Was or is YHWH, or the God that interacted with men in the OT 100% completely omniscient...?

[DrBubbaLove]

The God of Israel is Christ, God, the Son, while the God who has not and cannot be seen (except by and in and through the Son) is The Father God, is how I interpret that...

It's really not that complicated, their is only two possibilities, well, three, either The God of The OT was not 100% fully omniscient, but near to it, in which case it would be God, the Son... Or, he was 100% fully omniscient and was possibly the Father or The Son, or both, or all three....

And the third, if He was fully omniscient, then "why" does it seem that he might not have been, if he was...

No need to get all "theological" about it...

God Bless!

Praying for His Firm and Steady guidance in anyone's life that they may live in His Peace.
Want to say when I rely solely on my own reading and thoughts it is always much more difficult to understand. It is also more difficult when I had doubts or no firm convictions about some very basic points to ground my ability to read and comprehend without placing doubts on what little conviction I may have had about say, the Trinity for example. I had no real understanding or firm conviction on what One in Being and Three Persons meant - just some vague consent and concept of some words we might repeat in Church or often hear, which was me for most of my Christian life. So my ability to read and understand the Bible or someone's teachings on it was either confounded or unnecessarily complicated because the range of possible understandings quickly seems without limit.

Even now, when I do read something about or concerning Christian faith, whether it is Sacred Scripture or not and I start to feel like the Eunuch on the side of road I treat that moment like "how can I understand unless someone guides me". Turning to an internet forum to ask for that understanding would not be first choice. Especially when I am asking a group of people where the foundation element of their faith range greatly within the group and differ from my own. I would not expect to gain anything as far as my confusion over a way to view particular verses from relying on such a group of people. Even less so when my own mental capacity is at a point where I am suspect of it as well. So like the Eunuch I would appeal to someone who I trust does or should know to guide me. For a Catholic my resources in that regard are vast and my trust in that is a part of my faith. Other faiths have such resources as well.

So my advice, not that advice was actually what the OP sought, would be to at least stick to asking people one actually knew and felt trustworthy and whose foundation in something as fundamental as the Trinity is at least agreeable to one's own view, if indeed one has a firm view. If no firm view of the Trinity is absolutely held, then the problem is not with understanding these verses. The problem is not being able to frame those verses within a consistent, much less solid theological view that can be as fluid as the imagination.

One Being, Three Persons for example, does not mean three minds. So the idea one Person could be limited in Knowledge compared to another is perhaps a thought, but not one consistent with the idea of One Mind. Then when ask in what manner can a man that we say is also God, be said to not Know something, what are the possible understandings of that. Well, if we are solid on the idea He is both God and man, the idea that Person is not of One Mind and therefore full Knowledge is indeed a thought, but not one that is consistent with One Mind. That does not mean we can not imagine that thought, just that we have to reject that possibility as being inconsistent with our other beliefs about God.

 

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But, why would God ever be angry? Or be hurt? Or seem to surprised? Or change his mind? Or be or seem to be tempermental, or get irritated, or lose his patience...? If he was 100% completely omniscient...?

Can you have full and complete knowledge of something and yet still feel anger about it? God can still have anger towards sin even if He knows that such sin is going to happen. It is not wrong or abnormal to have a righteous anger. Do you think it is in conflict with God to be happy with something Abraham does in the moment even though God knows that this something is going to happen? Surely not. God knowing about what is going to happen and experiencing it in real time are two different things.

As for God changing His mind: That is not possible. God is going to do what He always is going to do according to His Word. His Word lets us know a little bit about how God behaves and what His values are. God cannot tolerate sin and God rewards those who are truly righteous. God's behavior will not change in this regard. For example: The Ninevites repented at the preaching of Jonah. When this happened God turned away from the Wrath or Judgment that He was originally planning to bring upon them. Did God not know? Surely not. God was merely reacting according to real time despite His Omniscience. If God did not do so, then it would make it appear like God was cold and indifferent to the way we behave.

As for God being surprised: Again, the Lord cannot be surprised by anything. He may at times act in such a way that may appear like He does not know like not appearing to know the location of Adam in the Garden, but the Lord speaks in such a way so as not to frighten or alarm those He cares about. He also speaks in such a way so as to get men to think about what He says, as well.


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[Neogaia777]

Re-posting...

 

[Neogaia777]

Can you have full and complete knowledge of something and yet still feel anger about it? God can still have anger towards sin even if He knows that such sin is going to happen. It is not wrong or abnormal to have a righteous anger. Do you think it is in conflict with God to be happy with something Abraham does in the moment even though God knows that this something is going to happen? Surely not. God knowing about what is going to happen and experiencing it in real time are two different things.

As for God changing His mind: That is not possible. God is going to do what He always is going to do according to His Word. His Word lets us know a little bit about how God behaves and what His values are. God cannot tolerate sin and God rewards those who are truly righteous. God's behavior will not change in this regard. For example: The Ninevites repented at the preaching of Jonah. When this happened God turned away from the Wrath or Judgment that He was originally planning to bring upon them. Did God not know? Surely not. God was merely reacting according to real time despite His Omniscience. If God did not do so, then it would make it appear like God was cold and indifferent to the way we behave.

As for God being surprised: Again, the Lord cannot be surprised by anything. He may at times act in such a way that may appear like He does not know like not appearing to know the location of Adam in the Garden, but the Lord speaks in such a way so as not to frighten or alarm those He cares about. He also speaks in such a way so as to get men to think about what He says, as well.


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If he were 100% omniscient, he (YHWH) would not have been surprised and would not have "genuinely" felt the way he felt, if he predestined everything and knew everything and where everyone and everything was going to be and go...

But, was kind of "putting on a show" for our benefit, if YHWH "is not" Christ, (is the Father and not the Son) and he is not, not 100% fully omniscient... If he was 100% fully omniscient he had to be kind of "putting on a show" for our ultimate benefit and betterment in the end...

The only reason he would have expressed the way he felt in a "not truly genuine" way is because it was necessary for us to think he felt that way for a higher better reason and purpose...

God Bless!

 

[ToBeLoved]

If he were 100% omniscient, he (YHWH) would not have been surprised and would not have "genuinely" felt the way he felt, if he predestined everything and knew everything and where everyone and everything was going to be and go...

But, was kind of "putting on a show" for our benefit, if YHWH "is not" Christ, (is the Father and not the Son) and he is not, not 100% fully omniscient... If he was 100% fully omniscient he had to be kind of "putting on a show" for our ultimate benefit and betterment in the end...

The only reason he would have expressed the way he felt in a "not truly genuine" way is because it was necessary for us to think he felt that way for a higher better reason and purpose...

God Bless!

Can I ask again why you do not think specifically that YHWH or Christ is not Omniscient? I think I may have lost the original idea of why you are questioning or what specifically you are questioning. Thanks.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Can you have full and complete knowledge of something and yet still feel anger about it? God can still have anger towards sin even if He knows that such sin is going to happen. It is not wrong or abnormal to have a righteous anger. Do you think it is in conflict with God to be happy with something Abraham does in the moment even though God knows that this something is going to happen? Surely not. God knowing about what is going to happen and experiencing it in real time are two different things.

As for God changing His mind: That is not possible. God is going to do what He always is going to do according to His Word. His Word lets us know a little bit about how God behaves and what His values are. God cannot tolerate sin and God rewards those who are truly righteous. God's behavior will not change in this regard. For example: The Ninevites repented at the preaching of Jonah. When this happened God turned away from the Wrath or Judgment that He was originally planning to bring upon them. Did God not know? Surely not. God was merely reacting according to real time despite His Omniscience. If God did not do so, then it would make it appear like God was cold and indifferent to the way we behave.

As for God being surprised: Again, the Lord cannot be surprised by anything. He may at times act in such a way that may appear like He does not know like not appearing to know the location of Adam in the Garden, but the Lord speaks in such a way so as not to frighten or alarm those He cares about. He also speaks in such a way so as to get men to think about what He says, as well.


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I think though that God can choose to grant grace and mercy in some situations. I think a good example is prayer. Moses prayed for His people and God did cut some slack to the Israelite's because of Moses pleading on their behalf.

 

[Neogaia777]

Can I ask again why you do not think specifically that YHWH or Christ is not Omniscient? I think I may have lost the original idea of why you are questioning or what specifically you are questioning. Thanks.

YHWH's omniscience doesn't jive with his behavior...

If YHWH is omniscient, it doesn't seem like he is... And, I want to know "why" that is...?

YHWH is either the Son, or the Father, and I want to which...

Or the Father working through the Son, but the Son not knowing as much as the Father and learning, since we see this in the OT reflected in the New, The Son had to learn that the Father, his Father was orchestrating all his actions, that "God", The Father was working all things out for their good and to and for his, and both of their glory, in the end...

God Bless!

 

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If he were 100% omniscient, he (YHWH) would not have been surprised and would not have "genuinely" felt the way he felt, if he predestined everything and knew everything and where everyone and everything was going to be and go...

But, was kind of "putting on a show" for our benefit, if YHWH "is not" Christ, (is the Father and not the Son) and he is not, not 100% fully omniscient... If he was 100% fully omniscient he had to be kind of "putting on a show" for our ultimate benefit and betterment in the end...

The only reason he would have expressed the way he felt in a "not truly genuine" way is because it was necessary for us to think he felt that way for a higher better reason and purpose...

God Bless!

Again, I disagree. Say you had a vision or dream of a man hurting a woman you care about. Does your living or experience that event in real time (from that vision) change your feelings towards the injustice that is happening in the moment (just because you seen it ahead of time)? I sure hope not. In other words, say you seen somebody you care about get killed. Let's say you went thru some kind of time loop trying to prevent that horrible event from happening. Does reliving that event countless times make you feel any less for that person and the injustice that is taking place? If you really loved them, you would feel love for them and anger at the injustice that is happening to them every time.

Also, the Scriptures say there is no counsel that you can make against God (Proverbs 21:30). In other words, you are trying to put God on trial here. That never really works out all that well for anyone. Even when you do not understand God's behavior in relation to His Omniscience (from your limited reasoning), you are not God to truly have all knowledge to know if you are truly right. In other words, we have to believe God's Word even if it may not make sense to us always. For God's ways are higher than our ways.

Also, "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." ~ Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

It seems highly unlikely about what we know about God that He would just put on a show of false emotions for our benefit. God does not seem like a pretender to me. God is genuine and real in what He does. For if somebody you knew put on a false sense of emotion, you would think that something was wrong with them. I do not believe God would have to lie about His own emotions. I believe God feels the way He does genuinely because God is holy, pure, just, and good in all He does. if God appeared to put on a show of emotions it would seem like He was not being truthful with us.

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I think though that God can choose to grant grace and mercy in some situations. I think a good example is prayer. Moses prayed for His people and God did cut some slack to the Israelite's because of Moses pleading on their behalf.

But this is not a surprise for God and nor is it something that would be against His good character. When I say that God cannot change His mind I am saying that He cannot change in regards to His goodness according to His Word. God cannot change in what He knows is going to happen. In other words, while it may appear that God changes from our perspective, in reality God does not change. God is always faithful and good in every given situation. God always knows what is going to happen. Nothing surprises God that would change His mind (of what He was going to do originally).

When God interacts with us, He does so in relation to the moment because we live in the moment. God only changes from our perspective but God Himself never really changes. His love, goodness, and Omniscience is from everlasting to everlasting.


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[ToBeLoved]

YHWH's omniscience doesn't jive with his behavior...

If YHWH is omniscient, it doesn't seem like he is... And, I want to know "why" that is...?

YHWH is either the Son, or the Father, and I want to which...

Or the Father working through the Son, but the Son not knowing as much as the Father and learning, since we see this in the OT reflected in the New, The Son had to learn that the Father, his Father was orchestrating all his actions, that "God", The Father was working all things out for their good and to and for his, and both of their glory, in the end...

God Bless!

Well since you have no concrete proof of what you are speaking of I will have to say that I do not see what you see at all. Maybe you are thinking something is there because you do not understand, I really don't know. Anyway, be blessed.

How is or does any human being that has not even stood before God going to determine what and who God is and who God is not. That seems very troubling to me that you would say something like that.


I don't know what you consider 'the Father working out all actions for the Son' to be. Christ said that everything He learned is what He saw His Father do. But that doesn't sound like it limits Christ, that would only show that they are truly one and Truth is truth no matter who says it. So I guess that part I do not understand either.

The only thing the Son does not know is the day that He is coming back to earth. But so what? What significance is there in that anyway? That to me means not a thing nor does it lessen Christ's role. The Father has given the Son all created in heaven and earth. How you see that as limiting or being limited is beyond me. That shows that all the power the Father has, He has willingly and completely extended to the Son. That shows their unity, not a issue between them or a power struggle.

 

[Neogaia777]

Again, I disagree. Say you had a vision or dream of a man hurting a woman you care about. Does your living or experience that event in real time (from that vision) change your feelings towards the injustice that is happening in the moment (just because you seen it ahead of time)? I sure hope not. In other words, say you seen somebody you care about get killed. Let's say you went thru some kind of time loop trying to prevent that horrible event from happening. Does reliving that event countless times make you feel any less for that person and the injustice that is taking place? If you really loved them, you would feel love for them and anger at the injustice that is happening to them every time.

Also, the Scriptures say there is no counsel that you can make against God (Proverbs 21:30). In other words, you are trying to put God on trial here. That never really works out all that well for anyone. Even when you do not understand God's behavior in relation to His Omniscience (from your limited reasoning), you are not God to truly have all knowledge to know if you are truly right. In other words, we have to believe God's Word even if it may not make sense to us always. For God's ways are higher than our ways.

Also, "Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." ~ Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

It seems highly unlikely about what we know about God that He would just put on a show of false emotions for our benefit. God does not seem like a pretender to me. God is genuine and real in what He does. For if somebody you knew put on a false sense of emotion, you would think that something was wrong with them. I do not believe God would have to lie about His own emotions. I believe God feels the way He does genuinely because God is holy, pure, just, and good in all He does. if God appeared to put on a show of emotions it would seem like He was not being truthful with us.

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If God had already predestined for that woman to get hurt to a point, and then it stop, and made more good come out of it in the end, then would have been so otherwise... then...?

God does not exist, not that he doesn't exist, but he is not a part of real time, like us...

Your not thinking in omniscient outside of time way...?

If God predestined all from the very beginning, even the bad, for the ultimate good, there would be no need for that God to interfere of intervene at all with anything, he already having made it all for ultimate good in the end...

I'm not putting God on trial here either, just seeking to know the Father's heart is my only goal...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

If God had already predestined for that woman to get hurt to a point, and then it stop, and made more good come out of it in the end, then would have been so otherwise... then...?

God does not exist, not that he doesn't exist, but he is not a part of real time, like us...

Your not thinking in omniscient outside of time way...?

If God predestined all from the very beginning, even the bad, for the ultimate good, there would be no need for that God to interfere of intervene at all with anything, he already having made it all for ultimate good in the end...

I'm not putting God on trial here either, just seeking to know the Father's heart is my only goal...

God Bless!

I feel like I'm not getting through to most of you...?

I'm asking you all to put your omniscient thinking caps on and consider what I have been saying...?

Is anyone out there understanding what I'm saying...?

God Bless!

 

[ToBeLoved]

I feel like I'm not getting through to most of you...?

I'm asking you all to put your omniscient thinking caps on and consider what I have been saying...?

Is anyone out there understanding what I'm saying...?

God Bless!

Because I feel you are assigning attributes to God that God does not say that He has. We can 'create our own God' in our minds, but that doesn't change who God is, what we have done is change our perception of who God is. God is who He is and remains that way.

So what you are thinking I'm not sure you have clearly communicated out, what you have used is the word Omniscient. What is your definition of that word, maybe that will help.

 

[Neogaia777]

Because I feel you are assigning attributes to God that God does not say that He has. We can 'create our own God' in our minds, but that doesn't change who God is, what we have done is change our perception of who God is. God is who He is and remains that way.

So what you are thinking I'm not sure you have clearly communicated out, what you have used is the word Omniscient. What is your definition of that word, maybe that will help.

Simple "all-knowing" or knowing "all" (ahead of time, from the moment of creation onward)... An 100% omniscient being, would not need to interfere or intervene at all... And definitely wouldn't need to behave or have the kind of character YHWH does... This is why I think YHWH was/is God, the Son... (However maybe the Father and the Son's "character" or personality is the same, but not their behavior or actions) (explained below, in showing us the Father's heart)

His omnipresence nor his omnipotence is not the issue, but YHWH's omniscience is only...

In John, it is stated that, God the Son, was God from the beginning, but is not the Father specifically, but that, the Father was there with him also, (along with the H.S. of course, as well)...

I would say that if you believe John's gospel, there can be no other conclusion, from it, that YHWH is God, the Son...

However it was up to God, the Son to "show us the Father's heart" by him, that there feelings and emotions are the same, but perhaps not actions...

It is my belief that the Father alone predestined "all" including his own Son, as our God...

God Bless!

 

[ToBeLoved]

Simple "all-knowing" or knowing "all" (ahead of time, from the moment of creation onward)... An 100% omniscient being, would not need to interfere or intervene at all... And definitely wouldn't need to behave or have the kind of character YHWH does... This is why I think YHWH was/is God, the Son... (However maybe the Father and the Son's "character" or personality is the same, but not their behavior or actions) (explained below, in showing us the Father's heart)

Wow. This is quite shocking. Particularly the part of the behavior and character YHWH does.

The second point, very briefly is that God's Word tells us God has a plan for us, His Children. And we are for the most part fine with it and are His servants. I don't know how or why God making us more like His Son through sanctifying us would somehow badly reflect on God.

So in that case, we are giving our permission for God to direct our lives and for us to be His servants. IMHO, it is my choice. I can listen to and be obedient to God's Word and my consciece and the Holy Spirit, or I can choose to ignore it. So I think we always have our own power to walk away, if one desired, which I have no desire to be without God.

I would be very worried if God just did not interact with us at all or answer our prayers or be with us as He said "I will never leave you or forsake you". I really don't know what you think the "perfect" God would be if you could create Him. What would God look like if you could make Him what you wanted?

I'm not sure what that is or what you think He has done because you really don't give detailed specific answers, so if you could try to add a bit more detail I think I will get what you are saying easier.

Interesting perspective though. Have you opened all of your beliefs up to pray and Biblical study?

 

[Neogaia777]

The art of prediction and how it can be used by powers (principalities) (those in high positions of power and control) How the art of prediction can be used by "powers" to manipulate, control, and dominate (keep subdued or in subjection) those not in positions of power and control...

Conspiracy theories are everywhere, especially in this age, with the internet especially... Some say, (for example) that there was a conspiracy behind the 911 attacks involving our own government, in order and for the purposes of manipulating us somehow...

Some claim they can even "prove it"... But, if there was a conspiracy by our own government, they would have looked into all the problems involved in the people "finding out" and would have already planned, ahead of time, accordingly...

They already knew, (if it was, or is true), they could already predict that a minority might and probably would "find out" and try to inform and convince the rest of the public, and would have, already knew, or known, ahead of time, and could predict that the few that would find out, would basically get lost in all the rest of the "noise" or other conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists out there... And, would be unable to convince the public, (if it was or is true)...

For the sake of argument, let's say it was true... They had a certain amount of foresight or "omniscience" that gave/gives them "power"... And they still do have and some say some certain groups "have had" for a long time, a certain amount of omniscience, (by which they have been using to control and manipulate the world for a while now)... (But, it is limited, they can't predict all, as to manipulate "everything", but a great deal of it, maybe)...

Anyhow, They are doing it for selfish and self-serving, self-benefiting reasons and goals in mind, like our enemy does, he has a certain amount of omniscience, but is limited by man, and what only man knows or can know... Jesus, the Son of God, or YHWH, has more "omniscience" than that, perhaps that of what all angels know or something, but he uses it for good, not evil...

But, is it "limited" compared to the Father God, and is the Father God, the "only one", truly 100% completely "omniscient"... Not needing to interfere or intervene or try to control or manipulate everything or anything, being able to predict all from the very first act, or action taken, in the very beginning....

That's the question here...?

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

The art of prediction and how it can be used by powers (principalities) (those in high positions of power and control) How the art of prediction can be used by "powers" to manipulate, control, and dominate (keep subdued or in subjection) those not in positions of power and control...

Conspiracy theories are everywhere, especially in this age, with the internet especially... Some say, (for example) that there was a conspiracy behind the 911 attacks involving our own government, in order and for the purposes of manipulating us somehow...

Some claim they can even "prove it"... But, if there was a conspiracy by our own government, they would have looked into all the problems involved in the people "finding out" and would have already planned, ahead of time, accordingly...

They already knew, (if it was, or is true), they could already predict that a minority might and probably would "find out" and try to inform and convince the rest of the public, and would have, already knew, or known, ahead of time, and could predict that the few that would find out, would basically get lost in all the rest of the "noise" or other conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists out there... And, would be unable to convince the public, (if it was or is true)...

For the sake of argument, let's say it was true... They had a certain amount of foresight or "omniscience" that gave/gives them "power"... And they still do have and some say some certain groups "have had" for a long time, a certain amount of omniscience, (by which they have been using to control and manipulate the world for a while now)... (But, it is limited, they can't predict all, as to manipulate "everything", but a great deal of it, maybe)...

Anyhow, They are doing it for selfish and self-serving, self-benefiting reasons and goals in mind, like our enemy does, he has a certain amount of omniscience, but is limited by man, and what only man knows or can know... Jesus, the Son of God, or YHWH, has more "omniscience" than that, perhaps that of what all angels know or something, but he uses it for good, not evil...

But, is it "limited" compared to the Father God, and is the Father God, the "only one", truly 100% completely "omniscient"... Not needing to interfere or intervene or try to control or manipulate everything or anything, being able to predict all from the very first act, or action taken, in the very beginning....

That's the question here...?

God Bless!

With "One nation, under surveillance" nowadays they probably also know that they could keep close tabs on people that could become a potential threat to exposing them, and could assassinate them if and when they did, or do...

I think there is information by the real powers that be that are of man, that most president's were not, or not even privy too... I don't think the new world order will let Trump in, cause he would try to expose them, and they would have to arrange to have him assassinated (by blaming it on someone else, or some other group) if he did, or was going too...

Anyhow, just wanted to add that...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

The art of prediction and how it can be used by powers (principalities) (those in high positions of power and control) How the art of prediction can be used by "powers" to manipulate, control, and dominate (keep subdued or in subjection) those not in positions of power and control...

Conspiracy theories are everywhere, especially in this age, with the internet especially... Some say, (for example) that there was a conspiracy behind the 911 attacks involving our own government, in order and for the purposes of manipulating us somehow...

Some claim they can even "prove it"... But, if there was a conspiracy by our own government, they would have looked into all the problems involved in the people "finding out" and would have already planned, ahead of time, accordingly...

They already knew, (if it was, or is true), they could already predict that a minority might and probably would "find out" and try to inform and convince the rest of the public, and would have, already knew, or known, ahead of time, and could predict that the few that would find out, would basically get lost in all the rest of the "noise" or other conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists out there... And, would be unable to convince the public, (if it was or is true)...

For the sake of argument, let's say it was true... They had a certain amount of foresight or "omniscience" that gave/gives them "power"... And they still do have and some say some certain groups "have had" for a long time, a certain amount of omniscience, (by which they have been using to control and manipulate the world for a while now)... (But, it is limited, they can't predict all, as to manipulate "everything", but a great deal of it, maybe)...

Anyhow, They are doing it for selfish and self-serving, self-benefiting reasons and goals in mind, like our enemy does, he has a certain amount of omniscience, but is limited by man, and what only man knows or can know... Jesus, the Son of God, or YHWH, has more "omniscience" than that, perhaps that of what all angels know or something, but he uses it for good, not evil...

But, is it "limited" compared to the Father God, and is the Father God, the "only one", truly 100% completely "omniscient"... Not needing to interfere or intervene or try to control or manipulate everything or anything, being able to predict all from the very first act, or action taken, in the very beginning....

That's the question here...?

God Bless!

With "One nation, under surveillance" nowadays they probably also know that they could keep close tabs on people that could become a potential threat to exposing them, and could assassinate them if and when they did, or do...

I think there is information by the real powers that be that are of man, that most president's were not, or not even privy too... I don't think the new world order will let Trump in, cause he would try to expose them, and they would have to arrange to have him assassinated (by blaming it on someone else, or some other group) if he did, or was going too...

Anyhow, just wanted to add that...

God Bless!

One good example of this kind of evil is in the Star Wars films, with Senator Palpatine, or Darth Sidious, or the Emperor, and all that he did in them, "Everything is going according to my design..." (laughing an evil, sidious laugh all the way)...

Creating a problem just to solve or fix it, but only making, and making absolutely sure only the "fixing" or "solving it" part was known by most, the public and public knowledge, so they would see him as some kind of "savior"...

Oh, how easily history can and does repeat itself... The rise of Antichrist, or many Antichrists throughout history, even told in fable, like Star Wars...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Re-posting...

 

[ToBeLoved]

If he were 100% omniscient, he (YHWH) would not have been surprised and would not have "genuinely" felt the way he felt, if he predestined everything and knew everything and where everyone and everything was going to be and go...

But, was kind of "putting on a show" for our benefit, if YHWH "is not" Christ, (is the Father and not the Son) and he is not, not 100% fully omniscient... If he was 100% fully omniscient he had to be kind of "putting on a show" for our ultimate benefit and betterment in the end...

The only reason he would have expressed the way he felt in a "not truly genuine" way is because it was necessary for us to think he felt that way for a higher better reason and purpose...

God Bless!

So you think the Creator of the universe is winging it?

He created all of the planets, the moons the stars and yet had no idea what will happen and is living life day by day like us? Now that to me seems so silly.

People do not realize that the more that they create a God like man, that they have a God like man, which would not be God.