Why did the snake entice Eve first but not Adam?

[Solomons Porch]

Eve wasn't created yet. even so, it was still Adam's ordained responsibility to look after her and be the leader. He failed.


That is quite a limb. "Adam and Eve: The Movie" would look like this
What I have heard preached was that, and there are New Testament scriptures used to support this, but this is not a debate so meh. I heard it interpreted that Eve's sin was being the first feminist. She usurped the role of Adam. It is a curse that has plagued women ever since.

Also that Adam allowed her to usurp his role. Rather than being the leader, he allowed her to be the leader. He knew very well what he was doing. the Bible says that Adam knew he was eating what was forbidden and did it anyway.

I'm not going to guess what led up to it.
she was in the wrong place. SHouldn't have been the near the tree. She was tempted. She stepped out of her place, Adam allowed her to take his place... Just a disaster.

Interesting thought.....

 

[Grandpa2390]

Interesting thought.....

that ellipsis...

genesis 3:16 is one of the verses.

 

[Solomons Porch]

that ellipsis...

genesis 3:16 is one of the verses.

yep

 

[Grandpa2390]

yep

That passage has been interpreted in a variety of ways. But the thing is that this is supposed to be a negative passage. It is a curse. Everything up to that point was a curse. It is supposed to be divisive. God put enmity between Adam and ground, Eve and the snake, and so Eve and her husband.

Women don't have the same freedoms and opportunities men have enjoyed for thousands of years, and it is no surprise that men have taken advantage of and abused women through history. Men don't understand women very well (like you said), don't always love (or perhaps never love) their wives perfectly. Women can feel unfulfilled, and that is a part of the curse.

the word desire comes from an arabic root that means to seek control. So she will seek control over her husband and he will rule over her. That word means to dominate. So as the woman seeks to overthrow her husband and rule him, he will dominate her. And thus we get conflict in marriage.

Eve did this originally. Tried to convince Adam to do it her way, and he submitted to her will. So now, in the curse, is the promise that this disharmony will exist till the end. The wife will try to have her will, the husband will disagree and attempt to maintain his control. You get conflict.

 

[ewq1938]

That passage has been interpreted in a variety of ways. But the thing is that this is supposed to be a negative passage. It is a curse. Everything up to that point was a curse. It is supposed to be divisive. God put enmity between Adam and ground, Eve and the snake, and so Eve and her husband.

Not so. No enmity between husband and wife is ordered by God. May God forbid such an idea!

 

[Jesus_is_Saint]

Imagine this,
if Adam rejected to eat the fruit given by Eve,
then it was Eve alone had sinned.
In this case, what would happen to human race?

 

[Solomons Porch]

That passage has been interpreted in a variety of ways. But the thing is that this is supposed to be a negative passage. It is a curse. Everything up to that point was a curse. It is supposed to be divisive. God put enmity between Adam and ground, Eve and the snake, and so Eve and her husband.

Women don't have the same freedoms and opportunities men have enjoyed for thousands of years, and it is no surprise that men have taken advantage of and abused women through history. Men don't understand women very well (like you said), don't always love (or perhaps never love) their wives perfectly. Women can feel unfulfilled, and that is a part of the curse.

the word desire comes from an arabic root that means to seek control. So she will seek control over her husband and he will rule over her. That word means to dominate. So as the woman seeks to overthrow her husband and rule him, he will dominate her. And thus we get conflict in marriage.

Eve did this originally. Tried to convince Adam to do it her way, and he submitted to her will. So now, in the curse, is the promise that this disharmony will exist till the end. The wife will try to have her will, the husband will disagree and attempt to maintain his control. You get conflict.

I think you might be onto something Watson, ellipsis ellipsis ellipsis ellipsis sorry had to make a funny. I gotta ponder that one.

 

[ewq1938]

Imagine this,
if Adam rejected to eat the fruit given by Eve,
the it was Eve alone had sinned.
In this case, what would happen to human race?

Nothing. Adam could have easily followed his wife outside the garden.

 

[Solomons Porch]

Imagine this,
if Adam rejected to eat the fruit given by Eve,
then it was Eve alone had sinned.
In this case, what would happen to human race?

But was Adam held accountable for her actions? Since he was to rule over her. She didn't even know she was naked til Adam took his first bite, yes or no? So does that show us the accountability held for the husband over his wife and family? And the 2 shall become one body.

 

[Grandpa2390]

Nothing. Adam could have easily followed his wife outside the garden.

@Jesus_is_Saint

Something I thought about too from occasion to occasion. Never looked it up though to get theologian opinions... guess it is kind of a useless mental exercise because what would it teach us?

But Adam was specifically cursed for the role he played in submitting to Eve's will and eating the fruit knowing very well what he was doing.
So I wondered from time to time if maybe Eve would have just been kicked out of the garden, cursed alone, or just destroyed... who knows.
Perhaps Adam still would have shared in the curse because Eve's sin may have been partly due to him not performing his responsibility for her...

 

[Grandpa2390]

But was Adam held accountable for her actions? Since he was to rule over her. She didn't even know she was naked til Adam took his first bite, yes or no? So does that show us the accountability held for the husband over his wife and family? And the 2 shall become one body.

Well one of the other guys on here said that he was right there with her and the snake and wonders why he didn't stop the event. I don't know. I always assumed (like most people I think) that Adam was off somewhere. But the Bible doesn't really say, or I am not seeing the verse that gave me that impression.

In retrospect, without finding a verse that says it clearly, I can only imagine coming to that conclusion because:
the snake spoke directly to Eve (which would be odd if Adam was standing right there, unless the snake was whispering in her ear)
and I guess I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't just stop the event if it were that plain...
Who knows though. that part where it says she gave to her husband with her...
Was he with her and they ate at about the same time, or does it mean with her in a different way. like she gave to her husband also... but...

Maybe she knew she was naked, but Adam who was still innocent, did not.
Or maybe the fruit needed some time to digest
you know, a day is as a thousand years, they ate the fruit which gave them energy they needed, went to the local library, studied anatomy and after a thousand years realized they were naked.

 

[SLB]

I have always wondered about the Genesis account...
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Then in Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
The prohibition against eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil is in
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Afterward in
Gen 2:21-23 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

I always wondered if Adam had more of an inside track with God than Eve did, or if that's the way Eve felt. God said don't eat of the tree. He didn't say, "don't touch it", He didn't say, "don't pick the fruit". He said, "don't eat it"
Yet in Eve reports God as saying, in Gen 3:3 "But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die."

Eve adds in, "don't touch it", so was that because God said, "don't touch it" or was Eve just being extra careful and saying "we can't eat it, we can't even touch it." Was she misrepresenting things because she knew what God said, or did she get it second hand from Adam and since she didn't get it directly from God she was trying to be extra cautious? Was Adam not present when she was tempted because he was off naming the animals? Was he taking on the burden of doing what God told him to do and leaving Eve out of the loop? Since her only purpose for existence was to be a help meet for Adam and Adam didn't seem to need any help at the moment, was she being left to fend for herself?

It almost looks like Eve was created to fail.

Thoughts? Comments?

 

[ewq1938]

Eve adds in, "don't touch it", so was that because God said, "don't touch it" or was Eve just being extra careful and saying "we can't eat it, we can't even touch it."

There is no reason to assume Eve "added" anything. We aren't privy to the conversation where Eve received the "rules".

 

[Grandpa2390]

I have always wondered about the Genesis account...
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Then in Gen 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
The prohibition against eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil is in
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Afterward in
Gen 2:21-23 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

I always wondered if Adam had more of an inside track with God than Eve did, or if that's the way Eve felt. God said don't eat of the tree. He didn't say, "don't touch it", He didn't say, "don't pick the fruit". He said, "don't eat it"
Yet in Eve reports God as saying, in Gen 3:3 "But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die."

Eve adds in, "don't touch it", so was that because God said, "don't touch it" or was Eve just being extra careful and saying "we can't eat it, we can't even touch it." Was she misrepresenting things because she knew what God said, or did she get it second hand from Adam and since she didn't get it directly from God she was trying to be extra cautious? Was Adam not present when she was tempted because he was off naming the animals? Was he taking on the burden of doing what God told him to do and leaving Eve out of the loop? Since her only purpose for existence was to be a help meet for Adam and Adam didn't seem to need any help at the moment, was she being left to fend for herself?

It almost looks like Eve was created to fail.

Thoughts? Comments?

first you need to look at Genesis 2 as a... more in depth account of the creation, particularly the sixth day. God created everything, and then on the sixth day he creates the garden for Adam and recreates everything in front of him so he can name it.

She got it second hand from Adam. The command was given to Adam and Adam was supposed to be the leader. He was supposed to be the Pastor. Apparently he did not do a good job. Whatever his thoughts were, and whatever he was doing at the time, he did not do what he was supposed to.
What's worse is that even after Eve fell, he ate also, knowing full well that he was disobeying God.

That doesn't mean that Eve still wouldn't have fallen. He could have stood over her all day and night and she still could have eaten a bit of fruit if she really wanted to... But he still failed at his responsibility because if nothing else, he submitted to her will rather than God's.

 

[SLB]

first you need to look at Genesis 2 as a... more in depth account of the creation, particularly the sixth day. God created everything, and then on the sixth day he creates the garden for Adam and recreates everything in front of him so he can name it.

She got it second hand from Adam. The command was given to Adam and Adam was supposed to be the leader. He was supposed to be the Pastor. Apparently he did not do a good job. Whatever his thoughts were, and whatever he was doing at the time, he did not do what he was supposed to.
What's worse is that even after Eve fell, he ate also, knowing full well that he was disobeying God.

That doesn't mean that Eve still wouldn't have fallen. He could have stood over her all day and night and she still could have eaten a bit of fruit if she really wanted to... But he still failed at his responsibility because if nothing else, he submitted to her will rather than God's.

Absolutely. Eve was tempted, but Adam sinned deliberately and knowingly. Whatever it was that they were clothed in, and it has been variously, suggested that they were clothed in glory or in light, but whatever they were clothed in, it disappeared when they sinned. Adam must have been able to see it's effect on Eve and yet he ate the fruit anyway. Possibly because he was afraid of being alone.

 

[Jesus_is_Saint]

I believed when the snake spoke to Eve, Adam was not there.

 

[Grandpa2390]

Absolutely. Eve was tempted, but Adam sinned deliberately and knowingly.

I said that.

Whatever it was that they were clothed in, and it has been variously, suggested that they were clothed in glory or in light, but whatever they were clothed in, it disappeared when they sinned. Adam must have been able to see it's effect on Eve and yet he ate the fruit anyway. Possibly because he was afraid of being alone.

I don't know. It is entirely possible that they were naked all along, and they just didn't know what naked means...

We don't know if he had been able to see it's effect on Eve. It is possible he was right there nearby. If not, still being innocent, he would have known she was naked. She would have known he was.
Regardless of the semantics, the fact remains that he knew it was the fruit God had forbade them to eat. But he submitted himself to Eve's will and ate it anyway.

I believed when the snake spoke to Eve, Adam was not there.

I think most people do. Myself included. but that view has been called into question. I can't exactly defend either position. Without any scriptural evidence for either, we can only guess. But what we do know is enough.

 

[Jesus_is_Saint]

Why God first made humans in naked form?
Were their body's temperature 36.9 Celsius?

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

Eve wasn't created yet. even so, it was still Adam's ordained responsibility to look after her and be the leader. He failed.

I heard it interpreted that Eve's sin was being the first feminist. She usurped the role of Adam. It is a curse that has plagued women ever since.

So if Eve went over Adams head and but the apple, why is that Adams fault? You can't force someone not to do something. And they had free will at that time. Though blaming Adam does sound like something a feminist would say, always the man fault. So maybe there is some truth to it then. Some women are not good at letting the man lead them. Which comes back down to it being Eves fault. Back to square one lol.

 

[Grandpa2390]

So if Eve went over Adams head and but the apple, why is that Adams fault? You can't force someone not to do something. And they had free will at that time. Though blaming Adam does sound like something a feminist would say, always the man fault. So maybe there is some truth to it then. Some women are not good at letting the man lead them. Which comes back down to it being Eves fault. Back to square one lol.

I already addressed this. Adam is not clean here. He was responsible for Eve. We don't know all the ends and outs of what happened. But one could ask a few questions like:

why did Eve misquote the one commandment from God... was she dumb, or did Adam not teach her properly. and so forth.

But at the same time, I said even if Adam stood over her the 24/7, she could still eat the fruit of the tree if she wanted to. I mean, unless he chained her to a different tree or something... lol. but these were different times

They both have responsibility. In this regard.

But then there is the other aspect. I explained this in more detail in another post later on. We see that a large part of the sin committed (based on the curse and scriptures we read later on in the New Testament concerning responsibilities of women in the church/family/society/etc) was that Eve usurped the God-ordained order for man and woman. She took the lead.

Adam is not guiltless here, he submitted to her will and ate the fruit. He knew he was sinning. Eve may have been deceived, but Adam wasn't. Paul is pretty clear about this.
And this is reflected in the curse given. I don't feel like typing it again.

That passage has been interpreted in a variety of ways. But the thing is that this is supposed to be a negative passage. It is a curse. Everything up to that point was a curse. It is supposed to be divisive. God put enmity between Adam and ground, Eve and the snake, and so Eve and her husband.

Women don't have the same freedoms and opportunities men have enjoyed for thousands of years, and it is no surprise that men have taken advantage of and abused women through history. Men don't understand women very well (like you said), don't always love (or perhaps never love) their wives perfectly. Women can feel unfulfilled, and that is a part of the curse.

the word desire comes from an arabic root that means to seek control. So she will seek control over her husband and he will rule over her. That word means to dominate. So as the woman seeks to overthrow her husband and rule him, he will dominate her. And thus we get conflict in marriage.

Eve did this originally. Tried to convince Adam to do it her way, and he submitted to her will. So now, in the curse, is the promise that this disharmony will exist till the end. The wife will try to have her will, the husband will disagree and attempt to maintain his control. You get conflict.