or explain a practice, belief, or natural phenomenon creation mythsb : parable, allegory Moral responsibility is the motif of Plato's myths.

Yes. OSTENSIBLY historical events.

os·ten·si·bly
äˈstensiblē,əˈstensiblē/
adverb

1. apparently or purportedly, but perhaps not actually.
   "portrayed as a blue-collar type, ostensibly a carpenter"
   synonyms: apparently, seemingly, on the face of it, to all intents and purposes, outwardly, superficially, allegedly, supposedly, purportedly

Let's talk about another myth (besides the Lord of the Rings) and you can tell me which ones are historical.

The most powerful sky god Marduk slew that serpent, Tiamat, goddess of the ocean, and split her in two before time began. With half her body he formed the heavens with its stars, sun, and moon. With the other half he formed the earth.

What's your impression of THAT myth? Historical or no?

 

[SkyWriting]

Yes. OSTENSIBLY historical events.

os·ten·si·bly
äˈstensiblē,əˈstensiblē/
adverb

1. apparently or purportedly, but perhaps not actually.
   "portrayed as a blue-collar type, ostensibly a carpenter"
   synonyms: apparently, seemingly, on the face of it, to all intents and purposes, outwardly, superficially, allegedly, supposedly, purportedly

Let's talk about another myth (besides the Lord of the Rings) and you can tell me which ones are historical.

The most powerful sky god Marduk slew that serpent, Tiamat, goddess of the ocean, and split her in two before time began. With half her body he formed the heavens with its stars, sun, and moon. With the other half he formed the earth.

What's your impression of THAT myth? Historical or no?

All of history is purely regarding Faith. Every bit.

Faith in the teller, faith in the re-teller, faith in other believers in the re-teller.....it's all pure faith. Even science experiments require faith in who wrote the scriptures...I mean experiments.

 

[Meowzltov]

All of history is purely regarding Faith. Every bit.

Did Marduk slay Tiamat in history? Yes or no.

 

[Yarddog]

How is Genesis prophetic?

It tells of Jesus Christ, the Light, coming into the world for starters.

 

[Meowzltov]

You then must eliminate the resurrection as a lie, which I refuse to do.
Sorry.

I don't. When I doubted all of Christianity and Christ himself, it was the Resurrection that was the one thing I couldn't disprove. Why? Because of the sudden change in the disciples. At the crucifixion they had been cringing cowards that fled. Peter even denied Christ 3 times. But after Pentecost they became enthusiastic evangelists, braving torture, prison, and death. Peter himself became the key speaker at Pentecost, and died in Rome. Something more than significant happened to have achieved a change like that.

 

[CrystalDragon]

These sources covered various topics:

Thallus (52AD)
Tacitus (56-120AD)
Mara Bar-Serapion (70AD)
Phlegon (80-140AD)
Pliny the Younger (61-113AD)
Suetonius (69-140AD)
Lucian of Samosata: (115-200 A.D.)
Celsus (175AD)
Josephus (37-101AD)
Jewish Talmud (400-700AD)
The Toledot Yeshu (1000AD)

Are there any internet links to those that have good analyses and breakdowns to those?

 

[SkyWriting]

Are there any internet links to those that have good analyses and breakdowns to those?

Just pick any that you wish.
Is There Any Evidence for Jesus Outside the Bible? | Cold Case Christianity

 

[CrystalDragon]

Just pick any that you wish.
Is There Any Evidence for Jesus Outside the Bible? | Cold Case Christianity

Thanks! I'll check it out.

 

[HenryM]

Science worship is part of worshipping the beast, in these end days of ours.

 

[HenryM]

When God said that He created us and the world, He didn't said He created the process upon which we were created. He said He created us.

It's a big distinction, and our perfect God wouldn't tell us something that isn't so.

When a composer writes music, he writes each and every note. If a programmer would write a software that creates music through some alghoritm, or process, that programmer doesn't create music, he creates a process which creates music.

Our God, in His perfection, wouldn't tell us that He created us if He in fact created and initiated a process through which we were created. God explicitly tells us that He is the one who did the creating, not some process that He initiated.

To underline it, He gives us commandment to remember His act of creation:

"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

Can it be more obvious, for those who stand with the Word of God?

 

[Meowzltov]

Science worship is part of worshipping the beast, in these end days of ours.

I have never personally met anyone who worships science, though I've met scientists.

 

[HenryM]

I have never personally met anyone who worships science, though I've met scientists.

If one puts word of scientists before Word of God, I would say it's science worship. Even if your own eyes tell you something that contradicts Word of God, I see it wiser to put trust in God and not in your own eyes. Let alone some scientists who base their theories on assumption upon assumption. For God is owner of your eyes.

Fortunately, God didn't leave people for thousands of years to erroneously think He created the world in six days, waiting for some atheists and agnostics to discover the "truth".

 

[Meowzltov]

If one puts word of scientists before Word of God, I would say it's science worship.

I don't think that's the problem. The problem is more one of certain Christians not understanding what genres the first chapters of Genesis are written in and how that effects your understanding of the text. IOW the conflict isn't with Science at all.

 

[HenryM]

I don't think that's the problem. The problem is more one of certain Christians not understanding what genres the first chapters of Genesis are written in and how that effects your understanding of the text. IOW the conflict isn't with Science at all.

And what genre is God's commandment to remember the Sabbath day, which says that "in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day"?

Listen, I don't think God is applauding you for publicly casting doubt in His Word, and then driving that doubt for two years.

One can't be wrong by going with God's Word, and against the world's word.

On the other hand, if just one soul got sidetracked with doubt and turned their back to God thanks to your public endeavour of casting doubt in God's Word, what reward would you expect to get?

 

[Meowzltov]

And what genre is God's commandment to remember the Sabbath day, which says that "in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day"?

A legal document (which appeals to a creation myth)

I discuss Adam and Eve and stuff too on these forum all the time. But it doesn't mean I consider the story historical.

 

[HenryM]

A legal document (which appeals to a creation myth)

What are you talking about? What creation myth? Do you know what is commandment to remember the Sabbath day? It's a commandment to remember God's creation, as described to us by God, even within the commandment itself.

God gave commandments, as written in Exodus 20, starting with words "I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery."

Then He gives commandment to: "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

Because you type science with capital S, you just discard part of commandment you don't like?

 

[Meowzltov]

What are you talking about? What creation myth? Do you know what is commandment to remember the Sabbath day? It's a commandment to remember God's creation, as described to us by God, even within the commandment itself.

Like I said, I do such appeals to the Creation Myth myself in my writings right here in these forums. Yet I don't believe Genesis 1 and 2 are historical. I believe they are POWERFUL, which is more important.

 

[Aman777]

What are you talking about? What creation myth? Do you know what is commandment to remember the Sabbath day? It's a commandment to remember God's creation, as described to us by God, even within the commandment itself.

God gave commandments, as written in Exodus 20, starting with words "I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery."

Then He gives commandment to: "Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy."

Because you type science with capital S, you just discard part of commandment you don't like?

Can you tell us How to keep the 7th Day "holy"? Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, is the command. Keeping it "holy" means keeping it perfect. Amen?